Point of View December 19, 2024 – Hour 1 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yolen.

[00:00:21] Well, welcome to the Millennial Round Table on this beautiful Tuesday afternoon. We are so excited to have you with us today because although it is our last Millennial Round Table of 2024, a year many of us are ready to say goodbye to but hopefully not.

[00:00:37] We have so much to cover. We have a heavy hitting show ahead of us today. With us the first hour is going to be Josh Barnes. You know him as the pastor, a pastor and also the host of the YouTube show The Bible Explained. Thanks for joining us today, Josh.

[00:00:56] Thanks, Chelsea. Can't wait to get into it.

[00:00:59] As always, we're going to cover cultural issues both in religious news, but also just, you know, throughout the not just United States, but the world. We are seeing so much happening right now and joining us for the second time to help cover those issues is Steven Mosley. He is a college administrator, a teacher. He taught us well on the show last week. If you weren't listening, go back and catch us from last week on pointofview.net.

[00:01:22] He's also an advocate and works really hard for the school board of Fairfax County from Virginia. Thanks for joining us today, Steven.

[00:01:33] We're going to turn as we begin today with some news. As I mentioned, we're going to cover some cultural news. Cultural Christianism is on the rise and it may not be the typical cultural Christian that you've heard of.

[00:01:47] It's something that I think is so important, Josh, for us to pick your brain about. Then we're going to turn in the show a little bit later to an updates coming from those drones that we discussed last week out of New Jersey.

[00:01:59] I did some research for us. So we've got new theories and we're going to break those down.

[00:02:04] And then in the second hour, Richard Lim is going to be joining us with a brand new guest that we've never had before named Ethan Watson.

[00:02:11] And they'll be joining us to break down political news from around our country.

[00:02:17] But starting first with this concept of cultural Christianism.

[00:02:21] Josh, we have this article on pointofview.net and it discusses really major, even famous atheists who are now calling themselves and referring to themselves as cultural Christians.

[00:02:34] It was somewhat surprising to me. The name at the top of the list who started generating some of this commentary publicly is Elon Musk.

[00:02:40] He's referring to himself and says, although I'm not personally religious and I don't espouse all the biblical beliefs, I consider myself a cultural Christian.

[00:02:50] And this really surprised me because when you think of the pendulum swinging the other way, it's really been deeply unpopular to be a Christian culturally for probably about the last decade.

[00:03:03] Has it not, Josh?

[00:03:06] Yeah, well, definitely.

[00:03:07] And, you know, when we talk about this, Chelsea, one of the things that I'm tempted to do is either talk about only the positive or only the negative.

[00:03:16] And I think it's important that when we see something like this, we say there's at least something really good here that this is a win, I think, for Christianity.

[00:03:28] Maybe it's not the win we need, but it's a win.

[00:03:30] And we'll take the wins we can get.

[00:03:32] And I think when people start seeing that Christianity, true Christianity, proper Christianity produces good things for society, I think that's not the win we want.

[00:03:43] We want the gospel to go forth.

[00:03:45] But at least there might be a good starting point to start sharing the gospel with those people.

[00:03:51] Yes, Josh, it was surprising to me.

[00:03:53] First, I'm going to define it and then we're going to break down what you're referring to in my mind is an evangelizing opportunity, really, with these intellects.

[00:04:00] Because, you know, as I mentioned, for so many years, it's been really unpopular to be a Christian.

[00:04:05] They are running against culture when it comes to things like biblical views on marriage and human sexuality and life.

[00:04:12] I mean, you name it, the biblical views and these, you know, these heartfelt convictions of believers have been under attack really for decades.

[00:04:23] But I would say socially it's been coming to a head a lot since about 2010.

[00:04:29] And there was a season where to be a Christian was to be called a bigot or different names in the book.

[00:04:36] And to see that pendulum kind of swing this other way where now what we're having this article discusses Elon Musk and even across the world and out of the UK, these famous atheists and professors who are saying, well, we see a value add.

[00:04:50] Maybe we don't want to buy in to the core beliefs of Jesus Christ is Lord and came and died for our sins.

[00:04:57] And because we are forgiven, you know, by his blood, we now get to go to heaven someday.

[00:05:03] You know, they don't want to go as far as the salvation message.

[00:05:06] But what you're alluding to, they're seeing the value in traditional Christian viewpoints on the family and the cultural side.

[00:05:14] But of course, Josh, I think of it, too, from from the 90s, you know, living in the Bible belt, being a cultural Christian within the Christian circles has traditionally been kind of a negative thing.

[00:05:26] It's a Christian who maybe comes to church once once a year on the holidays, don't really live out their faith.

[00:05:32] And it's counterintuitive to see this kind of resurrecting as a positive.

