Point of View January 7, 2025 – Hour 2 : Today’s Headlines

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Second hour today, I hope you appreciated the conversation we had with Dr. Andrew Wilson in the first hour, Remaking the World.

[00:00:25] It is something that I wanted to focus on. He's been doing a number of interviews over the last year and a half, and we have never had him on the program.

[00:00:33] We're able to get him by phone there in the United Kingdom to speak to that issue.

[00:00:38] And for those of you that maybe would like to listen to it again, of course, you can go to the website pointofview.net and watch or listen to it.

[00:00:46] And I'm gathering that Megan is going to put it in the Point of View highlights on Spotify.

[00:00:51] So again, there are some places where you can pick up some of that.

[00:00:54] I am so convinced that it has great material, might even make a booklet out of it to give you at least a little bit of a summary of what is there,

[00:01:03] because he is really helping us understand how many things came together.

[00:01:08] And the world that we find ourselves in today, in some respects, is very different than the world that preceded it.

[00:01:15] And so how we as Christians interact with the culture, how the church interacts with the culture is very important.

[00:01:22] And as we've said before, even though I probably will spend a fair amount of time in this second hour here talking about what you might call politics or government,

[00:01:30] or even we're going to focus on a lot of issues related to censorship.

[00:01:34] We have always said that culture is upstream from politics.

[00:01:39] Put another way, politics is downstream from culture and understanding where we are in our cultural moment is very essential and something we will continue to talk about.

[00:01:48] But let's get to a couple of issues.

[00:01:51] The first one is going to be fairly short, but it is just a reminder that, again, we need to have discernment.

[00:01:59] When politicians open their mouth, sometimes they're not the most honest people in the world.

[00:02:05] And so we need to be somewhat skeptical.

[00:02:08] And this is a piece by Noah Rothman, which has the very interesting title, Yes, You Did.

[00:02:13] Now, it's a picture of the current Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer, who is now going to not be the leader in terms of the Senate, but he's still the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate.

[00:02:25] So I think it's fair to still refer to him in that regard.

[00:02:28] But the Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer appeared very agitated, he said, when he was on NBC and they were asking the question on one of the Sunday talk shows about the whole issue of how he when when he was confronted last February.

[00:02:46] So that goes back almost a year ago.

[00:02:48] So he insisted that President Joe Biden was fine.

[00:02:53] Now, what I thought was so interesting is the response.

[00:02:58] He could have just said, I think he's fine or everything I've seen is fine.

[00:03:01] But no, had to go a little bit further.

[00:03:04] So the actual statement came because of the release that came from the special counsel Robert Hur's report, who said that, yes, it is really clear that Joe Biden is guilty of the manuscripts that he took.

[00:03:20] And as a result, he would actually be probably found guilty if he were, if you will, mentally able.

[00:03:29] But he would not be found guilty because he would be seen as an individual who was maybe not with all his mental acuity.

[00:03:37] And so as a result, that's where Chuck Schumer decided to cut loose and said all this right wing propaganda that his mental acuity is declining is wrong.

[00:03:50] What do you say to Americans who feel as though you and your top Democrats misled them about President Biden's mental acuity was the question from NBC.

[00:04:03] And he said, look, we didn't say that.

[00:04:06] OK, this is, I think, a chronic problem.

[00:04:10] And Noah Rothman points out how this is a problem most recently with some of the leaders in the Democratic Party.

[00:04:17] But it's been a problem for some time.

[00:04:19] There has always been the sense that any politician, Republican, Democrat, independent, oftentimes will say, no, you misheard that.

[00:04:28] But in an age where we have videotapes and an age when a lot of people have cell phones and actually can videotape things as well, there has been a reason, a reaction that sometimes that has been.

[00:04:41] Well, no, you misheard it.

[00:04:42] Well, no, we got it on videotape.

[00:04:44] No, I didn't say it.

[00:04:45] And be willing to look straight in the camera and to lie about something, even though they know that, you know, they're lying.

[00:04:53] But lying never the kiss.

[00:04:55] And this is where Noah Rothman says, wait a minute.

[00:04:58] You did.

[00:04:58] We just saw the clip.

[00:04:59] There is no ambiguity in the statement.

[00:05:01] The senator did not hedge or evade the subject.

[00:05:04] With the utmost authority and confidence, Chuck Schumer insisted that the 62 percent of voters who at that time told pollsters that they did not think Joe Biden had the necessary mental and physical health to be present for a second term,

[00:05:18] they'd all been bamboozled because of the right wing disinformation machine.

[00:05:27] In a few minutes, we're going to get into the whole censorship machine.

[00:05:30] But this is what was being argued.

[00:05:33] And then just to remind you, Noah Rothman goes through a long list.

[00:05:37] Let me just read a few.

[00:05:38] Nancy Pelosi told us that Joe Biden is always on the ball.

[00:05:44] You had the vice president, Kamala Harris, say the way that the president's demeanor in that report is characterized could not be more wrong on the facts.

[00:05:52] Again, disagreeing with the report by Robert Herr.

[00:05:56] And then you had a variety of other individuals.

[00:05:59] I'll pick two more.

[00:05:59] Two senators.

[00:06:00] The Virginia senator, Tim Kaine.

[00:06:02] What you have is a grandstander, not a prosecutor, because Biden is vigorously engaged with his work.

[00:06:10] And then you have the Minnesota senator, Tim Smith.

[00:06:13] Joe Biden is at the very top of his game all the way through it, both in private and in person.

[00:06:20] Now, I guess they felt they had to say that.

[00:06:23] But even just a little bit of, well, you know, some people have a good day or a bad day.

[00:06:28] Or, you know, gosh, you might have caught him at a moment where he was thinking about something else.

[00:06:33] You could have come up with something else other than to say he's at the top of the game.

[00:06:38] He's as sharp as a tack.

[00:06:40] And as a result, in some respects, this has really hurt the standing of the Democratic Party.

[00:06:48] And Noah Rothman ends with this.

[00:06:50] Whoever it was that told Democrats that they were great liars has done this party a world of harm.

