Point of View December 13, 2024 – Hour 2 : Weekend Edition

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Second hour today, we're going to spend about a half an hour talking about the subject of transgender issues.

[00:00:25] And first of all, we still have in studio with us Dr. Mero Matthews and Jeff Mateer.

[00:00:29] And I thought this would be a great way to kind of have a round table because I also want to add to the conversation Robert Knight,

[00:00:36] a former news editor and writer with the Los Angeles Times, an individual that certainly has spoken and written on a lot of different issues

[00:00:44] and of course writes a weekly column that appears in a number of places including the Washington Times.

[00:00:49] If you go to our website right now, pointofview.net, you'll see this one that he's written on transgender delusion.

[00:00:55] And I thought Jeff Mateer probably wants to weigh in a little bit on that Supreme Court case this last week and some of the oral arguments.

[00:01:02] I think Dr. Mero Matthews wants to talk about some of the medical issues.

[00:01:05] But first of all, let's welcome to the microphone, Robert Knight.

[00:01:10] Well, thanks for having me on. I always enjoy being on Point of View.

[00:01:13] I might just mention too a little bit later, we have a Pentadextra commentary.

[00:01:17] She will not be with us today, but her commentary is on congressional bathroom wars.

[00:01:21] So it's amazing how much the transgender issue has surfaced.

[00:01:24] But Robert, for just a minute, let's talk about that because what you have is about half of the country's states argue that in order to actually meet the needs of young people,

[00:01:37] we need to be sufficiently woke.

[00:01:40] We need to provide blocking drugs, cross-sex hormones and the rest.

[00:01:46] But the other half of the states are saying, no, we can ban those.

[00:01:50] And that's why the Supreme Court case in the first place.

[00:01:53] Well, yeah, there is a there has to be a conflict for the court to take it up.

[00:01:58] And the like there are 26 states that have said you can't do this to kids.

[00:02:03] OK, they're minors.

[00:02:05] They're not fully developed.

[00:02:07] You can't mess with their hormones.

[00:02:09] Can't give them puberty blockers.

[00:02:11] And certainly you can't give them surgical procedures that will sterilize them or remove, say, healthy chest from girls.

[00:02:19] The other states are insane.

[00:02:21] OK, I'll just say it.

[00:02:25] This is a weird time in which we'll wake up a few years from now, I predict,

[00:02:31] and say that those people had lost it back then if they thought they could change someone's sex and that they could mess with kids.

[00:02:38] And here's one thing I want to say right out, because often we try to make it a parents rights issue.

[00:02:45] You know, it's a lot of times it's the parents against the schools.

[00:02:48] But there are some parents who go along with this.

[00:02:51] And my take would be nobody has the right to do these things to a child,

[00:02:56] because even parents cannot commit child abuse.

[00:02:59] And this is a form of child abuse.

[00:03:03] And your other guests may weigh in on this, but upwards of 90 percent of kids who have gender dysphoria or even same-sex attraction outgrow it by the time they're in their late adolescence.

[00:03:16] If you leave them alone, if you don't mess with them.

[00:03:18] So to take a child aside and push them in this direction is child abuse.

[00:03:22] Let me come to Jeff Mateer.

[00:03:24] It seems to me that Justice Samuel Alito certainly was asking some very good questions about the ACLU lawyer and the solicitor general and others.

[00:03:36] And again, coming to the same conclusions that this is not working and that quite frankly is dangerous.

[00:03:42] No, it is.

[00:03:43] So interesting.

[00:03:44] I mean, it was an extremely interesting argument because on several levels.

[00:03:48] First, you had a transgender person arguing against the law.

[00:03:54] And so a lot of commentary we saw out there because Justice Barrett, I think Justice Alito avoided using any pronoun.

[00:04:05] But Justice Barrett did refer to the biological female who's become a male as a male.

[00:04:17] Interestingly, Justice Gorsuch didn't speak, so he avoided anything.

[00:04:24] But to your point, Justice Alito probably was the most effective questioner during the argument because what you what what you had arguing is certainly by the solicitor general of the United States.

[00:04:38] So this is the Biden administration, Merlick Garland, solicitor general who was arguing against the Tennessee law and her argument set it tried to play the science card.

[00:04:51] Well, this is you know, we don't want we don't want we don't want you know, state shouldn't get into to the business of practicing medicine and second guessing.