[00:05:38] Josh, I'd love for you to speak into that.

[00:05:41] Yeah, I guess I suppose it seems more positive coming from atheists than it does coming from real Christians, because a Christian would have to kind of go backwards to be a cultural Christian.

[00:05:52] But, yeah, I think there's so much to say on this subject.

[00:05:58] But to put it simply, cultural Christianity, while I do recognize there's a positive element to that, it's so obviously ridiculous, right?

[00:06:09] Because it's like saying, you know, I really want a house.

[00:06:13] I just don't want a foundation.

[00:06:14] You know, your house isn't going to stand.

[00:06:17] The reason the only way you can have a house is if you have a foundation.

[00:06:20] You wouldn't have cultural Christianity if you didn't have true Christianity.

[00:06:25] It's a product of true Christianity.

[00:06:27] It's a product of our faith in Christ.

[00:06:29] Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments.

[00:06:32] That's why we keep the commandments.

[00:06:34] That's why we do the things we do.

[00:06:36] And, yes, it does produce positive things for society.

[00:06:39] But if all you want is the positive things for society, then you just want the results of Christianity.

[00:06:44] That's really what they want.

[00:06:46] They want all the results of Christianity while denying the foundation of it.

[00:06:51] That's really profound, Josh.

[00:06:54] Steve, I'd love to get your thoughts in a brief minute here before our next break.

[00:07:00] Yeah, I totally agree.

[00:07:02] Thanks for having me.

[00:07:04] And one of the good parts, like we talked about, is if we want to have those I Love America rallies again, we can have them.

[00:07:10] And they'd be like, yeah, it's about God.

[00:07:12] Who?

[00:07:12] What God?

[00:07:12] Well, Jesus Christ.

[00:07:13] And gives us the opportunity to preach the gospel.

[00:07:16] But the negative, of course, is you can have a Christian culture without having Christ.

[00:07:20] And I think that's what everyone and others need to see.

[00:07:23] Like, you like the results, but you've got to love the Savior to get those results.

[00:07:27] But it is an acknowledgment still.

[00:07:29] I think, you know, maybe it's an indication that those who are not unchurched, unchurched population, you know, we have a rise in spirituality coming from religions that are outside the church.

[00:07:41] Some, it's astrology we know is on the rise.

[00:07:44] Mysticism is on the rise, particularly among Gen Z.

[00:07:48] And then we have relatively unchurched or growingly unchurched Christian population.

[00:07:53] And what I mean by that is statistics show that Christians now are the least biblically literate than they've ever been in history.

[00:08:01] That means they read the Bible less than they ever have in history.

[00:08:04] Three percent of evangelicals didn't consistently go to church in 2008.

[00:08:09] But as of now, that number has grown to almost one in four believers or espoused Christians who espoused to be a Christian do not attend church.

[00:08:19] But at the same time, we're seeing society and culture change so drastically and really violently reject so much of those core principles and values of a functioning society, whether that starts with the family at home.

[00:08:35] What we're seeing is a response by people who are unchurched saying we want to go back to those Western values.

[00:08:41] More after this short break.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] During the Christmas week, I like to revisit some of the Christmas carols we sing at this time of year.

[00:09:07] In this case, I not only want to talk about one of those songs, but also point you to a film that gives you the backstory.

[00:09:13] Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was known as America's poet and is known for the song I Heard the Bells.

[00:09:18] His story is faithfully told by the ministry Sight and Sound, which is best known for their live theater productions.

[00:09:25] I Heard the Bells was their first ever theatrical release shown in theaters in December 2022.

[00:09:30] It is now available to you to purchase or to stream into your home.

[00:09:34] His song came at the end of a tragedy.

[00:09:37] In 1861, two years before writing this poem, his life was shaken when his wife was fatally burned in a fire.

[00:09:44] Her dress caught on fire and he tried to extinguish the flames as best he could.

[00:09:49] She died the next morning and his facial burns were so severe he couldn't even attend her funeral.

[00:09:54] He grew a beard to cover his burns and often feared that he would be committed to an asylum due to his grief.

[00:10:00] His oldest son, Charles, joined the Union Army without his father's blessing.

[00:10:04] After the Battle of Charlottesville, he fell ill with typhoid fever and was sent home to recover.

[00:10:10] He was able to rejoin his unit and was severely wounded at the Battle of New Hope Church in Virginia.

[00:10:16] Longfellow, a widowed father of six children, the oldest nearly paralyzed, reflected not only on his grief, but the country fighting a war against itself.

[00:10:25] He wrote a poem to capture the dissonance in his own heart and the world around him as he heard the Christmas bells.

[00:10:31] This Christmas season, we need to reflect on the hope we have in Christ, even in the midst of trials and tragedies that surround us.