[00:06:56] The party soon to be out of power appears addicted to the notion that it can reshape our reality through the power of rhetoric,

[00:07:05] all evidence to the contrary, notwithstanding.

[00:07:09] He says the delusion serves only to convince Democrats that they will suffer no penalties for the promulgation of untruths.

[00:07:16] The only people they're fooling are themselves.

[00:07:19] Part of the problem is that up until fairly recently, you could depend on the legacy media to actually not ask follow-up questions.

[00:07:29] But this response from Sunday to NBC News' Kristen Welker is an illustration that the mainstream media can only go along with it for so long

[00:07:41] before they recognize they lose their credibility as well.

[00:07:45] And now the tough questions that weren't being asked a year ago at this time, or even 11 months ago at this time, are now starting to be asked.

[00:07:55] And I think it is striking that the head of the Democratic Party in the U.S. Senate felt that it was better to simply say,

[00:08:04] I didn't say that, and you are actually, if anything, one more log or one more link,

[00:08:13] one more particular cog, if you will, in the, if you will, right-wing disinformation machine.

[00:08:22] I think the American people saw through that in the election, and I think they're going to see through it.

[00:08:28] And the quicker maybe somebody sends out a memo that says, maybe it's just better to say, yep, we missed that,

[00:08:35] or maybe we didn't catch it, or we should have said more in the past.

[00:08:39] I think you're going to maybe regain some trust.

[00:08:42] But right now, you're seeing is pretty untrustworthy.

[00:08:46] We'll take a break.

[00:08:47] Come back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] More than a year ago, I talked about the phenomenon of debanking.

[00:09:07] This occurs when an individual is denied banking services because of their political stance or business venture.

[00:09:13] At the time, I talked about Nigel Farage, who lost access to banking services in the U.K.,

[00:09:19] which he believed was due to his previous involvement in Brexit.

[00:09:22] Also talked about Dr. Joseph Mercola, who was informed that his business bank accounts,

[00:09:28] along with the bank accounts of his family members, were all closed.

[00:09:31] He believed this was because of his previous statements about the COVID vaccine.

[00:09:35] The allegation of debanking has been given more prominence due to an interview Joe Rogan did with Mark Andreessen,

[00:09:42] who is in the tech industry and best known as the co-founder of Netscape.

[00:09:45] In the interview, he says he knows 30 tech company founders who have been debanked within the past four years.

[00:09:52] His claim set off a flood of anecdotes from other social media users complaining they also lost access to their accounts.

[00:09:59] Add to this the claim from Melania Trump, who wrote in her memoir that her longtime bank closed her account.

[00:10:05] It also refused to open an account for her teenage son, Barron, who was just in high school at the time.

[00:10:11] The Office of the Comptroller of Currency denies that it directs banks to open or close bank accounts,

[00:10:16] but it is worth remembering that years ago the Department of Justice began a program,

[00:10:21] known as Operation Choke Point, with banks to fight fraud.

[00:10:24] But the program apparently was also used to hurt legal businesses like gun sellers the administration didn't like.

[00:10:30] The incoming administration will no doubt investigate the issue of debanking,

[00:10:35] and I predict that they will discover there was validity to many of these allegations.

[00:10:39] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

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[00:11:04] Back once again, the theme for the next couple of minutes is the issue of censorship,

[00:11:07] censorship, and it is a good illustration of how sometimes there's a theme that sort of runs through a couple of news cycles,

[00:11:15] and as a result, it seems like every time we turn around, we're talking about the same issue,

[00:11:21] and here's a classic example.

[00:11:23] My commentary today deals with the issue of debanking.

[00:11:26] We'll get to that in just a minute.

[00:11:27] There is a statement that Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook, now called Meta, has made about censorship.

[00:11:35] And then, as we announced yesterday, Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada, is stepping down,

[00:11:41] and that has caused Jonathan Turley, who I mentioned yesterday, who has written an excellent book,

[00:11:47] The Indispensable Right, Free Speech in an Age of Rage,

[00:11:51] to write about whether or not Canadians can get their free speech back.

[00:11:56] Once again, I offered this yesterday, this booklet that came out in November.

[00:12:00] We send this to our donors, so if you're a donor, you probably already have received it.

[00:12:04] If you give a dollar a day, $30 a month, you receive not only the Outlook magazine, but these booklets,

[00:12:09] and this one was on the subject of censorship.

[00:12:12] I offered it free to anybody who would like to get it.

[00:12:14] I noticed on the printer, somebody's name and address is there,

[00:12:17] so obviously we're going to be sending it out to at least one individual, and maybe some others.

[00:12:21] I didn't even check the number.

[00:12:22] But if you would like to get a copy of it, it came out in November,

[00:12:26] it's an illustration that this is kind of the theme of the moment.

[00:12:30] Even though we wrote this in November, in January, it surfaces time and time again.

[00:12:36] So let me come, first of all, to Jonathan Turley, as I've mentioned before,

[00:12:40] an individual who would describe himself as left of center,

[00:12:43] but has certainly become a champion of free speech.

[00:12:46] And he said, with Justin Trudeau's announcement that he will step down as prime minister,

[00:12:51] Canada is now looking for a new leader, I think I knew who that might be,

[00:12:55] after a decade under his policies.

[00:12:57] The question is whether anyone will look for the remnants of Canadian free speech

[00:13:02] in the wreckage of the Trudeau government.

[00:13:05] He says, in my book, good opportunity to promote it once again,

[00:13:09] The Indispensable Right, Free Speech in an Age of Rage,

[00:13:12] I write about the collapse of free speech in Canada under Justin Trudeau.

[00:13:17] He points out that in Canada, having traveled there many times,

[00:13:22] really influenced by both the United Kingdom and the United States.

[00:13:27] So Canada has a little bit, if you will, the political DNA of both nations.

[00:13:31] But in many ways, Canada has become, as he calls it, a cautionary tale for many of us in the United States,

[00:13:40] because some of the same voices of censorship and criminalization are actually found on our campuses

[00:13:48] and even in Congress.

[00:13:50] So just a couple of examples.

[00:13:52] First of all, Justin Trudeau shows how speech codes and virtual signaling are now chic on the left.

