Point of View February 18, 2025 – Hour 2 : Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:00:22] Welcome back to our second hour of the Millennial Round Table. If you were not with us last hour, go back and listen. We had Josh Barnes at the time, of course, the host of The Bible Explained, with us breaking down just what Revelation has to say about the end times, Mark of the Beast, just a light topic for you theologically. So go back and listen. He did a great job.

[00:00:42] Continuing on this hour, we have Liberty McCarter still with us. But joining us, we have Ethan Watson. He is a writer, a student and a contributor to Young Voices. Thanks for joining us today, Ethan. Thank you so much for having me. Happy to be on. Well, we are going to have a lot of discussion around world politics and then we'll turn to some domestic politics related to, of course, RFK's recent nomination and confirmation as the HHS Secretary.

[00:01:11] And the significance of that from a pro-life standpoint, as well as some news about a New York doctor who is just openly, you know, running afoul of many states laws, pumping abortion drugs into those states, which has had some damaging results for local women. But we'll get to that a little bit later. Right now, we're going to turn to some news regarding the EU and Ukraine.

[00:01:36] I think we're all on the edge of our seats and excited for the new administration. I think President Trump's moving things on the global at a global scale really quickly. And so it's a lot for us to keep up with at Liberty, as we talked about last segment a little bit.

[00:01:53] But what most recently has happened is President Trump has said he's going to enter into negotiations with Vladimir Putin and exclude specifically the EU nations as well as Ukraine from those negotiations. And his goal is to essentially broker peace in the region. This is a strong stance and a unique one, because, of course, it's, you know, I think it's safe to say ostracizing U.S. allies, the EU.

[00:02:21] One of his goals is he's been saying, you know, over the years is the EU is and NATO specifically are not paying their fair share for their own defense. They are roughly estimated to be about I think 23 of the countries in NATO are only expending about 2 percent on their own defense. And the U.S. is footing the bill. And so he has said, we're going to scale back what we're providing, including the 30,000 troops that are in the region and leave this to NATO to defend themselves.

[00:02:51] So their response was interesting. It got them to move into action, which I think we're starting to see on the world stage as President Trump is negotiating. The harder hard line stance he takes, the more nations are reacting. Are they not Liberty? Yeah, I think we're seeing this. We've seen it a few examples with tariffs. And now this, you know, where Trump will say something just that nobody is expecting.

[00:03:17] And I think that's one of the things that marked his first administration as well was that nobody really knew what he was going to do next. And so on the one hand, I think it makes other countries in my very limited understanding of, you know, foreign policy and politics and the way that things work. I think it makes other nations a little more hesitant to take advantage of the U.S. because we're not it's not the same as portraying weakness.

[00:03:47] And I think that was something that unfortunately was happening under the previous administration. So we're definitely not seeing that, but it is maybe a little bit of chaos. And so we're seeing Trump move very quickly. And, you know, maybe this is just a ploy to kind of get what he thinks America needs or wants. I think he also is very motivated by results to say, look, I said I was going to do this and I did it.

[00:04:14] I just I hope that due process for, you know, the proper due process for these different actions isn't sacrificed in that and that we don't end up alienating really important allies.

[00:04:27] That's a that's really a key point here, because we even saw Vice President Vance give the speech of a lifetime to many of these EU leaders where he reprimanded them for their deprivation of constitutional rights, whether that's freedom of speech rights or religious conscience rights. We are seeing, you know, especially in England, but across Europe, a level of censorship that we haven't seen in a very long time, to say the least, including imprisonment.

[00:04:55] And he noted an example that I thought was a powerful one, because he talked about a man who's in his while he was younger, had aborted his he and his girlfriend at the time's child. And he was silently decades later praying outside of that abortion facility. And a police officer stopped him, asked him what he was doing. And he was arrested and put in prison for that silent three minute prayer. And J.D. Vance is calling them out for this.

[00:05:22] Ethan, you know, it's really an interesting dynamic. I don't know that I've ever witnessed before where the sitting U.S. president and his administration is is pulling no punches with our EU allies. But it does seem to be working. They're moving as this article on point of you dot net suggests, where the prime minister of France is now hosting these EU countries and forgot to invite the United States, almost in retaliation to have a summit to discuss peace in Ukraine.