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[00:11:04] Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are discussing the rise among particularly atheists or non-believing members in society.

[00:11:14] We'll start with Elon Musk, but there is also Mr. Dawson out of the UK and several professors who are now starting to increase this trend of talking about what it means to be – that they espouse to be a cultural Christian, where they're rejecting the underlying faith of Christianity.

[00:11:30] Not to be confused with what we would call cultural Christians in the church body, who are Christians who don't really live out their faith.

[00:11:38] This is the opposite or inverse, I should say.

[00:11:41] And we were just discussing, Stephen, you know, this idea where – in my mind, I viewed this as a form of nostalgia.

[00:11:48] Essentially, when there is so much chaos in our world, wars are on the rise, and the cultural melting pot, not just of America, but the world, religious melting pot, I should say, as well.

[00:12:01] You know, the human heart is seeking truth, particularly these men that are listed in this article on pointofview.net.

[00:12:09] They are – they're intellectuals, and they wake up, and they look around, and we realize that Western culture has changed considerably, quickly.

[00:12:18] And family values look different.

[00:12:20] There's no such thing as traditional marriage anymore.

[00:12:23] And the fabric of society is crumbling, and there's this nostalgia that it looks like, to me, I would call this for those traditional values, for what it means to have order in the midst of so much chaos.

[00:12:36] I view it as a good thing, Stephen, because what it means is there's a curiosity among nonbelievers who are talking like this,

[00:12:45] and a recognition of truth and good and value that comes from the order God has ordained, although not quite yet faith, right?

[00:12:55] It's that entry point.

[00:12:57] I would call it a gateway drug almost to Christianity, and I'd love to get your thoughts on that, Stephen.

[00:13:06] Yeah, well, I would say, you know, funny, we're talking about this.

[00:13:09] Richard Dawkins, about two decades ago, was the same guy who, like, one of the leaders of this atheist movement, right?

[00:13:16] And now he's like, hey, my cousin's been overtaken by non-Christian values.

[00:13:20] The Muslim world's taken over.

[00:13:21] And he's like, wait, maybe that Christianity wasn't too bad.

[00:13:25] Wasn't too bad.

[00:13:27] Same thing with Elon Musk, and not in the atheist part of it, but Elon Musk is saying, hey, you know, these Christian values, so he's clear he's not a Christian, they're good.

[00:13:36] And, of course, they are.

[00:13:37] You know, the great verse in James.

[00:13:39] In James chapter 1, it talks about the law of liberty.

[00:13:42] And it says that the word of God is a law of liberty, and all who, you know, it's kind of like a mirror.

[00:13:46] You look in it, and it reveals itself.

[00:13:48] And with this law of liberty, the principles of God's word works for everyone.

[00:13:52] And what they are realizing, and this is a great thing, they're realizing that they may have, in one case, Richard Dawkins being anti-Christian.

[00:14:00] Another, Elon Musk, who's saying, look, I'm not a Christian, but I agree with the values.

[00:14:05] They're realizing that they want freedom, and Christianity protects freedom for all, including those who do not know Jesus Christ as Lord.

[00:14:15] And so, one, since that's such a great thing, and as Christians, we can talk about that, and we can use that as apologetic to say, hey, even atheists are starting to realize that Christian values are beneficial for society.

[00:14:25] So, let me tell you about some of our Christian policies that would be so beneficial to this society.

[00:14:32] Well said.

[00:14:33] You know, it almost is this concept, Josh, I'm going to turn to you here because I'm going to do my best not to butcher the theology of this, but the theology of common grace is almost, this is almost, in my mind, a social experiment in that.

[00:14:45] Because common grace, it's my understanding is that, yes, while God allows there to be good in the world without him as a grace, the truth is, biblically, there is no such thing as goodness, joy, patience, equality, justice.

[00:15:00] Those are concepts that come from God and God alone, and in a society that is godless, those things cease to exist.

[00:15:09] And I just wanted to put a finer point on that, Josh.

[00:15:12] Please feel free to take it from there.

[00:15:15] Yeah, you know, I think probably I would put this in the category, but I don't think you're wrong to talk about common grace, which usually we use to refer to just the daily benefits that every person enjoys.

[00:15:29] They don't deserve it.

[00:15:30] It's common grace from God, you know, the fact that we're all breathing right now, whether you're a believer or an unbeliever, it's common grace.

[00:15:37] But I would maybe take a little bit of a different theological approach to it, and I would think about it from the perspective of Romans chapter 1 and chapter 2.

[00:15:46] We talk about this general revelation that's given to all people.

[00:15:50] And it talks about how, in Romans 1, how because we see creation, we know there's a God, and therefore we're accountable for it.

[00:15:59] And then in Romans 2, because we have a conscience, we know there's a God, and we're accountable to him.