[00:13:59] He points out that in a town hall event, Justin Trudeau chastised a woman for asking a question

[00:14:06] that used the term mankind and instructed, we like to say, people kind.

[00:14:13] Okay, we've seen this before because it's more inclusive.

[00:14:16] He later claimed he was joking, but it's hard to see where the punchline is or whether it was a joke.

[00:14:20] But again, you've seen probably the best example, which I use in this booklet and have used in other commentaries,

[00:14:28] what has happened when you had the crackdown that came from Canada on the trucker protest

[00:14:35] who were opposing some of the COVID-19 mandates back in 2022.

[00:14:40] This, by the way, was a campaign that was supported by the media there in Canada

[00:14:46] and, frankly, by some even here in the United States.

[00:14:50] Justin Trudeau invoked what was called the 1988 Emergencies Act for the first time

[00:14:56] and was able to freeze bank accounts of truckers and contributions by other Canadian citizens,

[00:15:02] which gets me to my commentary, we'll get to in just a few minutes, on the whole issue of debanking.

[00:15:08] But we'll, first of all, talk about that as well.

[00:15:10] And the point that then Jonathan Turley makes is that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[00:15:18] He points out that his father, Pierre Trudeau, also was very guilty of wanting to stifle any kind of free speech.

[00:15:27] Pierre Trudeau was criticized for his anti-free speech policies

[00:15:32] in which he tried to amend the Criminal Code and Canadian Human Rights Act

[00:15:37] to criminalize any communication that expresses detestation or vilification of an individual or group of individuals

[00:15:45] on the basis of prohibited ground of discrimination.

[00:15:49] And, of course, under Trudeau, human rights commissions found that, if nothing else,

[00:15:54] we actually had virtual speech commissars, he says.

[00:15:58] Here's a good example from a recent time.

[00:16:02] A Canadian mayor in a town, so the mayor and the town were prosecuted

[00:16:09] because they did not hoist an LGBTQ2 rainbow flag in celebration of Pride Month,

[00:16:18] even though the town did not have a flagpole, which I think illustrates the example.

[00:16:24] And, of course, even despite the attacks on, like, the Canadian truckers, on this mayor and the town,

[00:16:33] recently the Canadian Parliament extended Justin Trudeau's emergency powers,

[00:16:39] which would allow him to continue to harass and even threaten those who hold to, essentially,

[00:16:46] views he would disagree with, primarily right-wing views.

[00:16:49] The other interesting irony of this is that a very interesting set of circumstances unfolded

[00:16:58] over this Russian dissident, Maria Kartasheva.

[00:17:03] Now, you've got to understand that she is Russian and wanted to actually become a citizen of Canada

[00:17:11] because she was left Russia because they were going to convict her

[00:17:17] and then eventually tried her in absentia by a judge who sanctioned her for free speech in Russia

[00:17:26] because she is, are you ready for this?

[00:17:28] She was critical of the Ukrainian war.

[00:17:31] So, here you have a Russian citizen who has left Russia but was tried in absentia

[00:17:38] because she was using her, quote, free speech to criticize the Ukrainian war.

[00:17:44] And the Canadian government then said,

[00:17:48] we cannot let you become a citizen because your conviction in Russia

[00:17:54] aligns with the Canadian criminal code offense,

[00:17:58] which relates to false information in Canada.

[00:18:01] You almost can't make this up.

[00:18:04] But this is the world that we find ourselves in as well.

[00:18:07] And, again, let me come back to Jonathan Turley who says,

[00:18:12] look, think about it.

[00:18:13] Canada was concerned because she violated anti-free speech laws that are similar to its own.

[00:18:21] The Russians convicted her of disseminating deliberately false information

[00:18:26] and Canada convicts people under laws like Section 372 of the Criminal Code of Canada

[00:18:33] for efforts to convey, cause, or procure to be conveyed false information

[00:18:39] with the intent to alarm or injure anyone.

[00:18:42] So, essentially, what the Canadian government was saying is,

[00:18:46] since we have laws very similar to what is happening in Russia,

[00:18:51] we see you as guilty, just as the Russian government sees you as guilty for doing what?

[00:18:57] For criticizing the Ukrainian war.

[00:19:00] So, if nothing else, I think it illustrates kind of the world that we find ourselves in

[00:19:06] and something that we need to address here in this country.

[00:19:10] Again, three cheers for Jonathan Turley,

[00:19:13] who, again, is the author of this book on free speech in an age of rage.

[00:19:18] And he says, what is so intriguing to him is that Justin Trudeau has really become,

[00:19:25] over these last few years, kind of the darling, he says, of the Canadian and American press,

[00:19:31] even while the disapproval rate of Justin Trudeau is now at 68% among Canadian citizens,

[00:19:39] which is why he chose not to run for re-election.

[00:19:42] And he says that the media clearly approves of his position,

[00:19:46] that freedom of expression is not without limits

[00:19:49] when others seek to arbitrarily or unnecessarily injure those

[00:19:53] with whom we are sharing a society and a planet.

[00:19:57] So, the question Jonathan Trudeau finally asks is this.

[00:20:02] Now that Trudeau is heading out,

[00:20:05] where do Canadians go to get their free speech back?

[00:20:09] I think it's a good question.

[00:20:11] Come back from the break, I want to point out that we are seeing a movement.

[00:20:15] It is amazing with not only the election of Donald Trump,

[00:20:20] but with the desire and then the ability of Elon Musk to buy Twitter, now called X,

[00:20:26] how that's changed the way in which some social media are reacting,

[00:20:31] including an incredible statement from Mark Zuckerberg yesterday.

[00:20:34] So, we'll get to that, as well as my commentary on debanking,

[00:20:38] which is still part of the theme of censorship.

[00:20:41] But just before we take a break, let me mention, as I have the last couple of days,

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[00:21:28] We'll be right back.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again, if you'd like to join us, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:23:17] Since we're talking about censorship for a few more minutes,

[00:23:19] let's see if we can at least mention that Mark Zuckerberg,

[00:23:22] okay, I don't know if he's had one of the great conversions of the 21st century or not,

[00:23:28] but whether he believes all of it or not,

[00:23:32] it is, I think, a good illustration of something I say maybe a little too often.