[00:05:52] Right. And I think Liberty hit the nail on the head perfectly when she said that this is most likely a negotiation tactic by President Trump. I don't think he's actually going to pull a ton of funding or troops out of Europe. I think it's like his plan to take over Gaza. Right. I don't think that's going to happen. I think it just puts extreme pressure on America's allies and enemies to do the right thing. And that's really what we need to be going for here. And the truth is, this is a giant shakeup in American foreign policy, because ever since World War Two,

[00:06:20] America has basically been bankrolling and backing up the European countries, guaranteeing their security. And instead of really repaying us by acting like proper Western countries, they've been pursuing authoritarian and leftist agendas, whether it's the free speech thing, whether it's the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson in the UK, whether it's the mass migration policies they've been pursuing. They've really sort of taken our money, taken our protection and then sneered at us and called us backwards.

[00:06:46] And I think it raises a very interesting question where if Europe's argument is we cannot exist and fend off Russian credations without American taxpayer dollars and American sons and daughters going over there to defend us, how much of a sovereign nation can you claim to be if that's the case? Now, I'm not saying that they should be somehow absorbed into America's overseas territories or we should leave them to fall to Russia, but they should start acting like sovereign countries if they want to be sovereign countries. And that means picking up the slack and providing for their own security.

[00:07:16] But Donald Trump is taking the right approach on this because the EU and Ukraine, they almost can't provide an off-ramp to Putin, be without losing face at home. They can't do that. They would look like the bad guy to their own people. So it's time for America to go over their heads and say, here's an off-ramp to Putin. And then the Europeans and Zelensky in particular can go back to their people and say, look, we tried to fight this war, but the Americans crammed it down on us. That's the only way we get these two sides to the negotiating table and end the loss of life in Ukraine.

[00:07:44] You answered really what my next question is going to be before our break, which is it's producing this almost ironic effect in my mind, because what's happening is the EU and Ukraine are now refusing to come to the negotiation table to broker peace in their own backyard. And it's really showing their hand, you know, those vested interests that maybe are a conflict there,

[00:08:06] because if they're very motivated to get Russia back across that boundary and away even territorial from Poland and Germany and, you know, those more eastern bordered European countries, you would think they would just be saying, let's get to the table as fast and as hard as possible. But that's not what they're saying. They're saying, well, we can't financially back or support, including Ukraine, by the way.

[00:08:29] You know, Zelensky, President Zelensky was saying, unless we are the ones to negotiate it, we won't support it. That's an interesting perspective to take. Everyone's playing hardball. More when we get back after this short break.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. President Trump is always full of surprises, but the biggest surprise so far was his bombshell announcement that the U.S. would take over the rebuilding of Gaza. This is not going to happen for many reasons. You can't just evacuate two million resident Palestinians, first, because nearby countries don't want them, and second, a forced evacuation would likely be a violation of international law.

[00:09:22] The U.S. won't implement Trump's suggestion, but the proposed policy provides an important teaching opportunity. This policy rests upon a flawed view of human nature. It is an outer inner theory of human behavior. If you can improve the environment around someone, I can improve their behavior. Build nice public housing and the crime rate will go down. Rebuild Gaza and the problems in the Middle East will be solved. By contrast, the gospel is an inner outer theory. You change human behavior from the inside out.

[00:09:51] And we also understand that change in a person's environment doesn't change their sin nature. The problem is even worse in Gaza because we're dealing with radical Muslims. Andrew McCarthy refers to their view as Sharia supremacist Islam. This view has been around for 1,400 years. It is worth mentioning that the people in Gaza voted to have Hamas rule them. They didn't do that so that their leaders could turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East.

[00:10:17] Nearly every American president naively believes that Muslims share our common humanity and just want a better life for themselves and their children. Most Muslims have a different goal. Eradicate Israel from the region and implement Sharia law in the land. You would think we had learned from nation building in the Middle East that hasn't worked. It is very difficult to grow a democracy on Muslim soil.

