Point of View January 29, 2025 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yolman.

[00:00:22] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Round Table. I am so excited for our second hour today where we have a full show lined up. We're going to be talking first about the Bishop, her comments last week at the National Prayer Service. I'm sure that you heard them, but we have Jonathan Teague back with us today to break down her comments. I really want, of course, his perspective as the Senior Associate Pastor at Prestonwood Baptist Church, but also as a Millennial, which we're here to discuss as a Millennial.

[00:00:51] You know, this empathy crisis, I would almost say that our generation has and the impact it has. We're going to be talking about that. Immigration this next hour, and we'll probably round out our show with a little bit of discussion on developing AI news with President Trump. He's surrounded himself by, I'm sure there's a better phrase for it than the tech bros, but I would say Elon Musk and many out of the tech industry.

[00:01:16] And I think it's something that we just need to have our eyes open and our ears open to hearing and paying attention to what's going on there. Also joining us this hour is Stephen Mosley. He is a college administrator, teacher, he's a school choice advocate, and the evangelical outreach chair for the Fairfax GOP. He has seen his fair share of interesting politics there in Virginia. Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Jonathan. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Chelsea. Great to be with you.

[00:01:45] So excited to have you guys today. We're going to start with the bishop's statements. I don't know what else to call them because it wasn't quite a sermon, where essentially last week at the inaugural events, the president and vice president, their family, part of those events were to attend the Washington National Cathedral Prayer Service.

[00:02:05] It's a tradition that's been been going on, you know, forever where there there was a Reverend Marianne Bood or Bud, I guess is how you say her name. And she kind of gave this sermonette where we've all heard and seen her comments. But just in case you haven't, where she talked about begging President Trump to have mercy on the people in our country who are scared now. That's a quote.

[00:02:29] She singled out gay, lesbian and transgender children, saying that they fear for their lives, as well as illegal immigrants who fear deportation. She used this national limelight and moment really as her to get on her soapbox and say what it is she had to say, not only to our country, but President Trump. She said it very loudly, didn't she, guys? Yeah. Yeah, she really did. Yeah, she really did. It was an interesting time.

[00:02:59] It was an interesting time. Message, Chelsea, I wouldn't call it a sermon either. And I think, frankly, inappropriately delivered in a lot of ways. Very inappropriately delivered. Of course, it could have been an opportunity to talk about the gospel on the national stage, to share anything whatsoever about God and his love and his forgiveness, anything core to the gospel. But instead, she used it to talk about defending transgenderism, same-sex marriage, you name it.

[00:03:29] She said it. So, Jonathan, I wanted to start with you. We have this article on pointofview.net. But I'm probably going to diverge from the article's analysis a little bit because we can get here. But, you know, the article places blame squarely at the feminist movement for not just her and her ideology that she represents and the way she did this, but for this idea of empathy without limitation.

[00:03:52] And this is something that I think, you know, we can start from a biblical perspective or as millennials, but I do think the millennial generation is particularly susceptible to being so empathetic that instead of speaking truth in love, which is what we're called to do in the Bible, it's all love and no truth. And that's where we've gotten into this kind of realm that we see the millennial generation, the younger generation is where there's no right, there's no wrong. Truth is relative.

[00:04:22] It's just how does that – what is your lived experience is what they would say. What is your version of truth? And that really stems from this idea of empathy. It might come from a good place. I think the left, not just feminism, but the left more broadly has capitalized on that, Jonathan, this idea of love among our generation. And compassion and compassion and empathy, which should be good attributes from the Bible, right?

[00:04:47] But taken to the extent, you know, as C.S. Lewis would say, without justice or without speaking truth or parameters leads to devastation. And so, Jonathan, feel free to take it from here. That was kind of my initial thought on her sermonette, I guess we can call it. Yeah, no, and thanks again, Chelsea. It's great to be with you. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly in the midst of such incredible, I guess, in a lot of ways, pomp and circumstance in a lot of good ways surrounding President Trump's inauguration

[00:05:16] and the ongoing appointments to the cabinet that are even continuing this week. It was just sort of this really odd and abrupt sort of wedge moment that this particular individual, who I don't know personally, of course. So just going off what I saw in the message itself and then just rereading the transcript a couple of times, it really does sort of intersect with the problem that you just identified, which amongst millennials and a lot of young adults really even into Gen Z as well,

[00:05:42] there's this idea that the only way to truly measure empathy appropriately is if your empathy knows no boundaries. And that's problematic on a lot of levels because the less boundary that you place around your empathy, as it were, or maybe even your inclusion if you want to use that word, it becomes ridiculously patronizing the less boundary you place around it because that makes it limitless and that also makes it undefinable. And that would be why you would end up in a comment like this.