[00:23:36] Common sense is breaking out all over the place,

[00:23:39] and common sense about free speech is breaking out,

[00:23:43] and it's illustrated by this statement by the CEO of Meta,

[00:23:47] which owns Facebook and Instagram.

[00:23:49] The CEO is Mark Zuckerberg.

[00:23:52] And I posted this piece because I thought it might be,

[00:23:56] I guess we didn't post it because it's actually short,

[00:23:59] but you can find it very easily.

[00:24:01] Charlie Cook, who oftentimes we quote, says,

[00:24:04] look, even if Mark Zuckerberg doesn't believe everything he just said,

[00:24:09] even if he believes or even means half of it,

[00:24:12] this may be a very significant illustration of a genuine shift

[00:24:18] in how Silicon Valley regards free speech,

[00:24:22] dissent and pluralism.

[00:24:24] If you go back to one of our booklets many years ago on social media,

[00:24:29] half of it was on social media censorship.

[00:24:32] I just mentioned a minute ago,

[00:24:33] of course,

[00:24:33] we produced a new booklet on censorship,

[00:24:37] but here is what's so interesting.

[00:24:40] Mark Zuckerberg,

[00:24:41] again,

[00:24:42] the CEO of Meta,

[00:24:43] and they own Facebook and Instagram.

[00:24:45] Facebook could be most affected by this,

[00:24:47] said that they will end its fact-checking program with their trusted partners,

[00:24:52] and they will replace it with what is called a community-driven system,

[00:24:57] very similar to what you have on X,

[00:25:00] formerly known as Twitter.

[00:25:02] Now,

[00:25:03] how he's going to do this is also,

[00:25:06] I think,

[00:25:06] as intriguing as what he said,

[00:25:09] because in his address,

[00:25:12] Mark Zuckerberg announced that his moderation teams would be moved from,

[00:25:16] are you ready for this?

[00:25:17] from California to Texas.

[00:25:21] Again,

[00:25:21] tomorrow we're going to have a booklet on the so-called left coast,

[00:25:25] and of course we'll be talking about California primarily,

[00:25:28] but here it's interesting.

[00:25:29] He recognizes that if anything,

[00:25:33] maybe it would be good for us to get out of the bubble,

[00:25:37] and we have talked about this before.

[00:25:38] I've done commentaries on the idea of a bubble.

[00:25:42] There are certain ways that social scientists have really begun to figure out

[00:25:47] how to isolate whether or not an individual is interacting with their

[00:25:52] culture at large,

[00:25:53] or whether they are in a self-reinforcing bubble or silo.

[00:25:58] One of those bubbles,

[00:26:00] no surprise,

[00:26:01] is Silicon Valley.

[00:26:02] And so the fact that he's talking about moving his moderation team from

[00:26:07] California to Texas,

[00:26:09] more importantly,

[00:26:10] from Silicon Valley.

[00:26:11] Now,

[00:26:11] if he moves them to Austin,

[00:26:12] Texas,

[00:26:13] I hate to say it,

[00:26:13] it's going to be very similar,

[00:26:15] but maybe we'll see where this goes.

[00:26:17] But even so here,

[00:26:19] he talks about some of the rules.

[00:26:21] He mentioned immigration and gender as two topics,

[00:26:25] which those who enforce the Meta's rules have proven to be really out of

[00:26:30] touch with the American people.

[00:26:33] Mark Zuckerberg also suggested,

[00:26:36] quote,

[00:26:36] this is his quote,

[00:26:37] the recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again

[00:26:43] prioritizing speech,

[00:26:45] unquote.

[00:26:46] Matter of fact,

[00:26:47] he also goes on to distinguish between social media and legacy media.

[00:26:51] Well,

[00:26:52] here's what Charlie Cook had to say.

[00:26:54] These are no weasel words,

[00:26:57] nor can Mark Zuckerberg wriggle out of them without his reversal being obvious.

[00:27:03] In essence,

[00:27:04] Zuckerberg just told his company and his peers that they're living in a censorious

[00:27:08] bubble and that they are at serious risk of becoming exiles in a country they

[00:27:15] supposedly serve.

[00:27:17] So,

[00:27:18] again,

[00:27:19] you may not see a lot of press about Mark Zuckerberg,

[00:27:23] but I thought it was worth mentioning.

[00:27:26] And,

[00:27:27] again,

[00:27:27] he doesn't change the fact that even if he doesn't believe all of it,

[00:27:32] at least he's feeling the pressure to try to respond.

[00:27:37] And so,

[00:27:38] in some respects,

[00:27:39] that may be worth itself.

[00:27:42] How much does he believe?

[00:27:43] Well,

[00:27:44] we can maybe take him at his word and say he believes that that is all that he

[00:27:49] really does believe.

[00:27:51] But even if he doesn't,

[00:27:52] the fact that he felt that he had to say it yesterday,

[00:27:56] I think,

[00:27:57] makes this very significant and just an illustration,

[00:28:01] again,

[00:28:01] of what is going on,

[00:28:03] which sets me up now for my commentary.

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[00:28:19] We have it posted right now on debanking.

[00:28:22] Now,

[00:28:23] what is debanking?

[00:28:24] Well,

[00:28:24] this is another aspect of censorship,

[00:28:26] but probably a more extreme type.

[00:28:29] Debanking occurs when an individual is denied services.

[00:28:34] These would be banking services because of their political stance or because they are

[00:28:39] engaged in something is a business venture,

[00:28:42] which we disagree with.

[00:28:44] When I wrote about this more than a year ago,

[00:28:47] the story I told was about Nigel Farage,

[00:28:50] who lost access to banking services in the UK.

[00:28:54] And it's pretty obvious that was due to his previous involvement in Brexit.

[00:28:59] I also talked at the time about Dr.

[00:29:02] Joseph Mercola,

[00:29:03] who of course was somebody who was critical of some of the COVID state,

[00:29:09] COVID procedures and all of that.

[00:29:12] And he was informed.