[00:04:58] And that this was a life saving medical necessity that that that that access to these medications obtained through careful consideration involves the doctor.

[00:05:11] And so emphasizing doctor patient.

[00:05:14] But to Mr. Knight's point, I mean, consulting with your doctor doesn't give you the right to engage in child abuse when you can convince a doctor to do that.

[00:05:25] And I think Justice Alito, what he did in his question is, where's the evidence?

[00:05:31] Yeah. And because what we all what we do know is the trend now across the world is we're banning this stuff.

[00:05:40] Yes. And and because you have children who then become of age whose parents this is they've allowed this to happen.

[00:05:48] And the state has allowed this to happen. And they're like, oh, no, I made I made a a horrible, horrible decision.

[00:05:56] And and we're seeing in England and in Europe what we're generally considered more, quote, progressive, close quote.

[00:06:03] Societies are saying, no, this is awful. We're ban.

[00:06:06] We're joining the state of Tennessee and banning these things.

[00:06:10] And so I think it's a you know, you it's always hard.

[00:06:13] You know, sometimes we count noses at the Supreme Court based upon argument.

[00:06:18] And it's it's it's dangerous to do that because I really do want to know what Gorsuch thinks.

[00:06:24] And he was completely silent, which is very unusual for Gorsuch.

[00:06:28] Well, I want to come to Robert because you talked about Justice Neil Gorsuch, normally a solid constitutionalist,

[00:06:33] instead added sexual orientation and gender identity to the Civil Rights Act.

[00:06:37] So what about that? And also just one that we just mentioned just a minute ago from Jeff Mateer,

[00:06:43] because remember when President Barack Obama said, why can't we be more like Europe?

[00:06:47] Well, right now, Europe is banning some of the things that Tennessee is wanting to ban. Right.

[00:06:53] Yeah. Along with Great Britain, you're talking Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark had said no, no more of this.

[00:06:58] And I think other countries are moving in that direction.

[00:07:01] You know, Gorsuch may to this day regret what he did in the Bostock case back in 2020.

[00:07:08] And, you know, because it's unleashed a torrent of legal abuse in the system.

[00:07:15] But here's another case that I don't understand why they didn't take it up.

[00:07:19] Maybe one of these other guests can explain it.

[00:07:22] But they declined a case from a parents group in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, just this past week,

[00:07:30] that challenged a school district policy that said you can't tell parents if a child is transitioning at school.

[00:07:38] Yes.

[00:07:38] And the reason they turned it down, yeah, they upheld the lower court, which found that the parents lacked standing.

[00:07:47] To which I say, so wait a minute, their child hadn't been affected yet personally and plied with these drugs or treatments.

[00:07:56] So you have to wait until your child is victimized before you have standing as a parent to challenge a school policy.

[00:08:03] That's not reasonable.

[00:08:04] But they didn't have four justices willing to take up this case.

[00:08:08] Yes.

[00:08:08] And, you know, it was only, let's see, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Kavanaugh were going to take up the case.

[00:08:17] What's wrong with the rest of them?

[00:08:19] I know.

[00:08:19] I need to take a break.

[00:08:20] I want to come back and maybe talk about that because Gary Bauer brought that up as well.

[00:08:24] It takes four to take, five to win.

[00:08:25] And you couldn't get four justices to say, well, the parents didn't have standing.

[00:08:30] So we've got a lot more to talk about.

[00:08:32] And, again, this article on transgender delusion is on the website.

[00:08:36] Of course, you also have the commentary by Panadextra on the congressional bathroom wars.

[00:08:41] I haven't even gotten to that one yet.

[00:08:42] We have a lot more to cover.

[00:08:44] We'll do that right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:04] Donald Trump has nominated Dr. Jay Bhattacharya to lead the National Institute of Health.

[00:09:10] If you're not familiar with him, he's a Stanford University professor of medicine and health research policy.

[00:09:15] Alicia Finley calls this the revenge of the COVID lockdown skeptics.

[00:09:20] During the pandemic and lockdowns, Dr. Bhattacharya attempted to inject some common sense into the government's policies.

[00:09:26] The head of the NIH during that period was Dr. Francis Collins, who referred to the professor as a fringe scientist.

[00:09:32] Well, Dr. Bhattacharya, along with scientists from Harvard and Oxford, put together what came to be known as the Great Barrington Declaration.

[00:09:40] The tens of thousands of scientists expressed their grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies.