[00:06:09] I mean, to do this, I just felt like the timing of it, the delivery of it, and really, frankly, the admonition of it at the end, it's almost as if the assumption is that President Trump, even if you don't like him, that President Trump is instantaneously going to demonize all the people that she cataloged there. I think it's both unfair and, frankly, too, a pretty illegitimate series of comments that are, I mean, at the end of the day, they're really wrapped around the idea

[00:06:37] that only these folks in these categories are going to be potentially susceptible to any kind of rule of law, no matter how you interpret it. And so it's like it's as if the whole argument is lifted on its head and then condemned for being non-empathetic but without any boundary around what empathy really means. And so it was troubling. And, yeah, I think you're right in a lot of ways. It's really a manifestation of an ideology that's way outside the biblical worldview.

[00:07:06] It's interesting to me, Stephen, as well, that, you know, there's all the empathy in the world for these so-called vulnerable populations, but not for necessarily vulnerable in the womb, for instance, or children who can't speak or defend themselves. I'd love to get your initial thoughts before our break, Stephen. Absolutely. And thank you so much for having me on. You know, the vice president's face basically spoke volumes for what everyone was feeling at the time. And, unfortunately, this is something we see a lot with the left.

[00:07:36] The left will use anything, including church, to push the radical LGBT agenda or even the illegal immigrant agenda. It's sad that this pastor didn't talk about the salvation message that these people needed, especially the LGBT part of it, which I'm like, Trump's not doing anything against LGBT. And then Donald Trump has promised to protect the country, and that's when it comes to illegal immigration. I think Donald Trump has been the most successful politician in talking about this issue when he says, look,

[00:08:06] he wants people to come here legally. He's very clear on that. He talked about building a big wall where people come in legally. But he also talked about having law and order and making sure that people who have broken our laws, who have come here illegally and in some cases killed our citizens, that they are brought to justice. And you say whatever you may want to say about Donald Trump, but on that issue, he is 100% right. And, unfortunately, I wish we heard a little bit more about Romans 13 in that sermon.

[00:08:33] And maybe we should have thought someone should have done some extreme betting on this pastor. So, quote, unquote, to make sure that next time we have a real pastor. Well said, Stephen. More after this short break. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] In his last two presidential addresses, Joe Biden warned of the rise of oligarchs and the development of a tech industrial complex. He reminded the nation of the farewell address of President Eisenhower, who spoke of a military industrial complex. Now, Noah Rothman observed that Democrats invented this new boogeyman only when some billionaires and big tech titans started to support Republican politicians and their policy preferences.

[00:09:26] He reminds us that Democratic leaders weren't all that vexed by misinformation and disinformation when they were the ones improperly wielding the coercive power of the state. Victor Davis Hanson concluded that Biden's attempt to copycat the warnings of Eisenhower failed because, to paraphrase a famous quip from the 1988 Democratic vice presidential candidate Lloyd Benson, President Biden, you're no Dwight Eisenhower.

[00:09:51] But he also reminds us that until November 2024, Biden had no problem with oligarchs. In fact, he courted and used them. And they, in turn, eagerly donated lavishly to his agenda. And it turns out that Meta Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg did the bidding of the Biden campaign team in 2020 by pouring millions into Biden-related PACs and voting groups to change voting laws.

[00:10:16] In fact, one of his last acts as president, Biden, awarded George Soros with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Only now are these oligarchs dangerous because some voted for Trump and a few will be working with the new administration. Big tech has been guilty of censoring speech and promoting disinformation, but the former president and his party only noticed the problem when they were no longer in charge. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:46] For a free booklet on a biblical view of anti-Semitism, go to viewpoints.info slash anti-Semitism. Viewpoints.info slash anti-Semitism. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are discussing the statements heard around the world at the Washington National Cathedral last week by Bishop Budd.