[00:29:13] This was pretty bad that his personal bank account,

[00:29:16] his business bank account,

[00:29:17] and the bank accounts of all of his family were all going to be closed.

[00:29:21] And it's pretty obvious that had to do with the fact that he took some stands on

[00:29:25] the virus and the vaccine that people didn't like.

[00:29:29] Well,

[00:29:30] this debanking gained a new prominence due to an interview that Mark Andreessen did with Joe Rogan.

[00:29:37] And Mark Andreessen,

[00:29:39] if you're not familiar with him,

[00:29:41] he's been very much involved in the tech industry,

[00:29:45] very well known in Silicon Valley,

[00:29:47] probably best known being the co-founder of Netscape,

[00:29:50] but also was involved early on in Bitcoin and a variety of other things,

[00:29:54] and has been really much involved in the Silicon Valley culture.

[00:29:59] And in the interview that he did with Joe Rogan,

[00:30:02] Mark Andreessen said he knew of 30 tech company founders

[00:30:06] who had been debanked within the past four years.

[00:30:10] Of course,

[00:30:11] you also saw the demise of Silicon Valley Bank,

[00:30:14] and we'll get into that.

[00:30:15] And interesting enough,

[00:30:17] once that came out on the Joe Rogan podcast,

[00:30:21] I think it was interesting that then all sorts of other people began to write in,

[00:30:28] post,

[00:30:28] and say they had had other problems,

[00:30:30] other social media users complained that they also lost access to their accounts.

[00:30:37] Well,

[00:30:37] then you have to add to this the claim from Melania Trump,

[00:30:40] who wrote in her memoir recently that her longtime bank closed her account,

[00:30:46] and then also refused to open a bank account for her teenage son,

[00:30:50] Barron,

[00:30:50] who at the time was just in high school.

[00:30:53] Now,

[00:30:54] to be fair,

[00:30:56] the office of the Comptroller of Currency has issued a statement that denies that they ever direct banks to open or close bank accounts.

[00:31:06] Probably true.

[00:31:08] But that doesn't mean that the banks didn't debank some of these individuals.

[00:31:12] And I do,

[00:31:13] in my commentary,

[00:31:14] remind you of something else.

[00:31:15] And that is,

[00:31:16] you go back a few years,

[00:31:17] we talked about Operation Choke Point.

[00:31:20] Operation Choke Point was something that was developed by the Justice Department,

[00:31:25] and it was working with banks to fight bank fraud.

[00:31:29] But we also were able to document,

[00:31:32] I think it's pretty well documented,

[00:31:33] that it also sometimes was used to hurt various legal businesses,

[00:31:39] for example,

[00:31:39] gun sellers,

[00:31:40] that the administration didn't like.

[00:31:43] And then there were others that talked about even an Operation Choke Point Point 2

[00:31:47] that actually was going after some of the people involved in cryptocurrency,

[00:31:52] Bitcoin,

[00:31:53] and other kinds of aspects.

[00:31:55] So,

[00:31:56] if nothing else,

[00:31:56] this debanking has been around for some time.

[00:32:00] And my argument is this.

[00:32:03] Anecdotes are one thing,

[00:32:04] evidence is quite another.

[00:32:06] So,

[00:32:06] the administration probably needs to check this out.

[00:32:10] After all,

[00:32:11] since the former First Lady,

[00:32:13] to once again become the First Lady,

[00:32:15] was affected,

[00:32:16] as were all sorts of very prominent tech company founders in Silicon Valley.

[00:32:23] And so,

[00:32:23] it's time to have the administration,

[00:32:26] maybe even Congress,

[00:32:27] check it out.

[00:32:28] And I think that they will discover

[00:32:30] that there's some validity to some of those allegations.

[00:32:34] So,

[00:32:34] that's my commentary for today on debanking.

[00:32:38] I'll give you a preview.

[00:32:39] My commentary tomorrow

[00:32:40] is on financial sanctions,

[00:32:42] whereas debanking occurs

[00:32:44] when an individual

[00:32:46] is denied banking services,

[00:32:48] financial transactions take place

[00:32:51] when nations

[00:32:52] all of a sudden find that their financial assets

[00:32:55] are actually frozen.

[00:32:57] And we've seen this first with the United States

[00:33:00] in terms of the Russian financial accounts,

[00:33:03] because,

[00:33:04] of course,

[00:33:04] the invasion of Ukraine.

[00:33:06] The IMF has suspended the accounts of the Taliban,

[00:33:09] again,

[00:33:10] because of their terrorist activities.

[00:33:11] But you're now starting to see more and more nations,

[00:33:14] especially the BRICS nations,

[00:33:16] that are trying to find some other kind of currency,

[00:33:20] some other way to transact,

[00:33:23] transactions,

[00:33:24] if you will,

[00:33:24] because they're afraid

[00:33:26] that all it takes

[00:33:27] is for us to be on the wrong side of a policy,

[00:33:30] and they might freeze our accounts as well.

[00:33:33] So,

[00:33:34] in some respects,

[00:33:35] it's sort of become a theme this week

[00:33:37] of censorship.

[00:33:38] That's because of so many items in the news,

[00:33:41] and perhaps you've heard about a lot of those

[00:33:43] for the first time

[00:33:44] right here on Point of View.

[00:33:46] We'll be right back.

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[00:34:01] Back for a few more minutes,

[00:34:02] let me just mention that as a program note,

[00:34:04] tomorrow we will be talking about

[00:34:05] the California Left Coast Survivors Guide.

[00:34:08] And again,

[00:34:09] you might say,

[00:34:10] well,

[00:34:10] I don't live in California.

[00:34:11] First of all,

[00:34:12] a lot of our listeners in California

[00:34:13] as we go through this

[00:34:14] will go,

[00:34:14] yeah,

[00:34:15] well,

[00:34:15] that's been happening here.

[00:34:17] But first of all,

[00:34:18] I would have to say

[00:34:19] that even though

[00:34:19] it has the word California on it,

[00:34:21] and it comes from an individual

[00:34:22] with the Pacific Research Institute,

[00:34:25] our listeners in the Pacific Northwest

[00:34:27] will agree with some of the things

[00:34:29] we're going to be talking about.