[00:16:04] So there's this general revelation that God gives to all people.

[00:16:08] And this is why even a man like Richard Dawkins can't deny that, in general, the Christian culture and the commandments of God tend to be better.

[00:16:19] He can't explain why that's the case.

[00:16:21] He can't explain why it even is better.

[00:16:24] He doesn't even have a basis for the word better.

[00:16:27] Where we do, it's what God has commanded, and God is the moral good.

[00:16:32] The moral good stems from him.

[00:16:35] But this is why I say that I think, and you've mentioned it, and I think actually all three of us have mentioned this already in this half hour,

[00:16:43] that this is an apologetic, this is a great opportunity to reach out to people like this and say,

[00:16:53] don't you realize that if you like cultural Christianity and you're not a Christian, this is a massive inconsistency.

[00:17:01] You are operating with a massive logical fallacy in your own thinking.

[00:17:07] You want to rewind the clock from Romans 1 where it says, you know, he gave them over into uncleanness and all of this stuff.

[00:17:13] But you only want to rewind back to the place where you know God and you glorify him not as God.

[00:17:18] You don't want to go all the way back to actually glorifying him as God.

[00:17:22] And what you're going to do is you're just going to produce the same thing again.

[00:17:25] And we're going to go in the same cycle over and over again because you don't want to go back to the beginning where you actually turn to God himself.

[00:17:34] And so I think this is a great opportunity.

[00:17:35] And as Christians, I think we should look at it that way.

[00:17:38] How can we call these children of God by creation, though not children of God by salvation,

[00:17:47] these people made in the image of God whom Jesus loves and whom he's not willing that they should perish,

[00:17:53] how can we use this as an opportunity to call them to their maker and creator and savior, Jesus Christ?

[00:17:59] Absolutely, Josh.

[00:18:00] And as another extension of that to, you know, someone who might be more the traditional form of a cultural Christian,

[00:18:07] a believer who believes in God but, you know, isn't necessarily practicing or going to religion or reading their Bible,

[00:18:14] you know, an encouragement to them right now to say, you know, there is no life and joy and hope outside of your salvation.

[00:18:23] And to say now's a great time to just pick up your Bible and just start by pick up and start.

[00:18:29] I would start in Matthew 1 and just read, read a few verses a day, start praying again,

[00:18:34] because I think we're seeing in society we can't afford to not be in the word and surrounded by the Holy Spirit.

[00:18:43] He is our strength and in our comfort and time of need.

[00:18:47] And now's just a great time in this Christmas season to just take that up again and say,

[00:18:52] I'm going to rededicate and commit my life and my time to my faith because he loves us and is there for us.

[00:18:59] And to tap into that is so important. We are going to shift now to a very different topic.

[00:19:05] So I don't have a great transition for this topic, but I did want to really piggyback on a concept we talked about before last week.

[00:19:14] And it's one we've all been seeing in the news. And that is the drones out of New Jersey.

[00:19:19] There's been a lot of developments pretty quickly, a lot of theories coming out.

[00:19:23] And I just want to really highlight those theories. Last week, we talked about the first theory for these drone sightings,

[00:19:29] which have been, I think now in the thousands in New Jersey over the last month to six weeks being reported.

[00:19:36] You know, it started out as an alien conspiracy theory, which I will say our government allowed to really get some roots.

[00:19:43] They never denied it. They just kind of said, we don't know what this is.

[00:19:47] And some refer to that as Project Blue Beam.

[00:19:50] We did break that down with Josh last week, this idea of aliens and extraterrestrial life.

[00:19:56] And why is the government wanting us to buy that right now as a PSYOP?

[00:20:00] So don't forget to go back to last week on pointofview.net and read it.

[00:20:03] But after the break, we're going to really continue this discussion in a deeper way.

[00:20:08] The newer theories that have come up, one being that these drones are from a national enemy.

[00:20:16] Iran was put out there from a government official end of last week.

[00:20:21] I've heard rumors that there's a Chinese ship that they're coming from out in the Atlantic,

[00:20:27] although not substantiated publicly by the Pentagon, of course.

[00:20:31] And then the third theory I'm trying to keep this organized, guys, is that it's our own military.

[00:20:37] And two things that they could be doing.

[00:20:39] One, searching for something.

[00:20:41] Or two, practicing.

[00:20:44] And so I've got more details on those theories.

[00:20:47] I think it's one we just were seeing in the news.

[00:20:49] But it's one for us to be aware of just as Americans, what's going on on our East Coast.

[00:20:54] If you live in New Jersey, if you live in New York or that surrounding area,

[00:20:57] I know that it's on the tip of everybody's tongue and ideas that they're talking about right now.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:23:14] Welcome to the Millennial Roundtable where we are turning our discussion now as a follow-up to,

[00:23:20] we should come up with a name for this, but Dronepocalypse 2024.