[00:10:43] For a free booklet on a biblical view of Israel, go to viewpoints.info.israel. Viewpoints.info.israel. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where you can hear us discussing right now

[00:11:09] President Trump's most recent negotiations with Russia, where he is approaching Russia to talk about peace in Ukraine. But he has excluded NATO-EU countries as well as Ukraine themselves from those negotiations. And we are really highlighting here with Liberty and Ethan this idea of not only is President Trump,

[00:11:33] you know, taking very bold positions, but it is resulting in action on behalf of our allies to get them to the table. You know, they have, after all, had years to find this peace and to resolve this issue with Russia. What it's led to is, you know, a lot of economic devastation, but also it's highlighted areas, Ethan, where I would say the EU was relying to their own detriment on Russia.

[00:12:02] A great example would have been for oil and energy production. And as recently as last week, we saw them disconnect the equipment from the Russian energy sources in real time on the news, and that was an incredible moment because what we're, I think what I'm seeing President Trump trying to push NATO into doing is being more independent

[00:12:27] and less reliant on these allies who are not only unreliable but are an active threat to them. One of the ways this article on pointofview.net discusses that they're doing that is it is starting to push them to foot the bill for more of their own security. Because we do, part of NATO is the fact that the United States is supposed to work in lockstep with our allies.

[00:12:53] So, you know, I think that this pushes them into spending more on their own defense. They're even talking about a missile defense system in Europe. And those are strides in the right direction, even if it's a messy process along the way, in my personal opinion. And I'd love to get your thoughts, Ethan, on that. Well, definitely. I think it's certainly productive to ask the Europeans to take a greater interest in their own security. And hopefully, well, first of all, when you mentioned the energy thing,

[00:13:20] that really brought me back to the Europeans' attitude towards Americans. So I remember Donald Trump telling the Europeans to their face during his first term, this is a bad idea to be reliant on Russian oil and natural gas. You guys need to abandon your green policies and start building up more legacy fossil fuels energy because you're reliant on your enemy. And it panned to the European leaders actually laughing to his face at that. So I think the Americans have been vindicated once again on these issues. And asking the Europeans to take a greater financial and personal stake in their own security

[00:13:49] will hopefully mean that they abandon some of these naive goals that they have when it comes to the war in Ukraine. You hear a lot of rhetoric coming out of Zelensky, understandably, but other people in Europe that we're in this to the end and we're going to take back every inch of Ukrainian soil. And I think that's just a really, really naive way to view this war. War is almost always about more than just taking over a piece of land. It's about signaling. The goal of this war should have been to signal to Putin that he can't just roll into other countries or else he's going to pay a huge price.

[00:14:18] I think that goal has been achieved. We've whittled down the Russian military. We've shown them to be sort of this paper tiger that we always suspected that they were. And so I think the goals have been achieved. And now this idealistic idea that we're going to retake Crimea, we're going to retake the Donbass, a region that's already very ethnically Russian, or even one time I heard Zelensky saying that there would be Ukrainian troops in Red Square. I mean, that's just absolutely insane. That's a huge cost of money and even greater cost of lives.

[00:14:45] And hopefully by asking the Europeans to foot their own bill and actually be on the front lines of this fight, they'll abandon some of these naive foreign policy goals and take a more pragmatic, real policy view of the situation. You raise an interesting point on how much deeper this war is. And I think sometimes even in my westernized mind, I understand culturally what's really at stake here with President Putin wanting to see a united Russia. His number one fidelity is to the motherland of Russia,

[00:15:15] which included Ukraine as part of that territory. He views them as ethnically Russian. And so part of this is a Russian problem. And I think it's, you know, they, you know, the president Zelensky, I'd love your thoughts on this. Liberty has done, you know, really an excellent PR campaign of human. And there are war atrocities going on. There are horrific things happening in that region. Peace should be above all else.

[00:15:41] And I don't know that President Zelensky has shown by his actions and the amount of money that they've been given, you know, Tucker Carlson even reporting in the last few weeks that the money laundering going on through Ukraine after the billions and hundreds of billions we've sent them as the United States, but also our weaponry ending up with drug cartels in Mexico. You know, I don't know that these leaders have shown

[00:16:08] that they are stewarding this peace brokering well. So Liberty, I'd love to get your thoughts on any and all of that. Sure. Well, you know, Ethan has, I think, a very sharp analysis on the situation and kind of the bigger issues that are going on. And, you know, one of the things that the American voters showed when they elected Trump to a second term was that they were in favor of his America First policy.