[00:34:30] Our listeners in the Northeast

[00:34:32] for sure will agree with some of that.

[00:34:34] And some even in the middle states

[00:34:37] like Illinois will certainly say,

[00:34:39] even though you've got the word California on it,

[00:34:40] we've been dealing with some of the same issues

[00:34:43] in our own state.

[00:34:43] So I think you'll find it helpful.

[00:34:45] And it is reminiscent of some things

[00:34:47] we've done in the past.

[00:34:48] We haven't done one of those in years.

[00:34:49] They have that whole series of books

[00:34:51] on the politically incorrect guide to

[00:34:53] the politically incorrect guide

[00:34:55] to the Constitution,

[00:34:56] politically incorrect guide to Islam,

[00:34:58] the politically incorrect guide to wokeism,

[00:35:01] whatever it might be.

[00:35:01] I've got a whole set of those books

[00:35:03] on my shelf,

[00:35:04] which probably I just need to put

[00:35:06] into our bookshelf now

[00:35:07] because I haven't looked at

[00:35:08] most of them in a long time.

[00:35:09] But it's done with a little bit

[00:35:11] of tongue-in-cheek,

[00:35:12] but at the same time reminding us

[00:35:14] of what it's like,

[00:35:15] especially to be in maybe a blue state

[00:35:18] where you almost have

[00:35:20] a one-party domination

[00:35:22] and what happens there.

[00:35:24] Even if you find yourself saying,

[00:35:26] well, I don't live in a state like that,

[00:35:28] what happens in California

[00:35:29] doesn't always stay in California.

[00:35:31] So I think it's also a cautionary tale.

[00:35:34] And so we'll spend a little bit of time

[00:35:35] working our way through the book

[00:35:36] in the first hour.

[00:35:37] Then we'll get back to some of the issues

[00:35:39] in the news in the second hour.

[00:35:42] And as we go through the week,

[00:35:44] I hope that you will appreciate

[00:35:45] some of the material

[00:35:46] that we've made available.

[00:35:47] But again, you might want to find

[00:35:49] a few of these articles

[00:35:50] we've posted today

[00:35:51] about things like free speech

[00:35:53] and this one by our friend

[00:35:55] Victor Davis Hanson,

[00:35:57] which he calls

[00:35:58] conspiracies too awful to imagine.

[00:36:01] I won't even try to cover

[00:36:03] the entire six pages.

[00:36:05] But what he's saying is,

[00:36:07] is despite, as he says,

[00:36:09] some of the eccentricities

[00:36:11] of Donald Trump

[00:36:12] and maybe even his lack

[00:36:14] of traditional political resume,

[00:36:16] his administration

[00:36:17] was successful

[00:36:19] in many ways

[00:36:21] by traditional economic,

[00:36:23] military, security,

[00:36:24] and diplomatic standards.

[00:36:26] It was certainly not characterized,

[00:36:28] as he points out,

[00:36:29] by what we've had

[00:36:29] over the last many years

[00:36:30] of weaponizing

[00:36:32] of the DOJ,

[00:36:33] the Pentagon,

[00:36:35] the CIA,

[00:36:36] the FBI,

[00:36:37] even vendettas,

[00:36:39] hyperinflation,

[00:36:40] or a variety of other things

[00:36:41] there as well.

[00:36:42] And so,

[00:36:44] nevertheless,

[00:36:44] the idea

[00:36:45] that Trump was president

[00:36:47] is oftentimes seen

[00:36:50] by the left

[00:36:50] as an attack

[00:36:52] on civil liberties,

[00:36:54] on the justice system,

[00:36:56] and on free expression.

[00:36:58] And so,

[00:36:59] he takes us through

[00:37:00] a couple of key points,

[00:37:01] and these are points

[00:37:03] that even have sub-points,

[00:37:05] so I'm going to do

[00:37:06] a lot of summarizing

[00:37:08] of the four points.

[00:37:09] But the first one

[00:37:11] has to do with

[00:37:12] Russian collusion.

[00:37:14] I won't go into that,

[00:37:15] but it gives you

[00:37:15] all of the history

[00:37:18] we have now.

[00:37:19] Even while that was

[00:37:20] taking place,

[00:37:21] we knew that the dossier

[00:37:22] provided by the

[00:37:24] ex-British spy

[00:37:26] Christopher Steele

[00:37:26] was phony.

[00:37:27] We knew that it certainly

[00:37:29] didn't have any credence,

[00:37:31] but nevertheless,

[00:37:32] it was something

[00:37:33] that was able

[00:37:34] to tie up

[00:37:35] the Trump administration

[00:37:37] for years.

[00:37:38] It also was something

[00:37:40] that could be used

[00:37:41] for both ambushing

[00:37:43] and eventually

[00:37:44] destroying the career

[00:37:45] of General Michael Flynn,

[00:37:47] who had appeared

[00:37:48] on the program

[00:37:49] before he then

[00:37:50] was nominated

[00:37:51] and then completely destroyed.

[00:37:53] So that's all part

[00:37:55] of number one,

[00:37:56] Russian collusion.

[00:37:57] That's kind of

[00:37:57] familiar history,

[00:37:58] so we'll get to number two.

[00:38:00] He says,

[00:38:01] then,

[00:38:01] during the Trump administration,

[00:38:03] we witnessed

[00:38:04] more than more

[00:38:06] undreamed of efforts

[00:38:07] to sabotage

[00:38:08] his presidency.

[00:38:09] So while the Russian

[00:38:11] collusion happened

[00:38:12] in the candidacy,

[00:38:13] these others,

[00:38:14] including the Russian

[00:38:15] collusion,

[00:38:16] happened while he

[00:38:16] was then president.

[00:38:17] And first of all,

[00:38:19] you have a former

[00:38:20] Pentagon lawyer

[00:38:21] calling for a coup

[00:38:22] or a military coup

[00:38:24] or the impeachment

[00:38:25] of the president

[00:38:26] or removal

[00:38:26] from the 25th Amendment.