[00:23:26] That sounds too scary actually.

[00:23:28] But we've essentially, last week, essentially rolled out the first theory for what these drones in New Jersey are,

[00:23:35] which are Project Blue Beam.

[00:23:37] If you haven't heard of that, it's a theory from the early 90s,

[00:23:40] that the CIA and government were coming up with a government PSYOP or smoke and mirrors

[00:23:46] to essentially startle the American people into allowing them to have more control by faking an alien invasion.

[00:23:56] Okay.

[00:23:57] That has essentially been rolled out because I think we can look at the drones and tell exactly what they are,

[00:24:03] that they are not, in fact, alien.

[00:24:05] And also, they all go home at about 11 p.m. every night, and I don't think aliens have a curfew.

[00:24:11] So we've rolled out aliens.

[00:24:12] Go back to the show last week and listen to our – actually, we had a great biblical discussion on that topic that Josh was really helpful on.

[00:24:21] But we're going to turn now to rumor number two, and this has been substantiated in some respects.

[00:24:29] There was a military Pentagon official who was on MSNBC and essentially said there is a possibility that these drones are coming from –

[00:24:37] I'm going to call it an enemy nation – that they're coming out of the Atlantic,

[00:24:42] potentially from a warship that's out there,

[00:24:45] and that that activity, we don't really know what they're doing.

[00:24:48] That's still a viable theory.

[00:24:50] It hasn't been confirmed or denied by our government because our government is not telling us what's going on.

[00:24:57] So that's a viable theory.

[00:24:58] But I really want to focus here on theory number three, which is that these drones are from our military.

[00:25:03] And so there's two sub-theories here.

[00:25:05] One is that these drones are from our military, but the question still remains what is it they're doing.

[00:25:11] And if they are our military, I think that fills in some gaps for us on why the Department of Defense has not come forward

[00:25:18] and claimed them as our own or said what they're doing because it's a matter of national security.

[00:25:24] And that's probably why there's so much quiet on this front.

[00:25:27] President-elect Trump did come forward and say our government knows exactly what they are,

[00:25:32] exactly where they're coming from, and why they're there.

[00:25:34] And so he was willing to make a public statement, which I think is good.

[00:25:39] We need strong leadership right now.

[00:25:41] The point of me wanting to really talk about this with both of you is that I think the American people,

[00:25:47] we have enjoyed a semblance of peace on the home front, right, for a very long time now.

[00:25:54] And that is not the case in the rest of the world.

[00:25:58] You know, we're seeing these wars and these proxy wars in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe and in Russia,

[00:26:04] everywhere in Africa, ethnic cleansing, religious.

[00:26:06] I mean, we're seeing violence progressively expand throughout the world.

[00:26:10] We've enjoyed relative peace, haven't we?

[00:26:13] I'm going to start with you, Stephen, and would love to kind of get your thoughts on that as I want to make sure that we as Americans

[00:26:19] aren't too comfortable and are aware of what's going on militarily.

[00:26:27] Yeah, I think when we talk about peace, we really think about 9-11, right?

[00:26:31] I think for many of us millennials, that's when we had this idea really taken down,

[00:26:36] that we are invincible.

[00:26:39] When you had the attack of 9-11 and close to 3,000 Americans died in one day.

[00:26:45] I think that really took away the idea for us that we were invincible.

[00:26:50] And I think we have a new generation here that you still feel that, right?

[00:26:54] I think for us, we will always remember where we were on 9-11.

[00:26:57] But there's a Gen Z and Generation Alpha have not experienced that.

[00:27:02] And so you do have this kind of myth, well, it is a myth, that you're just always safe no matter what.

[00:27:07] And so when we talk about security, that can be a real concern.

[00:27:11] I know that the administration came out and said, hey, they're not doing any type of military operations,

[00:27:17] no military drones, et cetera.

[00:27:18] But then it leads up to the theories that we're talking about today.

[00:27:21] What about our adversaries?

[00:27:22] What about the country's political enemies?

[00:27:27] And how is America keeping us safe?

[00:27:30] Yes, it's so true, Josh.

[00:27:32] Any thoughts on that?

[00:27:34] Well, you know, I was hoping to get out of this one.

[00:27:38] It's funny that I was very interested in that conversation on the aliens the last time.

[00:27:45] And this one I want to stay off out of.

[00:27:48] Basically, the way that I see this is I'm one of those forever skeptics.

[00:27:52] So people start saying, oh, I'm seeing lights in the sky.

[00:27:55] I'm like, yeah, whatever, you know, I don't believe it.

[00:27:58] And then the government comes out and says, oh, it's nothing.