[00:11:16] We discussed just now how, you know, out of touch with the gospel and, you know, the reason that she used this platform as an opportunity to really espouse vastly extreme ideological views that do not adhere to the Bible. So things like talking about transitioning children, LGBT movement. But I wanted to really put a finer point on this. The reason I wanted to discuss this is because I think it's already been in the news,

[00:11:41] but for our purpose is to discuss this idea of what she represents in my mind, which is an empathy crisis, not just among the left, not just among millennials, but really culturally and in the church where, you know, under the guise of love, so much evil can be done and accomplished. So under the guise of loving transgender children, we would enable them to be mutilated, right? That would be, you know, one extreme position, but one that they defend.

[00:12:09] Or under the Love Wins movement, for example, same-sex marriage passed in Obergefell days in the, I think it was 2014, 2015. And, you know, other things, not just policy-related, but for instance, we could use the homelessness crisis in so many of our major cities that the left has said, well, to love them is to allow them to live in our streets, but really that has them out in the cold, continuing with addictions, mental health crisis that is untreated.

[00:12:39] And some would argue that's the most unloving thing, that this empathy towards we're constantly going to enable all types of bad societal behavior or moral immorality because of the sake of love without guardrails, not only leads to chaos, but it leads to destruction. And I wonder, Jonathan, from your vantage point, A, do you agree that there's an empathy crisis in your ministry? You're on the front lines. I would love to hear thoughts.

[00:13:04] And then, B, it's my position that the left uses fear-mongering and kind of takes advantage of this desire for empathy and love that people innately have towards other humans. It kind of takes advantage of that through fear-mongering and uses it to kind of exploit them into, you know, for instance, the immigration crisis where, you know, we can't deport criminals because, you know, that would be unloving. So I would love, Jonathan, to get your take on those items. You used the right word, Chelsea.

[00:13:34] It is enablement. And it does on its face, you know, especially when young people, young adults, even now you look at teenagers and how they're processing all the events of 2025 and what they see in the world. There is an overabundance of caution to be clear or even instructive around strong convictions. And the reason for that at times is not necessarily because people don't hold those convictions or, even better, that they don't want those convictions.

[00:14:02] It's that there is an inherent fear that if I issue those convictions, if I stand on them or I speak on them, that I am going to instantaneously disengage, disconnect, or even maybe even disenfranchise folks, at least on their face. And although that is on its face a consideration we ought to make, we consider this as preachers and communicators all the time, at the same time what is doubly, maybe even infinitely worse in doing that is never giving it to people at all.

[00:14:30] And so what ends up happening is you enable folks unto the worst possible ideas. Like, for instance, you have someone who says, somebody who says, you know, I want to be, I want to be, you know, I want to take my child and I want to say, you know, they use a boy but they think that she's a girl, that he's a girl. And so you enable them to have a transgender surgery and then you subsidize it with tax dollars

[00:14:59] and you normalize it with the culture. Well, that is, if you look through life, Chelsea, with a biblical lens, a biblical worldview, the scripture would say, and by the way, President Trump affirms, there's two genders, male and female. So subsidizing that as a culture, taking your choice and then enabling it through the culture and through policy, that's not loving, that's not empathetic. It is enablement. And so drawing those lines of conviction for younger people in particular, it's really, really important. How we get there is important too. How we stay is important.

[00:15:30] I don't think that this particular bishop succeeded in either of those things. I would have to agree with you there. Stephen, feel free to jump in. Absolutely. I would say, I was going to finish my comment. I apologize for being so long-winded last time. But I was saying, you know, in the future, we should probably have this type of sermon be done at Prestonwood Baptist or at Thomas Road Baptist where we have good Bible-believing pastors sharing the gospel and the encouragement for the incoming president, whoever that person may be.