[00:16:33] And if we are so stretched that we are funding defense for all these other nations when they really should have the resources to defend themselves, then that's less money that we're able to spend for Americans or for places that really, really need the help and that are in our interest. And so I think we should want our allies to be able to build strong defenses. We've talked in the last hour, technology is advancing at a rapid pace.

[00:17:03] And so strong, up-to-date defense systems should be a priority for our allies and for us. But we shouldn't be the ones that are, you know, having to provide that for everybody else. So if our allies are able to become more independent and build stronger defense systems for themselves, we can do the same. And then I think we end up with a safer world and that should be the goal. Liberty, one of the other places we've seen this tactic used by the new administration is regarding the Gaza Strip and Middle East.

[00:17:33] And so as recently as a few weeks ago, I think we all heard when President Trump said, unmistakably, Ethan, that he wanted to see U.S. troops in Gaza, almost the opposite of Ukraine in some sense. But it's really this idea that if the Middle East cannot broker humanitarian peace in the right way and deal with these terrorist groups, then the U.S. is going to come in and do it for them. And what we've seen there is our own allies in the region, Saudi Arabia comes to the forefront,

[00:18:02] Houston or Rubio is meeting with this week. You know, they're all saying, we don't want to relocate the Palestinians here, and we don't want the U.S. in our backyard. But it is pushing them to the table, isn't it, Ethan? Yeah, definitely. And, you know, as an America First guy, I have no interest in occupying the Gaza Strip or taking it as an overseas territory or spending American blood and treasure to develop it into some kind of Riviera of the Middle East. But I think what Trump is doing is, again, he's signaling. He's signaling to Israel, to Palestine, to the Middle East,

[00:18:31] probably that whatever the status quo has been, whatever we've been trying for the last decades, it hasn't worked. And it's time to put extreme pressure. And I really think that's what this is. It's a negotiating tactic. My primary interest in the conflict in the Middle East and the conflict in Ukraine and any conflict is what is good for America and Americans. And what President Trump needs to be doing is putting pressure on the Palestinians to let American hostages go and signal to them that they cannot lay a finger on Americans ever again.

[00:18:59] So if that means threatening to take it over in order to exact those concessions from them, then absolutely I'm in favor of it. And I've got to respect the innovative approach. Again, I don't think America is going to be turning the Gaza Strip into Atlantic City 2.0 or something. But I do think there's value in exploring alternative solutions when this stalemate has been here for, I mean, in recent memory since the 1940s, but really for thousands of years at this point. Well said, Ethan.

[00:19:28] Liberty, any final thoughts before our break? I mean, just, you know, echoing what Ethan said, I don't want to see that vision that Trump has been talking about come to reality. And I don't think it's realistic. And I do think that it is more of a negotiating tactic. And it is definitely original because even in the article that you posted on pointofyou.net, you have all these leaders saying, hey, you know, this is the first new idea that we've heard in a while. And so as Kirby has discussed on pointofyou,

[00:19:57] as, you know, we've said in the past, you know, you can't solve a problem that, like Ethan said, has existed for thousands of years by the U.S. even if we were going to take over that piece of land. You can't impose order externally if there is an internal problem. And I think that that is the issue there. There's an internal spiritual and religious problem, first of all. But again, in terms of negotiating,

[00:20:25] if it's getting people to actually move and maybe try some new things, that's going to work out well for the U.S. and our allies, namely Israel over there, in more peace than I'm in favor of it. And I hope it turns out that way. I think so. You know, Israel's number one goal is to avoid having a truce where Hamas is allowed to survive as a military force. And I think that's where there has been a breakdown in negotiations. So, you know, the hope is that these terrorist organizations

[00:20:53] and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies and Hamas are no longer tolerated by our Mideast allies who say, OK, we truly are in favor of peace in the region, which requires these terrorist groups to get out of the region, allows there to be a rebuild, hopefully in Gaza. But certainly Gaza does not belong to the United States. It should belong to Israel, biblically speaking. So we'll talk more about this when we get back after this short break.

[00:21:30] It was not that long ago that censorship appeared to be almost inevitable. Free speech was being attacked and strangled in many places. And some of us wondered if this was the end. But now many feel a new sense of hope, a chance for a fresh dawn. Let me caution you. Now is not the time to relax. It's a time to press forward, to use this fresh opportunity to proclaim and learn

[00:22:00] how to apply truth to current issues. By the fact you're here, listening right now, that tells me that you recognize the vital role Point of View plays as a voice of truth. For more than 50 years, we've informed and equipped people who have made a real difference. And when you give to Point of View today, you breathe life into what can be a new golden era for the truth. Please, take a moment right now

[00:22:28] and invest in truth. Visit pointofview.net or give it 1-800-347-5151. That's pointofview.net. Click in now or call 1-800-347-5151. Point of View will continue after this.