[00:09:50] Once it was published, Francis Collins urged a quick and devastating takedown of its premises in an email to Anthony Fauci.

[00:09:57] In a Washington Post interview, Dr. Collins denounced the declaration as a fringe component of epidemiology and further said it was not mainstream science.

[00:10:07] Of course, we now know who was wrong.

[00:10:09] The lockdowns devastated the economy and stunted school children learning for a generation.

[00:10:14] And social media was all too willing to censor any medical view that contradicted the government's mantra.

[00:10:21] Twitter blacklisted the professor.

[00:10:23] Why didn't others speak up?

[00:10:25] Unfortunately, there was financial incentive to agree with rather than contradict Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci.

[00:10:31] It is all too fitting that Donald Trump wants to put Dr. Bhattacharya in charge of the NIH.

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[00:11:04] Back once again, we have in studio with us Dr. Merrill Matthews, Jeff Mateer, and by phone, we are talking with Robert Knight.

[00:11:10] I might just also point you to his website, roberthnight.com.

[00:11:15] Of course, you can find that because we have his three-page article on transgender delusion.

[00:11:20] And I thought, Dr. Matthews, for just a minute, since you oftentimes are looking at the medical issues, there are some medical topics.

[00:11:27] One is that this has been a moneymaker for some of these hospitals, and you've been on the ethics board of that.

[00:11:33] But you've also been pointing out that some of these lawsuits may begin to end this very quickly because some of these individuals that have been transitioned

[00:11:42] and now want to detransition are bringing very significant lawsuits, aren't they?

[00:11:46] Right.

[00:11:46] A little while back when I was guest hosting for you while you were out, I had Jordan Campbell on.

[00:11:51] Jordan started a – he had been with a large law firm, but he started a small law firm a few years ago to take on these cases.

[00:11:59] So I think there's two or three of them.

[00:12:00] And he's got several cases now, and these are mostly people who were minors when they made the decisions.

[00:12:06] They are now over 18, so they're adults.

[00:12:10] And they are coming back and suing some of these health centers and the doctors who engage in this.

[00:12:16] And with the sense that these were minors, they didn't know what they were doing.

[00:12:20] You're the doctor.

[00:12:21] You're the professional.

[00:12:22] You should have known better when you did this.

[00:12:25] And my own sense is, and I'd be willing to hear Jeff's thinking on this, that if they're successful in suing on malpractice grounds

[00:12:36] and get significant cases, rewards coming from this, that some of these health centers and others will begin to back off

[00:12:45] because either it'll be too costly or they won't be able to get malpractice insurance.

[00:12:49] Sure.

[00:12:50] Robin, let me come to you first, and we'll get to something from Jeff, because that might be part of it.

[00:12:55] As the old line goes, if they don't see the light, they'll feel the heat.

[00:12:59] And it seems to me that whatever decision comes down from the Supreme Court, if some of these doctors and hospitals get sued,

[00:13:06] that would certainly get their attention, don't you think?

[00:13:09] Yeah.

[00:13:09] And the outburst is when they feel the heat, they see the light.

[00:13:14] That's what we've always said about Congress and other things.

[00:13:18] You know, they've got to hear from people.

[00:13:20] Otherwise, they won't act.

[00:13:22] You know, this has gotten so crazy that one of the cases I cite in my column is a California judge who ruled in November.

[00:13:30] It's a Texas father who's trying to protect his son who's 12 years old, and he's James.

[00:13:35] And the mother is a pediatrician, and yet she treats the boy like a girl and calls him Luna.

[00:13:44] And she calls it gender-affirming care, and she got custody of the boy, and she's preparing to do a sex change on the boy.

[00:13:52] You know, as a father, I can't imagine feeling what that father is going through.

[00:13:57] And we've had that father on twice on this program.

[00:14:00] Oh, you have?

[00:14:01] Yeah, Penedicture did one when he first started, and that we had more recently when he lost the case from the California judge.

[00:14:07] And, of course, we have a lot of listeners in California that are probably shaking their heads right now saying,

[00:14:11] you're telling me that a judge says that when one parent thinks this is a bad idea

[00:14:17] and the other parent goes out of Texas to California and finds a favorable ruling that that that can actually go forward.

[00:14:24] And, you know, Bob, my thinking on this is that once these rulings start coming down,

[00:14:30] and once you sit before a jury and you have a person there who is a minor,

[00:14:34] or let's say he or she was 12 or something years, and said they went through this, the doctors told me this,

[00:14:40] my parents went along with it because the doctor said this, and now I'm on constant medication.