[00:15:59] And this time it was Donald Trump. I do think that we do have an issue when it comes to the perception that the church is not loving or kind towards any of the communities that we've discussed because of the lie that if you share the truth, that's unloving. Instead of 1 Corinthians 13, that love delights in what is true.

[00:16:23] And as the church, we can truthfully, lovingly tell our neighbor, yes, this is sin. This is bad. This will hurt you. This will hurt your child. It will hurt them. It will hurt them. But also, we love them and we have a Savior that will save them from their sin, transform their minds to align with his word and the truth, Romans chapter 12, and be that loving arm of forgiveness. I know at my church, I go to Burke Community right outside of Washington, D.C.,

[00:16:52] and we have so many loving groups to help people dealing with all types of issues, including the LGBT issue that we were talking about earlier. That's an interesting point, Stephen, because ultimately the message of the gospel is repentance, which requires us to say we're not our own gods. We can't create our own self-actualization as the God of our age and was, by the way, in the Hellenistic age, too. There's nothing new under the sun. But, Stephen, you know, that requires repentance and humility.

[00:17:20] And I think when people ultimately surrender their life to the Lord, that they see that's the most loving, freeing thing they could do, right? But to the outside world, it looks like rejection, right, Stephen? Absolutely. That's exactly it. You nailed it. I couldn't have said it better myself, but that's exactly it. Well, Jonathan, in our last few minutes before break, I wanted to get any additional thoughts you had on this or advice you have for us as we navigate this culture war that we're in,

[00:17:49] how to lovingly tell the truth. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, no, and how Stephen put it is exactly right. And this is the whole crux of the issue, Chelsea. It's never that we don't, as believers, that we don't love people. I said this at a funeral yesterday that I did of a really sweet gentleman in our church that passed away. Love Jesus. And we talked about John 13, 35. And by this, all men will know you and my disciples if you love one another.

[00:18:16] So when we take Jesus' definition of love and Jesus' definition of how that's expressed in his kingdom, and then we translate that into our context, well, then you're going to deliver the gospel every time. And the sad reality of what this particular individual missed the opportunity to share was that message right there, which I've said this now several times. And I think what is maybe the most startling and discouraging thing at times for those of

[00:18:44] us in ministry and leading young people, but also the greatest opportunity, is the biblical illiteracy that's ever prevalent in the culture and even in our churches, sadly. And it's just a reminder that as we bring people to the culture conversation, we need to bring them to a conversation about becoming more biblically literate and adept so that we can speak into these issues with that love and not just anger and reaction. Well said, Jonathan. Where can our listeners follow and support you before you sign off?

[00:19:11] Yeah, we're running around on Twitter at JonathanT and Instagram. And my wife is our Facebook representative, but I'm on Twitter a lot. That's great. Thank you so much for being with us today, Jonathan. As we round out this discussion, we're so grateful to have you joining us again. Thanks, Chelsea. Thanks. Well, we are, of course, on pointofview.net where you can read our articles today or more. Don't forget to go back and listen to our last hour where Richard Lim and I really spent

[00:19:38] a marathon hour breaking down President Trump's very busy first week in office, everything from domestic executive orders and his pardons to his international statements at Davos and what it's looking like he'll be working on the economic side. So we covered that in the first hour, but we have more to talk about. Stephen's going to stay on with us in the last few 30 minutes that we have together. And we're going to be talking about ICE deportations.

[00:20:06] Speaking of loving, we've got some comments there, I'm sure, Stephen, to work through. And then there's also an executive order that President Trump signed on developing more AI free from ideological bias. He's also investing a lot of $500 billion in building AI infrastructure for the medical community through the Stargate program. So I really want us to work on breaking down President Trump's goals there because I think

[00:20:36] he's aligned himself with some interesting characters, to say the least. That's my political savvy way of saying that. And I think it's worth us noting and watching as Americans just to know what's going on around us. But before we sign off, don't forget, you can go to Point of View Radio on Facebook. You can like us, leave comments. We love to hear from you on Point of View Radio and support our work there. You know, it's so important that we discuss these news items that we see in mainstream media.

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[00:22:57] You are listening to Point of View. The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman. Welcome back to our Millennial Roundtable today, where I am joined by Stephen Mosley, who is really just has so much political knowledge and background. You've been with political operators your entire career.