[00:22:57] You are listening to Point of View. The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman. Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable. We are turning our discussion from international affairs, the wars abroad, and all the news coming internationally right now from President Trump, Vice President Vance,

[00:23:27] and even Senator Mark... Well, I guess he's not a senator anymore. Secretary, I should say. Rubio's travels to try to negotiate and broker peace. But we have other issues to deal with here domestically at home. And first and foremost, on not just my heart, but I think should be on all of us as just the greatest humanitarian crime that exists is the abortion issue. And if you're not aware of abortion drug trafficking, I'm going to explain that term, and then we're going to talk about some news coming out of Louisiana.

[00:23:56] But essentially, what you have is about 75% of all states still allow abortion to some degree, whether that's to a heartbeat, some to conception, some allow what they call perinatal death that they're not going to investigate, which you heard that right, is essentially infanticide legalized in Maryland, New York, Colorado, to name a few. But beyond that, the percentage of states

[00:24:26] that protect life, if you're thinking of Texas or Louisiana or Oklahoma, from conception, so when a human is very beginning to be formed, they are formed in God's image, they are human, and they are alive and worthy of protection for those two reasons alone. They're human and alive, and that should be enough. We are still seeing between, I mean, I think it's 30,000 drugs to the state of Texas, and that's by self-admitted abortion providers mailing abortion drugs

[00:24:55] into the state, and that means they're mailing abortion drugs to a woman's doorstep. She doesn't have to leave her house, see a doctor, make sure that she's not ectopic or RH negative. There's been zero safeguards for her in this process. And then she left it all alone to have the abortion and all that that entails. And it's really horrific what they're seeing happen on the ground. And the truth is, it's been incredibly difficult for these states to regulate abortion drugs. It's really, if you take abortion out of it and you make it the equivalent

[00:25:25] of somebody setting up an opioid website or a cocaine website from out of state and openly just mailing those drugs and substances into your state, and district attorneys are struggling to grapple with what to do about that. So what we've seen most recently out of Louisiana is a minor's mom ordered the drugs from a New York doctor who openly, I said, operates and openly admits to how many drugs she's mailing and then forced her daughter to have that abortion. Her daughter had been

[00:25:54] planning a gender reveal, so she was coerced into that abortion and then ended up in the hospital hemorrhaging. It's horrific. So one, I want to start with you, Liberty. Are you aware of abortion drug trafficking? Is it something you think is making the news enough or should we, you know, talk more about that and how it's happening? Absolutely not talked about in the media enough, so thank you for highlighting it, Chelsea. This is the abortion front that we need to be fighting on

[00:26:23] as pro-lifers and as you know, because we've had victories like Roe being overturned, which is great, but because of the abortion pill, even with many states outlawing abortion, it's so many abortions are still taking place and so I'm actually in the process right now of updating Point of View's booklet on chemical abortion or the abortion pill because the last time I wrote it, the FDA, due to the pandemic,

[00:26:53] had just lowered their or gotten rid of their restrictions on the abortion pill because again, it shouldn't be happening at all because we shouldn't be taking an unborn human life but previously, doctors had to evaluate in person a woman before giving her the pill because it is so dangerous and if she takes it just a little bit after that short window in which it's supposed to be effective in killing her,

[00:27:23] the unborn baby inside of her, then it can be very dangerous for her health and this is not something that just happens occasionally or is a fluke. This happens all the time to women and now, not only did they get rid of those restrictions with the pandemic as the excuse but they've loosened them even more. You can find websites internationally, you can find websites that are very clearly aimed at minors and teen girls saying it's okay

[00:27:51] if you need this pill, here's a way we can get it shipped to you across state lines or even from out of the country and just saying that it's okay, it's safe to take these at home and the truth of the matter is this is hurting women, it's causing girls to be abused like this example of a minor being forced to take these pills and then having to go to the hospital and so we're actually hurting women not to mention killing so many unborn lives because this is not regulated