[00:28:01] And now I'm like, oh, wait, there's something to this because I don't believe the government.

[00:28:05] So, you know, I don't know what to think about this one, honestly.

[00:28:09] It is weird.

[00:28:10] It is a little unnerving.

[00:28:11] I am going to feel way better about these kinds of things once we have an actual president in the White House.

[00:28:18] But I suppose from a Christian perspective, I just kind of like to encourage myself and encourage our church,

[00:28:27] encourage people that I talk to that, you know, these types of things, while they're certainly concerning,

[00:28:33] and as citizens we should insist that our government protect us.

[00:28:36] That is the job of a government.

[00:28:39] That's the only job of a government is to protect its citizens.

[00:28:43] But at the same time, we shouldn't have this mass hysteria that I think is starting to form about these things.

[00:28:52] As Christians, we're not given the spirit of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

[00:28:58] We trust in the Lord.

[00:28:59] We know he's got our future in his hands.

[00:29:02] In the meantime, we still insist that our government take care of these types of things.

[00:29:05] So this is concerning and we want to take care of it.

[00:29:09] Well, Josh, I'm glad you didn't get out of that because all of that was a really helpful perspective for us to hear.

[00:29:15] You know, I'll add to it, though, that I don't think this is something we need to be deeply afraid of.

[00:29:25] And I have a few reasons why.

[00:29:26] So I like to do the research so you don't have to.

[00:29:29] I like to look through all the news so you don't have to.

[00:29:31] And I have discovered a few answers that I think are going to be my most viable theory here.

[00:29:37] One, there was an uptick in New York in two different locations on the – there is a map called the Geiger Counter World Map.

[00:29:49] And it's a tool that monitors global radiation levels.

[00:29:52] And it flagged two areas in the New York metro region as red this week,

[00:29:57] which means that the safety threshold for radiation in those areas were higher than the recommended amounts.

[00:30:06] Okay, so that does not sound good.

[00:30:07] But the first theory here is that these drones – and there has been an expert on the drones saying that they're being utilized to actually monitor radiation levels in the region.

[00:30:19] And because world wars are on the uprise and because President Biden really gave the green light for Ukraine to use U.S. missiles against Russia and Russia's countering with some threats,

[00:30:31] that they're just going above and beyond to really monitor this region and specifically for radiation.

[00:30:38] So that's one theory.

[00:30:39] But there's another one that I think is really interesting.

[00:30:43] And this came from an insider who published, I believe it was MSN last week.

[00:30:49] But, of course, you can go to pointofview.net and read our articles.

[00:30:53] And what he was saying is these are practice drills, that there are two military bases, one in – and it's a corridor in New Jersey up to South New York.

[00:31:01] And that this is our own military practicing with our own equipment, which explains why they go home at 11, their dawn-to-dusk operations happening.

[00:31:12] They're pretty consistent.

[00:31:13] There are so many of them.

[00:31:15] That also explains why our government's not talking about it.

[00:31:17] And so for us as Americans to say we want our government to be on the cutting edge of technology, we want them to be aware of what's going on in the world.

[00:31:25] And then I found an Israeli news website that was very enlightening because I don't think our American news has been covering this.

[00:31:35] But Israel has undergone really years now of drone attacks from Iran, from Hezbollah, from Hamas.

[00:31:43] And the difficulty with those drone attacks specifically is that they go under the radar.

[00:31:48] They're made out of nonmetallic materials.

[00:31:50] They don't show up on traditional screening.

[00:31:54] And they have had as many as 60,000 Israeli citizens have to leave regions because of those attacks.

[00:32:02] There's been a high mortality rate.

[00:32:03] They're using the drones to essentially conduct business that, you know, drop dirty bombs as well as watch and monitor the citizenry.

[00:32:14] So I don't know if you guys have been hearing about that.

[00:32:16] But it looks like the title of that article was that drone warfare is the warfare of the future.

[00:32:22] And I'd love to get your thoughts, Stephen.

[00:32:24] I'll start with you on that.

[00:32:29] Sure.

[00:32:29] And I just want to piggyback on what was said earlier about Christians.

[00:32:34] We want to make sure that we have a spirit of love, truth, and a sound mind and not one of fear.

[00:32:38] And I will say, be involved in civic engagement, that one of the things I've seen from the populist movement and from Christians in it, unfortunately, is this idea of fear.

[00:32:48] Through secret text messages and secret chats and how that is just, in some places, run amok in our churches.

[00:32:55] And I would say, listen, we need to be about truth.

[00:32:58] It's okay.

[00:32:59] We should discuss these theories, but understand they're theories until proven.

[00:33:02] And we are the people who are called to prove them true.

[00:33:05] But at the same time, not given to fear, but has faith.