[00:23:25] So we're so grateful you're with us today, Stephen. Glad to be here. We are turning now, Stephen, to talk about really it's a daunting subject, which is probably why I don't cover it as much on this show as I do things that I'm very well-versed and comfortable in covering. But I'm going to do my best as your, let's say, tech-challenged friend. Trump signs an executive order on developing artificial intelligence free from ideological bias.

[00:23:52] So, Stephen, we've got to break this down because whether I like it or not, you know, AI, they're calling it an AI arms race, the development of AI in our corporate structures or industries is really something all eyes are on right now, Stephen. And they're calling it this arms race because things like other countries like China, who rolled out their own version of a large AI program that was downloaded.

[00:24:21] I think the highest rate any AI chatbot has ever been downloaded this week was rolled out. I'm at Far Surpass ChatGBT. And President Trump immediately came out with a statement saying that this is an admonition of sorts against our own American AI production and that we better keep up. And I think it's pretty clear that President Trump is wanting to continue to expand, you know, our American enterprise in this way.

[00:24:49] You know, the top three industries I've heard him talking about are oil and gas expansion, which we discussed last hour with Richard Lim. Crypto Banking, which is something we can talk about today if you want, Stephen, but this one was AI development. And he has invested $500 billion in the development of AI infrastructure for a system called Stargate.

[00:25:13] Stargate AI, if you don't know, Stephen, is AI that essentially this would create the structure for it, not actually do this, but creating an AI that will look at all the various types of genome in a human, blood draws, your DNA, anything that could show that you are predispositioned to have any type of ailment

[00:25:35] and kind of give you, they say, not a prophecy, but a prediction on what you're susceptible to from a medical standpoint. All of this data be analyzed. And I'm going to start by saying I'm a skeptic of using AI completely unregulated. And the Biden administration put guardrails on AI development, wanted it to be slow, wanted it to be safe, and it slowed the industry down, according to President Trump. So he signed this executive order.

[00:26:04] Stephen, I would love to get your take on any of this. And feel free to take this anywhere because, of course, we can't talk about AI development without talking about Elon Musk and the other tech billionaires out of Silicon Valley who have aligned behind Trump in the last few months. So feel free to take this. Sure. There's so many things to go. I first think of Gattaca. I don't know if your audience has seen that movie. It's an old one. It's the millennial generation. But it's an amazing one. Why? Because what it does is basically what we're talking about here.

[00:26:33] It's saying, hey, we're going to create technology that's going to basically be able to determine how productive you're going to be in society. We took it really nice, right? We say, well, make sure that you don't have the diseases, right? I mean, just think about a couple of years ago, the COVID jab. Wasn't that supposed to make that miracle vaccine? Was it supposed to make it so that we can be with our grandparents, we can be with our children, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera? And the next thing was like, if you don't have this thing, by golly, you can't go to work, you can't go to restaurants, but you could totally go buy alcohol and drugs.

[00:27:03] So we have to be careful. I'm with you. It's not really the technology. It's the people behind it. It's what us sinners will do with it that we have to be careful with. And I look at a movie like Gattaca, and I see that that could be an issue where, yes, I agree, we don't want the AI to be biased against – let's be real. It will be against Christians and conservatives. We don't want that. So I agree, President Trump, on that.

[00:27:29] I also agree with using it to benefit human society. So I'm not against the idea of what we're talking about, which is using technology to see whether you have diseases. What I am against is saying, well, you know what? We just use this technology, and your kid's going to be less than five foot, or your kid's going to have this disease, or your kid's going to be born early, goodness gracious, and he could have all types of abnormalities, so you need to abort him.

[00:27:56] I mean, just think that's what Gattaca is about. It's about using the medical technology that basically determines who's going to be the successors or lack thereof in society based on how well they are – how well they'll be, how fit they'll be. So if they have an admiralty or if they're like myself, a person who's born early, you know, you kind of discard those people, and you focus on the more healthy people. And so that's not necessarily the technology that's bad.