[00:28:21] and so many people are just, doctors, who should know better just mailing out these dangerous pills without verifying who they're going to and so it really is just tragic. I could go on about it as you know, Chelsea, but I'm really glad you're highlighting this. Well, we have to highlight it because no one else is, right? So the abortion industry has a vested interest, a financial interest, a political interest in hiding these women's stories. You know, they always say shout your abortion except if you regret it or accept it, except if you're

[00:28:51] traumatized or there's a complication or accept in all these scenarios, they only want one voice heard and so I'm here, you know, obviously to advocate on behalf of vulnerable unborn children, but what about these vulnerable women whose partners, you know, other ways that we are seeing it abused in the headlines are men who are essentially, the women are unknowingly being poisoned with the drug and think that they're having a miscarriage, but it's their abusive partners. We're also seeing human traffickers take advantage of this

[00:29:20] because the abortion industry and human trafficking industries are inextricably linked. The Beasley Institute had a study on this. They have to rely on each other to operate and the list goes on and on and the reason I'm highlighting it is because this is a prime example. You might live in a state where you think children are protected, but because district attorneys, they issued a signed extradition warrant into New York against this doctor who's been harming

[00:29:50] women in their state. And New York is covering for her, aren't they, this doctor? Aren't they, Ethan? You know, New York is saying we're going to shield this abortionist. We don't care how much harm she causes, how many women end up in the ER or dead because of her. And I know that there are two women in one parish alone in Louisiana who died last year after speaking to a DA there. And there's not really a lot of legal recourse it sounds like that can be done right now under current law. Is there, Ethan? It's certainly

[00:30:19] a constitutional crisis or one in the making, I think. And what this really highlights to me is that when Democrats across the aisle, they like to yell about their, our democracy and on a variety of topics. And really, this just shows you that when they say our democracy, it's really just the things that Democrats like, whether it's a federal bureaucracy, mass migration or abortion. because if democracy truly was their highest priority, then they would respect the wishes of people in red states like Louisiana and Texas that said, hey, we don't want this happening in our

[00:30:49] communities. And I really think the even more nefarious part about this sort of mail order abortion industry is the doctors are abandoning all pretense of this being, oh, it's just medical care. We just want to help you make a medical decision because they're not examining these people, not even talking to them over the phone. They have either this profit motive like you mentioned or even more cynically, I think, an ideological reason to make sure abortions are as widespread as possible. And that's because they have to reject the idea that humans are called to have children and have families. That's like basically

[00:31:18] why we're here, I believe, in a fundamental sense. And those are the fundamental building blocks of a sort of traditional society. And these people, they don't like that. They don't care for that. They see that the family unit is where conservative traditional political values tend to be fomented. And so they have to put a stop to that in any means necessary and tell people that, hey, having a kid is not a beautiful thing, even under less than ideal circumstances. They have to tell you that that is something you need to be unburdened by. In the words of Kamala Harris, they need to be

[00:31:47] unburdened by this child. And it's really just a sick way to sort of, I mean, to use a religious term, evangelize their anti-human, anti-family worldview. And so I think absolutely this is against the spirit of the Donald's decision, which wanted each state to be sovereign on this issue. And it really creates a real crisis for libertarians and conservatives across the board. Yes, and I think you really hit the nail on the head when you talked about how misled women are. You know, we're talking about

[00:32:18] generations of lies that have seeped in about the only way to be successful is to sacrifice your children, that you can't do it if you're alone, or even just, I think, predatory abortion practices where they say, you know, this is going to fix all your problems, but women leave the abortion clinic and return home to the exact same circumstances that brought them in to begin with. And in that vein, you know, women are a second victim of abortion in many respects, especially when they're lied to.

[00:32:46] And so it's really on us to say, what can we do about this? And of course, I work for Human Coalition, but I work on this bill designed to allow women and their partners, their grandparents, and to sue for wrongful death on behalf of their children or even for personal injury when they're injured by these drugs across state lines. I think it's a really strong, clean, legal way to do this because we have district attorneys who often have committed to never prosecuting. You've got state shield laws like New York

[00:33:16] where they're saying we'll never ever allow you to regulate, you know, these predatory abortion practices. Instead, it just leaves it in the hands of the people. If a woman loses her fallopian tubes, if she's damaged or on behalf of a dead, unborn child, you could sue, I think that would change the landscape in a really strong way. We'll get back after this short break. We're going to turn to some news about the new HHS secretary.