[00:38:28] A second point

[00:38:29] under that,

[00:38:30] he has the attempt

[00:38:31] by the deputy

[00:38:32] attorney general

[00:38:32] and interim

[00:38:33] MFI director

[00:38:35] to discuss

[00:38:36] recording the president

[00:38:38] hopes of finding

[00:38:39] some off-the-record

[00:38:40] conversation

[00:38:41] that would justify

[00:38:43] the 25th Amendment

[00:38:44] removal.

[00:38:44] Then you have

[00:38:45] the campaign

[00:38:46] by the Secretary

[00:38:47] of State,

[00:38:48] Anthony Blinken,

[00:38:49] who right now

[00:38:50] is servants

[00:38:51] in that regard,

[00:38:52] the former

[00:38:53] interim CI director,

[00:38:54] Michael Morrell,

[00:38:55] and others,

[00:38:55] who rounded up

[00:38:56] 51 former

[00:38:59] individuals,

[00:39:00] intelligence authorities

[00:39:01] that misled

[00:39:03] the country

[00:39:04] by simply saying

[00:39:05] that the Hunter

[00:39:06] Biden laptop

[00:39:07] had all the marks

[00:39:08] of Russian disinformation.

[00:39:10] He goes on

[00:39:11] to mention

[00:39:11] then the heads

[00:39:12] of NIH,

[00:39:13] Francis Collins,

[00:39:14] the NIAID,

[00:39:16] Anthony Fauci,

[00:39:17] and a number

[00:39:18] of others

[00:39:18] to actually lie

[00:39:20] about the various

[00:39:21] things that were

[00:39:22] taking place

[00:39:23] and we're talking

[00:39:24] about the lab leak

[00:39:25] and all sorts

[00:39:26] of other issues.

[00:39:27] The list goes on

[00:39:28] for half a page

[00:39:29] and I won't bore you

[00:39:30] with the details

[00:39:31] because there's

[00:39:31] quite a few.

[00:39:32] He goes on

[00:39:33] to then mention

[00:39:34] the chairman

[00:39:35] of the Joint Chief

[00:39:36] of Staff,

[00:39:36] Mark Milley,

[00:39:37] who took it

[00:39:37] upon himself

[00:39:38] to actually

[00:39:38] contact Russia

[00:39:39] and do all sorts

[00:39:41] of other things

[00:39:42] that would

[00:39:43] certainly have

[00:39:44] put many other

[00:39:45] people in some

[00:39:46] kind of jeopardy.

[00:39:48] He goes on

[00:39:48] to talk about

[00:39:49] then even during

[00:39:50] the 2020 election

[00:39:51] cycle,

[00:39:52] left-wing funded

[00:39:53] legal groups

[00:39:54] systematically

[00:39:54] and under

[00:39:55] the guise

[00:39:55] of COVID

[00:39:56] lockdown

[00:39:56] sued in

[00:39:57] favorable

[00:39:58] courts to

[00:39:59] change state

[00:40:00] balloting laws

[00:40:01] to remove

[00:40:02] or try to

[00:40:02] remove the

[00:40:03] president from

[00:40:03] those ballots.

[00:40:04] During that

[00:40:05] same time,

[00:40:06] you even have

[00:40:06] an individual

[00:40:07] at Time

[00:40:08] Magazine

[00:40:08] talking about

[00:40:09] a cabal

[00:40:10] and a

[00:40:11] conspiracy

[00:40:11] of billionaire

[00:40:12] leftist

[00:40:13] individuals,

[00:40:14] primarily in

[00:40:15] Silicon Valley

[00:40:16] but other

[00:40:16] places,

[00:40:17] were doing

[00:40:17] all they can

[00:40:18] to prevent

[00:40:19] the election

[00:40:20] of Donald

[00:40:20] Trump.

[00:40:21] And then,

[00:40:21] of course,

[00:40:22] 91 local,

[00:40:24] state and

[00:40:25] federal felony

[00:40:26] indictments.

[00:40:28] And again,

[00:40:29] all of those

[00:40:29] things taking

[00:40:30] place during

[00:40:31] this next

[00:40:32] campaign.

[00:40:32] His last

[00:40:33] two are

[00:40:34] pretty simple

[00:40:34] and that is

[00:40:35] never in

[00:40:36] recent election

[00:40:36] history had a

[00:40:38] presidential

[00:40:38] candidate in

[00:40:39] the midst of

[00:40:40] the final stretch

[00:40:40] of the campaign

[00:40:41] been targeted

[00:40:42] of two

[00:40:43] assassination

[00:40:43] attempts.

[00:40:44] And this is

[00:40:45] where Victor

[00:40:45] Davis Hanson

[00:40:46] says,

[00:40:47] okay,

[00:40:47] the assassins

[00:40:48] are responsible.

[00:40:50] But this

[00:40:51] was enabled,

[00:40:52] his argument,

[00:40:53] and I think

[00:40:54] it's clear,

[00:40:54] by a climate

[00:40:55] that equated

[00:40:56] Trump with

[00:40:57] being Hitler,

[00:40:58] fascist,

[00:40:58] Nazi,

[00:40:59] or all the

[00:40:59] rest,

[00:41:00] which may

[00:41:00] cause some

[00:41:01] of these

[00:41:02] unhinged

[00:41:02] would-be

[00:41:03] killers

[00:41:04] to think

[00:41:05] that they

[00:41:05] might actually

[00:41:06] be enshrined

[00:41:07] as heroes

[00:41:07] by taking

[00:41:08] him out.

[00:41:09] And then,

[00:41:09] of course,

[00:41:10] the final

[00:41:10] one,

[00:41:10] which we've

[00:41:11] already alluded

[00:41:11] to,

[00:41:12] not since

[00:41:13] Woodrow

[00:41:14] Wilson,

[00:41:14] in the

[00:41:15] scandal of

[00:41:16] 1919 and

[00:41:17] 1920,

[00:41:18] have the

[00:41:18] media and

[00:41:20] Democratic

[00:41:20] left conspired

[00:41:21] to hide

[00:41:22] the circumstances

[00:41:23] that the

[00:41:24] current

[00:41:24] president,

[00:41:25] who,

[00:41:26] by the way,

[00:41:26] is still

[00:41:27] the president,

[00:41:27] by the way,

[00:41:28] Joe Biden

[00:41:28] is still

[00:41:28] the president

[00:41:29] today,

[00:41:30] and that

[00:41:31] was mentally

[00:41:32] and physically

[00:41:33] unfit to

[00:41:34] actually fulfill

[00:41:35] his oath

[00:41:36] of office.