[00:28:25] It's the central people who would be using the technology. So I think we do need to be aware of that and, as Christians, be engaged on that and make sure it's not used that way, just like many Christians stood up against the COVID vaccine requirements, understanding that, yes, this vaccine was not necessarily a miracle drug, number one, but, two, that God gave us autonomy over our own bodies. And, no, the government does not have a right to say if you don't do this, you know, you can't participate.

[00:28:52] And the government did do that, and many Christians had their consciences and said, no, you know what, I'm not going to do this, and I'll accept whatever consequences there are. But I don't know if it's against – for me, I'm going to obey God, and God has put on my conscience not to do this. There's many other more reasons not to get the job. But you saw the test that it took there. And I want to point out in that test, it was only 2% of our population that was dying from COVID. Now, I'm a hypochondriac. You cough, and I'm like, oh, no.

[00:29:21] But even I was like, listen, I understand 2%. In the millennial demographic, it was 4%. And our parents, the grandparents' demographic, it was 50%. So it depends on where you were. You know, what was your percentage of surviving COVID? I'm not putting that down. What I am saying is that we gave over our freedoms for 2% rate of death in COVID,

[00:29:44] and we need to be taking that as a warning as we're looking at this technology and other technologies that's going to guarantee, you know, health and safety. We need to be careful about that. We need to be aware of that. You write so many interesting things, Stephen. So I am going to break it down because first I think, you know, for me, if you're like me, and maybe you're not, maybe you're very tech savvy if you're listening to this and could call and explain this to us, but I think AI is difficult to define because it means everything. It's in our phones.

[00:30:13] It involves our search engines. It involves when you search for a photo. It involves types of IT technology being adopted in every industry you can imagine, and that doesn't even include these quantum computing developments over the last few months, which we did talk about on this show. And so not only is it so pervasive and so diverse and so big, I think for me that's where I get a little bit like where do we even start?

[00:30:40] Like how do you even start if it's become this technology arms race and now we're needing to compete and stay up as an industry on our allies with it? I don't think there's any, I don't think any of us have any idea where it's headed. And that concerns me. You know, I'm naturally a conservative and naturally skeptical of any system, and we can talk about this one after the break too, that could be used not just for mass surveillance, but who, you know, what data can be analyzed that we are or are not giving AI access to?

[00:31:10] You know, most recently, the most recent AirPods that are about to come out, for instance, have these frequency readers inside. This is not a joke. This came out at the World Economic Forum that can read brainwaves. That data can be sold to marketing companies to market to things you're thinking about. So for me, it's like it feels that we already don't have any guardrails at the federal level. They move so slow. There's no regulations of AI, and I don't have a short enough memory.

[00:31:37] You know, I have a long-term memory, and I remember the godfather of AI. He was a British-Canadian computer scientist. He's the one that invented this. In May of 2023, he resigned over fears of the dangers of AI, not just upending our job markets and taking our jobs, but saying what it could do to things like our infrastructure, our electricity infrastructure, our national security infrastructure. It's smarter than humans.

[00:32:06] It processes faster than humans. And without guardrails, Stephen, you know, I have some serious concerns that it's easy for President Trump right now. It's in vogue. He wants American to be leading every industry everywhere all the time. It takes wisdom to stop and say, yes, Elon Musk is pushing this and has his own investment interest in aligning with Trump. That, you know, we can see that. He's not a real conservative. We can all see that.

[00:32:32] He's got a lot of industrial incentives to propping up President Trump, supporting. Mark Zuckerberg is getting in line. Bill Gates was at Mar-a-Lago two weeks ago. You know, all these billionaires are getting in line and for I hope we need to pray for discernment for President Trump to say, let's not be foolhardy. You know, there's these are private industries. And of course, as you alluded to, Stephen, we've got consumer freedom. So we as consumers can say, we're not going to download that.

[00:33:01] I've got it all turned off on my phone as best as I can. Or you can say, like, you know, my husband, we're just going to utilize it because it's here and it's a tool and it can be very, very helpful and help you be more productive. But I just don't want to forget that, you know, the caution has been thrown to the wind in my assessment on AI when I'm looking at the news. And we have been warned by high ranking officials out of Silicon Valley about the dangers of AI.