[00:33:55] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable where Liberty, Ethan, and I are discussing the newest confirmation, which is, you know, Robert S. Kennedy Jr., who was confirmed as the secretary of HHS. This was a hard-fought battle as the Democrats filibustered, I think, into the night before his official vote took place. And we all, you know,

[00:34:24] if you have been following those confirmation hearings, there is no shortage of fireworks at him, particularly out of those, you know, we saw Elizabeth Warren who was yelling about vaccines and all of the debate surrounding him. So we can talk about any and all of that today, but we were just discussing, of course, the very sobering crisis of abortion drugs flooding into states without really any regulation or safeguards for mother or child. And, of course, I wanted to

[00:34:53] discuss this next because one of the things that can be done, in addition to, by the way, you calling your state senator or representative, which I highly recommend, go look up your state senator or representative and call them, tell them what you want action on this issue. But the other way to go about this is through the Department of Health Services, through the administrative state, because housed in HHS is we, you have the Food and Drug Administration

[00:35:22] and the FTA is charged with creating safety protocols and adhering to federal law. And it's currently, if you don't already know, illegal to mail abortion drugs under the Comstock Act, which is an old law that is now reinforceable after Roe was overturned, it's just simply not being enforced. So that's a great place if President Trump is inclined and looking to start finding ways that he can personally save lives of unborn children in our country. It's to say, one, we're going to,

[00:35:51] we're not going to mail abortion drugs anymore. That's a federal crime already. Two, the FDA can put in those safety protocols they rolled back under President Biden that you were alluding to, Liberty, where you're requiring her to get follow-up care. You're requiring her to see a physician so that she can get help if she needs it. You're requiring a level of safety protocols. And so I wanted to start there and see what stood out to you, Liberty, about not just RFK's nomination, but the position that he'll be in

[00:36:20] over this particular administration for this time. I will say that I was encouraged to read the article that you sent out that's posted on the website just because at first I was a little unsure purely from the pro-life standpoint because, you know, having somebody in the administration and over the HHS that is not pro-life would be a concern as a pro-life American. But I am encouraged to see that he has displayed

[00:36:49] really an open mind when it comes to this issue and has listened to a lot of the arguments. And I think that the argument, the arguments surrounding the abortion pill and chemical abortion, like you said, enforcing laws that are already on the books, looking at the risk to women whenever this is completely unregulated. These are things that I think really any reasonable person can get behind. And so the fact that he's already

[00:37:19] kind of shown that he does have an open mind and he's willing to listen to pro-life advocates on these concerns, that gives me hopes that maybe he will implement those as well because these are really just common sense protections that should be in place for women's safety. But it has to be the starting point. If we want to tackle the big issue of chemical abortion, then we need to start with the things that you were saying, the laws that are already here and regulating it so that it's not wreaking havoc on women's lives like it is currently.

[00:37:48] Great points. Ethan, feel free to dive in. Sure. Yeah, so I think the best thing or one of my favorite things I've heard Liberty say there was RFK is open-minded and that's really my biggest selling point for RFK because I don't agree with him on some of his environmental issues or again on some of his very pro-choice stances. But RFK, he's really all about disrupting settled science and that's what I wanted to see at HHS. You know, I had years of high school and college stolen from me by authoritarian COVID lockdowns under the pretense of settled science

[00:38:18] so I am tired of hearing about settled science and I want someone who's a bull in the china shop and is going to challenge that. And then on a deeper level, I think RFK's nomination really illustrates perfectly why Donald Trump's party has been so successful because it's a big tent party that welcomes in any people who want to make America great again. They welcomed in RFK even before he shifted on abortion because Trump and company knew that he'd agree with them on the 80-20 issues and would help accomplish those goals and then we saw that he ended up shifting our way on the abortion topic anyways

[00:38:47] which was a nice cherry on top and proof that we can reach people on these issues. The left, they lost out. They cast RFK out because he deviated from them on settled science and vaccines and COVID mandates but the GOP is playing very prudent politics here. They're reaching across the aisle and working with people on what they're willing to work with you on and then maybe, just maybe, you'll end up shifting them your way anyways. And one more point on this, it reminds me of an article I wrote back in October called Make America Graceful Again which is all about showing grace to people who have made mistakes in the past or have shifted their viewpoints