[00:14:47] I'll never be able to have children.

[00:14:49] I will have health problems the rest of my life.

[00:14:51] I'm not sure that I'll have a normal lifespan and other things.

[00:14:54] The juries are going to be very, very sympathetic to that.

[00:14:57] Yeah, and that's why – and Jordan's a former First Liberty legal intern from several years ago.

[00:15:05] Isn't that something?

[00:15:05] And we've actually worked with him on some cases.

[00:15:09] He worked on some of our cases that are on related issues.

[00:15:13] But, I mean, the problem that he's finding in those cases, one is, I mean, because – and I would just say follow the money, right?

[00:15:21] And so if you start tagging them on malpractice, then, I mean, look, the medical industry in this country is based on money.

[00:15:28] I mean, that's – unfortunately, it's not about care or what's best for the patient, unfortunately.

[00:15:34] I am sounding like RFK Jr. now.

[00:15:36] I mean, gosh, I mean, maybe I'm up for something.

[00:15:38] Maybe I'll be –

[00:15:40] Deputy.

[00:15:41] Deputy.

[00:15:42] My views on abortion are probably – would exclude for him.

[00:15:48] But the problem Jordan has been having in those cases is, one, because it's all about money there, there are so many roadblocks.

[00:15:57] I mean, they're hiring the big firms who are – it's a scorched earth defense and putting up legal block over – after legal block.

[00:16:07] And one of the legal blocks is the idea of consent.

[00:16:09] And so the issue is the parent giving consent and for – on behalf of the child because – and that's what the doctors and the hospitals are relying on.

[00:16:22] And so you have to get around that consent because if they gave consent, then you really – I mean, if you give consent.

[00:16:29] But the idea, you have to receive informed consent.

[00:16:32] And so the argument in response to the consent argument is, well, it's not informed consent because you're not telling me – I mean, you didn't inform my parents everything that I needed to know about the risk for this type of surgery.

[00:16:46] And that's the issue here.

[00:16:47] Having been in ethics for a while on this medical ethics, the person – the patient can give informed consent.

[00:16:53] But if there's knowledge that the doctor has and the doctor should have known that this was a problem, the doctor should not have provided that care.

[00:17:03] So I think that's where it may end up going.

[00:17:05] And that's why I think when you – normally, as an American conservative lawyer, we don't like looking to international.

[00:17:12] But in this is a case – I mean, you would – that, look, other nations are finding – I mean, that this is not a good procedure.

[00:17:21] And so if you were a doctor in this business, you should be saying, oh, wait a second.

[00:17:27] Maybe there's something wrong here.

[00:17:29] But they're making – I mean, the amount of money they're making to do this procedures is so much.

[00:17:37] That's why they're doubling down.

[00:17:39] Robert, of course, you do have that list here.

[00:17:41] Britain, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark.

[00:17:44] These come from a bioethicist.

[00:17:45] But I thought just before I run out of time, not only does this affect the issue of health care, again, it just shows you the lack of common sense.

[00:17:53] Because you also point out at the annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association, they canceled a session on biological sex saying,

[00:18:03] there's no single biological standard by which all humans can be reliably sorted into a binary male-female sex classification.

[00:18:13] So this insanity or these delusions, Robert, are even making their way into whether or not we can classify bones that we find or various kinds of fossils that we can find.

[00:18:25] Is that true?

[00:18:26] Well, yeah.

[00:18:27] And it's a lot of organizations have given into this madness.

[00:18:30] I think they'll come out of it eventually.

[00:18:32] But I went on the Cleveland Clinic's website, and they have a big page on transgenderism and talking about sex being assigned at birth,

[00:18:42] which is one of the phonier statements that you see in major media.

[00:18:47] I mean, nobody's assigned sex at birth other than what God gives you at birth.

[00:18:51] It's a boy or it's a girl.

[00:18:53] And here's one last thought.

[00:18:56] You know, if somebody came to you and said, your child thinks they really should have three limbs instead of four,

[00:19:03] and they really want to lose a limb, and so they'll feel complete themselves,

[00:19:07] would you think it's okay for a parent or a doctor to lop off an arm or a leg to make the kid feel better?

[00:19:14] Or would they recognize this as a dangerous delusion and not go along with it?

[00:19:18] And most people would say, well, of course they shouldn't.