[00:33:29] And I think it's incumbent upon us to expect some regulation about this thing. We're not sure where it will lead. More when we get back after this short break.

[00:33:41] You're listening to Point of View, your listener supported source for truth. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where Stephen Mosley and I are discussing AI development moving quickly.

[00:34:09] President Trump putting his full weight behind in expanding that industry. But also, you know, I am and Stephen hasn't said this. I want Stephen your thoughts on this, you know, concerned about a few things. One, that caution has been thrown to the wind. And just, you know, two and three years ago, we were having people out of Silicon Valley whistleblowers warning us that not only can AI not be controlled, we don't know what it's capable of.

[00:34:34] And in some cases, for instance, like ChatGPT, the next version when it came out, the old ChatGPT somehow knew that the new one was coming out and refused to turn off and then tried to change its own programming to become like invincible, essentially unable to be unplugged. And they had to go in and manually deprogram that ChatGPT.

[00:34:57] And I don't think enough of those examples are getting into the headlines of ways that we don't really know where this technology could go. So, Stephen, I would love your input on this. Right. iRobot. Okay. So, as you can tell, I love TV. And so all you need to know about AI and everything else is in the two videos and movies I'm telling you right now. iRobot, which is exactly what you're saying, right? iRobot's a movie. I'm a little bit of a spoiler. It's a movie with Will Smith, a magnificent movie.

[00:35:26] But basically what happens is the machines take over because they start realizing, like, hey, you're trying to turn me off. Hey, you're trying to do things to me. It's like, yeah, these machines are more adaptable than we are. And it's evident by that. So we need to be careful about that. I would say as an American, I'm most concerned about making sure that our constitutional rights are preserved, which we did not see during COVID. That's why I keep going back to that.

[00:35:50] And if we can do that, that will bring down an angst against any type of new technology because we would have our principles set. It's like, hey, yeah, we need to beat China. We need to beat every place. We need to control AI to the furthest of our abilities because we don't want another country to beat us in that area, and that would be a national security risk. So I agree with President Trump on the idea of what we're trying to do here. We need to be the number one at everything. Totally agree with that.

[00:36:16] But as Christians, we need to be aware of how this technology could hurt us and also what we need to do to protect ourselves and be aware of these situations like you're pointing out. Like, it's like, you know, there's already movies about this. It's like, okay, we kind of see where this can go. So I would encourage our audience, if you haven't seen those two movies, go ahead and watch those two movies. You'll understand the concern that we have about the misuse of AI technology. And I would say as an educator, we see it all the time, even in academia.

[00:36:45] We see it with students using it to cheat. And it really, what happens is it dumps down your graduates, which dumps down your degrees, which hurts your workforce. And so it's like, yeah, a misuse is bad. Whereas today I was using it just playing around on ChatGBT and said, hey, why is Donald Trump the greatest president ever? And it gave me five, six reasons of why supporters of Donald Trump would say it's great. I'm looking at these reasons. I'm like, yeah, I've used all these reasons. I'm like, yes, this is great. But a misuse of this would have been, hey, let me write an article and use, copy and paste exactly what they gave me.

[00:37:15] And see, that would not have been my original thought. It would have been the computer's thought. And so any type of technology can be misused, including this technology of AI. Yes. And, you know, as I mentioned, it doesn't appear to be very easy to control, which, you know, for me as a consumer is just a red flag. What are your thoughts on Elon Musk? I mean, Elon Musk. So, you know, there's so many ways to go with this. I hope I'm opening a can of worms. I hope I am.

[00:37:44] But, you know, we know he was not a tried and true conservative. And although he espouses to be like a freedom of speech advocate and supposedly freed Twitter, you know, that's not the case. There are allegations and stories coming out. I, for one, was unable to get a Twitter account for over a year because I was violating community standards with my pro-life views.

[00:38:09] Not to mention, you know, he's creating these algorithms, he's openly saying, where basically he doesn't like what you're saying. He thinks you're too much of an activist. He'll bury your tweets. I don't trust him as far as we can throw him, but he has aligned very closely with President Trump and is now, you know, supposedly going to be the head of Doge, you know, the cutting expenses of the government. I think he's going to have a rude awakening that he's been essentially turned into a government regulator, which is an exceedingly boring job.