[00:33:08] You know, trust that the Lord's going to take care of us.

[00:33:11] And so, you know, even with, you know, the theories that we're discussing, even today, I'm like, okay, yeah, these are good theories.

[00:33:17] It would be great if our military is prepared.

[00:33:19] I mean, the messages we've heard from the Biden administration, as President Biden is still in charge until next year, is that there's no issue.

[00:33:28] And I'm like, okay, all right, you know, that's what you're saying.

[00:33:31] But I want to make sure we're prepared if it becomes an issue.

[00:33:34] And I wish we got some more facts from this administration about our military.

[00:33:38] Thanks, Stephen.

[00:33:39] More after this break.

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[00:34:01] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are turning our discussion now to really just what's making national headlines as RFK, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[00:34:14] His nomination is moving forward in the sense that he's meeting with senators on the Hill.

[00:34:19] They are beginning the vetting process of him.

[00:34:22] And there's a lot at stake with the position that he has been nominated for.

[00:34:27] And as President-elect Trump's pick over the Department of Health Services for the United States, it's a really huge position to be filled.

[00:34:37] They, as you know, the FDA and our entire drug administration, our food and agricultural regulations will all run through this position, who will be charged with really shaping the future of our food and drugs for the next four years in America.

[00:34:56] So I don't want to understate what a big position it is that RFK Jr.

[00:35:00] has been tapped with filling.

[00:35:02] But I was really encouraged by this particular article, which you can find on pointofview.net, that discusses that Republicans are not taking this position lightly.

[00:35:13] They are asking him very tough questions and not the ones you would necessarily think, especially after Republicans have kind of walked back their pro-life views during the last election in many respects.

[00:35:26] But they're not right now on this vetting process going to just rubber stamp this choice of President-elect Trump's through.

[00:35:34] According to this article and their crucial private meetings, and according to Senator Hawley, who if you haven't followed him on Twitter, go to his Twitter and see what he had to say about his meeting with RFK Jr.

[00:35:43] It was really encouraging if you're a pro-life American, you care about children in the womb.

[00:35:48] And if you want to see the FDA reinstate safety protocols for women and limit abortion drugs, that's going to be crucial that our members ask RFK those questions.

[00:35:59] And then the other thing they're vetting him, which is a rising issue, is how he wants to regulate agriculture.

[00:36:05] So this is an important one.

[00:36:07] Stephen, I would love to get your thoughts on this article when you read it.

[00:36:10] Did it surprise you the issues you're seeing come to the surface as these members meet with this nominee?

[00:36:18] Oh, no, not at all.

[00:36:20] You know, I'm old enough to remember watching RFK Jr. argue with Sean Hannity on Hannity's films almost weekly.

[00:36:28] And to think, like, if you said, hey, on your 2024 bingo card, RFK's going to be in a Republican administration.

[00:36:35] I would have been like, yeah, I'll take you on that bet.

[00:36:37] That's totally not going to happen.

[00:36:38] And I would have lost a lot of money.

[00:36:39] It's amazing to think where we are, the populist movement, the combination of Democrats and Republicans together and uniqueness that comes from that.

[00:36:48] And I think that's what we're seeing here.

[00:36:50] There is some great concerns.

[00:36:51] As a Christian, I have a great concern about RFK, our right life, RFK, especially on that issue.

[00:36:59] To me, that's the biggest one.

[00:37:00] The other issues that Republicans are concerned about are important.

[00:37:04] But what are you going to do on this issue?

[00:37:06] And I think what we need as conservatives from someone who's been a longtime liberal on issues that we've debated against him for decades,

[00:37:15] we need him to come out and say, look, on abortion, this is where I'm going to be.

[00:37:19] On agriculture, this is where I'm going to be.

[00:37:21] I think we are pretty clear where he's going to be on vaccines.

[00:37:23] I think he needs to explain, like, as he's over this, this is where his positions will be.

[00:37:28] Because as a Christian, I want to see healthy food.

[00:37:32] I want to see us protect women, mothers, and babies.

[00:37:37] And he has the power to do that or not do that.

[00:37:41] And so I think that's where we need to focus on him.

[00:37:45] And the commitment stays on moving forward.

[00:37:47] And we're understanding as well, we understand that without RFK and Tulsi Gabbard and some of the populist movement,

[00:37:54] President Trump might not have won those states.

[00:37:57] And so it's more of a campaign promise for President Trump.

[00:38:00] But as Christians who are a main part of this party, we have a right to share, here's what we expect from our administration officials.

[00:38:07] That's true.

[00:38:08] And it's a healthy process because although, you know, the election was a resounding response to four years of President Biden's administration,

[00:38:18] and he won the popular vote, President-elect Trump won the popular vote with 79 million votes,

[00:38:26] that's not to say that the Republican Party itself hasn't noticed how much reshaping there has been

[00:38:32] and reneging on certain traditional values like being pro-life that there has been.