[00:41:37] And so,

[00:41:38] he says,

[00:41:38] those who

[00:41:39] are perpetrators

[00:41:40] of these

[00:41:40] illicit,

[00:41:41] unethical,

[00:41:42] and unprecedented

[00:41:42] efforts were

[00:41:44] themselves the

[00:41:45] first and

[00:41:45] most prominent

[00:41:46] to project

[00:41:47] Trump as

[00:41:48] the promulgator

[00:41:49] of conspiracies

[00:41:50] to debilitate

[00:41:51] the very

[00:41:52] institutions

[00:41:52] they had

[00:41:53] already undermined

[00:41:55] and disgraced.

[00:41:56] So,

[00:41:57] again,

[00:41:57] the title

[00:41:57] of his

[00:41:58] piece is

[00:41:58] Conspiracies

[00:41:59] Too Awful

[00:42:00] to Imagine.

[00:42:01] When you

[00:42:02] hear people

[00:42:02] talking about

[00:42:03] conspiracies,

[00:42:04] this six

[00:42:05] pages could

[00:42:06] be,

[00:42:06] what about

[00:42:07] all these

[00:42:07] others that

[00:42:08] were actually

[00:42:09] not just

[00:42:09] conspiracies,

[00:42:10] but actually

[00:42:11] done to

[00:42:12] try to

[00:42:12] prevent

[00:42:13] Donald Trump

[00:42:14] from taking

[00:42:14] the oath

[00:42:15] of office

[00:42:16] less than

[00:42:17] two weeks

[00:42:18] from today.

[00:42:19] If you'd

[00:42:20] like to

[00:42:20] know more

[00:42:20] about some

[00:42:21] of the

[00:42:21] issues we've

[00:42:22] been talking

[00:42:22] about today,

[00:42:23] if you'd

[00:42:23] like to

[00:42:23] find some

[00:42:24] of the

[00:42:24] articles or

[00:42:25] even some

[00:42:25] information

[00:42:26] about the

[00:42:27] interview we

[00:42:27] did with

[00:42:28] Dr. Andrew

[00:42:29] Wilson,

[00:42:29] Remaking the

[00:42:30] World,

[00:42:30] it's all

[00:42:31] available at

[00:42:32] our website

[00:42:33] at

[00:42:33] pointofview.net.

[00:42:34] Let me

[00:42:35] encourage you

[00:42:35] to maybe

[00:42:36] watch or

[00:42:37] listen to it

[00:42:37] again,

[00:42:38] go to the

[00:42:38] Viewpoints

[00:42:39] commentary.

[00:42:40] We're going

[00:42:40] to have a

[00:42:41] new take

[00:42:41] action item

[00:42:42] coming out

[00:42:42] probably tomorrow,

[00:42:44] so some

[00:42:45] other action

[00:42:46] items for

[00:42:46] you in

[00:42:47] the future,

[00:42:48] and all

[00:42:49] of that is

[00:42:49] always available

[00:42:50] at our

[00:42:51] website

[00:42:51] pointofview.net.

[00:42:52] I want to

[00:42:53] thank again

[00:42:53] Megan for

[00:42:54] help engineering

[00:42:55] behind the

[00:42:56] scenes,

[00:42:56] editing some

[00:42:57] of the

[00:42:57] interview

[00:42:58] behind the

[00:42:58] scenes.

[00:42:59] Steve,

[00:42:59] thank you

[00:42:59] for securing

[00:43:00] that and

[00:43:01] for producing

[00:43:02] the program,

[00:43:02] and we look

[00:43:03] forward to

[00:43:03] seeing you

[00:43:04] tomorrow right

[00:43:05] here on

[00:43:06] Point of

[00:43:06] View.

[00:43:11] It almost

[00:43:12] seems like we

[00:43:12] live in a

[00:43:13] different world

[00:43:14] from many people

[00:43:15] in positions

[00:43:16] of authority.

[00:43:16] They say men

[00:43:18] can be women

[00:43:19] and women

[00:43:19] men.

[00:43:20] People are

[00:43:21] prosecuted

[00:43:22] differently or

[00:43:22] not at all

[00:43:23] depending on

[00:43:24] their politics.

[00:43:25] Criminals are

[00:43:26] more valued and

[00:43:27] rewarded than

[00:43:28] law-abiding

[00:43:29] citizens.

[00:43:30] It's so

[00:43:31] overwhelming,

[00:43:32] so demoralizing.

[00:43:33] You feel like

[00:43:34] giving up,

[00:43:35] but we can't,

[00:43:36] we shouldn't,

[00:43:37] we must not.

[00:43:38] As Winston

[00:43:39] Churchill said to

[00:43:40] Britain in the

[00:43:41] darkest days of

[00:43:42] World War II,

[00:43:43] never give in,

[00:43:44] never give in,

[00:43:45] never,

[00:43:46] never,

[00:43:47] never,

[00:43:47] never yield to

[00:43:48] force,

[00:43:49] never yield to

[00:43:50] the apparently

[00:43:50] overwhelming might

[00:43:52] of the enemy.

[00:43:53] And that's what we

[00:43:54] say to you today.

[00:43:56] This is not a

[00:43:57] time to give in,

[00:43:58] but to step up

[00:43:59] and join Point of

[00:44:00] View in providing

[00:44:02] clarity in the

[00:44:03] chaos.

[00:44:03] We can't do it

[00:44:05] alone,

[00:44:05] but together,

[00:44:06] with God's help,

[00:44:07] we will overcome

[00:44:09] the darkness.

[00:44:10] Invest in

[00:44:11] biblical clarity

[00:44:12] today at

[00:44:13] pointofview.net,

[00:44:14] or call 1-800-347-5151.

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[00:44:21] and 800-347-5151.

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