[00:38:37] I mean, he's essentially going to be head of an auditing agency. So I think he's about to be very bored. But what are your thoughts on him? I, you know, if he's not a true, tried and true conservative and hasn't espoused, you know, maybe he's fiscally conservative. It's someone I think we need to keep our eye on. He certainly has the most vested interest in this vast expansion of AI that President Trump is discussing. Yeah.

[00:39:05] I would say that Elon Musk, and for your listeners to understand, the difference between conservatives like me and you and the populist. And I think the populist like Elon Musk, Vivek Vamaswamy and others, they're here and they're like, hey, we're trying to take over. And the concern with populism is that it changes. What's ever popular today may not be popular tomorrow. And I think we just go back four years. We understand that. And four years ago, eight years ago, the conservatives were the populist. We were saying, hey, we want to we want to overturn Roe and and we want to pick our own judges.

[00:39:33] And Donald Trump was like, wait, you guys don't have a say in that? Yeah, yeah. You give me a list and I'll pick from your list. And he did. And what did he do? He made history. He overturned Roe v. Wade. Now you go four years after that and he doesn't want to touch pro-life with a long, long stick. And it's because they've moved on. And so you have the populist, which I thought was interesting. Last month we had talked about this, about Elon Musk, Vivek Vamaswamy, two people who are not Christians, but they love Christian society. And we talked about how you can't have Christian society without Christ, without knowing him and making him known.

[00:40:02] And so I think that's the issue of Elon Musk and the populist movement as a whole, not just picking on him. But also, you know, we thank Elon Musk for not blocking major stories this time around, which enabled a fair election. But then, like you said, he's like, oh, you know, I think I'm going to make sure that when you come on Twitter, the more positive things come up. We're going to get rid of this political talk. Like, literally Twitter is meant for politics. I don't know if he knows that. But the thing is, that is hurting free speech.

[00:40:32] Like, don't mess with the algorithms. If it's popular, if people like it, let people see it. If it's not popular, it won't. Just leave it alone. You know, I tend to try to judge people based on their actions. Well, Elon Musk, we have to also understand, is majorly involved in the transhumanism movement. If you don't know what that is, Google it. Look at the World Economic Forum and transhumanism speeches. Think of transgenderism, where people are trying to change who they are as a creation of Christ.

[00:40:58] This is another form of it, where essentially we're going to merge AI, we're going to merge technology with the human person. And Elon Musk is at the forefront of creating chips, brain chips that can be implanted. We can implant, he says, memories. They're going to resolve Alzheimer's. You know, I'm looking at all of these systems, and this is just my own personal opinion. But I think we're looking at the ingredients of the system for the mark of the beast. When I look at it, Stephen, I look around.

[00:41:27] I think we have the technology now to mark every human, you know, every transaction of sale, buying goods, and that they want to merge that type of technology with the human person. It's all the ingredients are here. In the last minute we have, Stephen, feel free to comment on that if you want to. Yeah, absolutely. I think here's the thing. There's nothing that needs to happen that we haven't already done that prepares for the Lord's coming. Jesus could come back tomorrow. He can come back 100 years from now. All the technology is already there. This technology, yet again, may be used for that.

[00:41:56] And it may not even be his will to use for that, right? He may not be the enemy. Christ, don't believe he is. But any technology can be misused. I think that's the biggest point we need to walk away with today is that anything can be misused. And so make sure you have our eyes above waiting for Jesus to return and living every day as if he could come today because he could come today. He could. He absolutely could. I so appreciate you bringing that point home because the purpose is to say, let's get our houses in order. Let's get right with the Lord.

[00:42:26] The world is moving quickly. And the show, all the topics we talked about today is such an example of that. But I just love the opportunity to break it down, not just with fellow friends and political brilliant minds, but also believers, because we're making sense of the chaos in this world around us. And to ground ourselves in truth and scripture, the Bible says, test the spirits. It's look and see who professes Jesus Christ as Lord. Look at the action so that we may not be deceived. It says in the end times to be alert.

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