[00:38:38] And that's a healthy dichotomy that there's an accountability in place.

[00:38:42] You know, one thing that stood out to me, Josh, is that the pro-life leaders in the movement,

[00:38:48] those nonprofits, SBA, Students for Life, all those groups,

[00:38:51] one of the reasons the senators are pushing back hard on this nomination choice,

[00:38:56] particularly because he's a liberal or moderate choice,

[00:38:59] is because the pro-life movement is saying we're going to hold that accountability in place, Stephen just mentioned.

[00:39:05] We want you to be asking him what he's going to do about droves of abortion drugs being mailed illegally,

[00:39:11] women ending up in the ER from all kinds of complications.

[00:39:15] But there's also the question that other groups are pushing about, you know,

[00:39:18] his views on how much he's going to be regulating farmers in some of these deeply red states.

[00:39:24] Is there not, Josh?

[00:39:27] Josh, yeah, I know that is a concern.

[00:39:31] You know, my general attitude towards this is, boy, this is really good.

[00:39:37] I wonder if the Republicans are seeing now after this election that this abortion issue isn't going to make them lose.

[00:39:45] You know, maybe they could still win.

[00:39:47] Maybe they're becoming more bold.

[00:39:48] I don't know what's going on exactly, why they're actually fighting for us here.

[00:39:54] But I'm for it big time.

[00:39:57] And I really don't know much about the agricultural side of things, so I probably couldn't comment much about that.

[00:40:02] But, you know, when it comes to that abortion issue, that should be a litmus test for, you know, I don't know, dog walker.

[00:40:09] I mean, everything in the federal government.

[00:40:10] Are you okay with murdering babies?

[00:40:12] Yes?

[00:40:13] Okay, you're out.

[00:40:13] You're not.

[00:40:14] We don't want you.

[00:40:14] It doesn't matter if you're affecting policy because it goes to the character of the individual.

[00:40:19] I think the Bible is pretty clear on that.

[00:40:22] I could close a lot of scripture on it.

[00:40:23] But why take the time to do that?

[00:40:25] I think we know that if we're okay with murder, then there's a problem somewhere along the line where we're willing to draw a line to make, to save face with whoever wants whatever interest groups they have.

[00:40:38] And I think this is good.

[00:40:40] This is a really good sign.

[00:40:41] I'm very encouraged by it.

[00:40:43] It is.

[00:40:44] As well as, Stephen, you know, just to get your political take as well on this thought that, in my view, this battle is almost a now or never type battle at this moment for the pro-life movement with conservatives.

[00:41:00] Because if it's no longer expected that Republican elected officials are pro-life or work to protect children in the womb, work to expand services to their mothers outside of abortion, which, you know, we know Planned Parenthood could get $700 million from the federal government.

[00:41:20] If they lose this battle now, it becomes much easier for that narrative we've been hearing in the future for elected officials on our side to be saying, oh, if you're pro-life, you don't need to be pro-life to win.

[00:41:34] And we know it's such a core value, isn't it?

[00:41:39] It totally is.

[00:41:40] I just want to say Merry Christmas to both of you as we celebrate the incarnation.

[00:41:44] And I want to say, yes, I want to really affirm what Josh had to say about the pro-life position, even for a dog catcher.

[00:41:51] Because here's the thing.

[00:41:52] Right outside the swamp, I can tell you, they don't stay at dog catcher.

[00:41:55] They don't just say, hey, I'll be a dog catcher forever.

[00:41:57] No, they like to move up.

[00:41:59] And if they don't have these key values down, what happens is later there's a concern.

[00:42:04] And it rolls back into what we talked about at the beginning of our podcast today, of this area was, hey, we want a Christian culture.

[00:42:12] Well, guess what?

[00:42:13] A Christian culture comes with right to life, a belief that people are intrinsically valued because they are created in the image of God.

[00:42:20] And I think Republicans are starting to realize, like, hey, we didn't lose the last election and pro-lifers came out.

[00:42:26] But we also need kind of concern because if pro-lifers don't keep coming out, we won't keep winning elections.

[00:42:31] So maybe we should be more life.

[00:42:33] And I really am thankful that we have Christians in Congress that are standing for life.

[00:42:39] We have Christian organizations that are standing for life.

[00:42:42] And then we have Christians, your listeners, everyone's listeners who are saying, I'm getting on Twitter, I am retweeting, I am posting, to let them know you are pro-life.

[00:42:52] And it matters.

[00:42:52] Well said, Stephen.

[00:42:54] Thank you for joining us the last hour, Josh and Stephen.

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