[00:39:17] and Donald Trump embodies this perfectly because it's not really about grudges or vendettas for Trump. RFK ran against him and claimed to be the only one who could beat Trump. Trump didn't hold that against him. He wanted a win for his legacy and a win for America and saw the potential RFK brought to the table. Trump's done this with DeSantis, with Ted Cruz, with other former opponents in the past and I guess I'll leave you with a quote that I really like is that we must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves when it comes to these issues. We should be wise and prudent and think about, okay, is this person making a genuine shift and are they really willing

[00:39:47] to be a good faith partner but also accept them at face value sometimes when it's beneficial to us. Yeah, you raise so many interesting points, Ethan, because, you know, one, and I wouldn't be, you know, here if I weren't to push back a little and say that it was very politically expedient for President Trump to capitalize on RFK as an independent candidate and bring him into the fold because he needed those voters, right? He needed those voters. So it was helpful to him but in addition, I think what we are seeing and I've heard this

[00:40:16] and you see it across the board no matter what issue we're talking about is that President Trump expects his administration to move in lockstep with the agenda he has set. I don't know if I've ever seen more, a president expect more loyalty both in issue and public. They're all speaking from the same page. They all have the same talking points. I mean, the assignments have been given very specifically and clearly and you're seeing his administration execute that and I think that

[00:40:46] when we're looking at RFK specifically, you know, we do have a lot of public outcry about our food crisis, about what has all the chemicals, everything that's been put in our food in addition to our water systems. I mean, in this article on pointofview.net, we had Kristen Hawkins of Students for Life. They have done unprecedented research on the impact that chemical abortions are having on our water and if you don't, you got to think this one through if she's having her abortion at home, that means she is essentially

[00:41:16] flushing not just her child and the waste and placenta but they found three active abortion drug enzymes in the water in seven different cities across our country. So go to studentsforlife.org and learn. We need to know what's in our water system. This includes in the city I live in. They found it and those active enzymes, you know, what that means is they're active. They're not just these dormant issues. This is impacting our fertility rates potentially. You know, they're saying

[00:41:45] that the cattle ranchers have been talking about astronomically high numbers of cattle miscarriages and they're starting to pinpoint the why behind that and, you know, Liberty, all of that's going to be before incumbent upon, you know, RFK Jr. now as the secretary to pay attention to that research because say what you will about abortion, he certainly is an environmentalist. He's an environmental lawyer. He certainly is, has an interest in protecting

[00:42:15] our water systems from dangerous abortion drugs which the FDA should have been testing before they approved the use of these drugs and these methods. Absolutely and I think that this is, you know, an issue that again, like Ethan was saying earlier, a large group of diverse people can get behind. Yes, absolutely. Well, before we go, Liberty, tell our audience where they can follow up on you and all the projects and good work you're doing. Well, you can go to knowhypodcast.com. We're also on YouTube now so look for Know Why Podcast

[00:42:45] on YouTube. Thank you, Liberty. Thanks for being with us today, Liberty. You had such great insight if you didn't listen earlier to last hour where we broke down some end times. Biblical viewpoints go there and then of course thank you for joining us today, Ethan Watson. We appreciate your strong voice and intelligence on all of these issues. It's been a busy Tuesday but thank you for joining us today. Have a great week. In 19th century London,

[00:43:13] two towering historical figures did battle, not with guns and bombs but words and ideas. London was home to Karl Marx, the father of communism and legendary Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon. London was in many ways the center of the world economically, militarily and intellectually. Marx sought to destroy religion, the family and everything the Bible supports. Spurgeon stood against him,

[00:43:42] warning of socialism's dangers. Spurgeon understood Christianity is not just religious truth, it is truth for all of life. Where do you find men with that kind of wisdom to stand against darkness today? Get the light you need on today's most pressing issues delivered to your inbox when you sign up for the Viewpoints commentary at pointofview.net slash sign up. Every weekday in less than two minutes you'll learn how to be

[00:44:11] a person of light to stand against darkness in our time. It's free, so visit pointofview.net slash sign up right now. pointofview.net slash sign up. Point of View is produced by Point of View Ministries.