[00:19:21] Well, then why would you do this to their sexual organs?

[00:19:25] Why would you take a young girl and, you know, you have kids in the audience.

[00:19:30] I don't want to get any more graphic.

[00:19:31] But why would you mess around with people surgically in other cases?

[00:19:37] Well, it's because it's fully ideological.

[00:19:40] It has no biological basis.

[00:19:42] It's not reasonable.

[00:19:43] And it's absolutely immoral to do so.

[00:19:46] You know, we have, I think, 25 or 30 states have laws against genital mutilation,

[00:19:51] which is a practice often done in Africa and other places.

[00:19:55] And it doesn't make any difference if the parent comes in and approves it.

[00:20:00] The doctors can't do it.

[00:20:01] It's against the law.

[00:20:03] It could be.

[00:20:05] Again, I just want to say that if people would like to read your piece,

[00:20:08] of course we encourage people to contact Robert Knight.

[00:20:11] And, again, we do have your website linked there as well, roberthnight.com.

[00:20:17] Of course, you can certainly find his commentaries in the Washington Times.

[00:20:21] Of course, we've picked out a few today from Dr. Merrill Matthews from the Hill.

[00:20:25] So, Robert, I appreciate you being with us.

[00:20:27] And it's always good to have you here.

[00:20:29] But I thought you might enjoy this roundtable discussion today here on Transgenderism.

[00:20:34] Oh, I did.

[00:20:35] And I appreciate these gentlemen's contributions as well.

[00:20:38] Thanks for having me on, Kirby.

[00:20:39] And, again, we'll be watching on Monday because I'm sure there will be another commentary.

[00:20:44] And, of course, when we come back from the break,

[00:20:45] we'll talk about everything from drones to some of the appointments being put forward by, of course, Donald Trump.

[00:20:54] Maybe common sense is breaking out.

[00:20:56] And as we said before, even if they don't see the light, maybe they'll feel the heat.

[00:21:00] And, Dr. Matthews, that piece that you did on some of these lawsuits, I think, are a great illustration of that.

[00:21:05] So let's take a break.

[00:21:06] And I might just mention we also have Pentadexter's commentary, which, again, if you are watching or listening on computer,

[00:21:13] that will be something.

[00:21:14] It will be up in about 15 minutes on the Congressional Bathroom Wars.

[00:21:18] We've talked about that as well.

[00:21:20] And so much to talk about.

[00:21:22] It used to be a quiet December.

[00:21:24] Not any longer.

[00:21:25] Not in 2024.

[00:21:26] So we'll take a break.

[00:21:27] Come back with more right after this.

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[00:23:10] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again, Jeff Mateer and Merrill Matthews in studio.

[00:23:16] And I thought before we move on, one of the things, Jeff, you mentioned just in passing is that we've had a case out of, of all places, Montana.

[00:23:25] And there are some listeners up there in Montana and Wyoming that actually have been ruling against the very kind of prohibitions that the state of Tennessee had and led to the Supreme Court case, right?

[00:23:39] Yeah, so Montana has a law that's similar.

[00:23:43] It's not exactly the same as Tennessee, but it's similar.

[00:23:45] It's a law that banned gender-affirming medical care.

[00:23:50] And on Wednesday, the Montana Supreme Court, so it's in the state system.

[00:23:56] The U.S. v. Scrimetti case was in the federal system, is in the federal system.

[00:24:00] This is in the state system.

[00:24:02] The Montana Supreme Court said that its provision in the state constitution that gives citizens of Montana a right to privacy.

[00:24:12] And I'm even saying it.

[00:24:14] It's hard to say it, but this is what the court said, that their right to privacy causes that law banning gender-affirming medical care to be unconstitutional under the Montana constitution.

[00:24:30] So not the U.S. constitution.

[00:24:32] The arguments in Scrimetti are all based upon the U.S. constitution and federal law.

[00:24:36] This is in.

[00:24:37] And so Montana is an unusual state politically.

[00:24:41] You would think Montana would be – I mean, it's Montana.

[00:24:44] You would think it would be conservative, right?

[00:24:46] They're cowboys and fighting grizzly bears and such.

[00:24:52] But they have a very liberal state Supreme Court.

[00:24:55] They have a very conservative attorney general, a fairly conservative governor, and their legislature is fairly conservative.

[00:25:05] Obviously, it passed this law.

[00:25:07] When the law was being debated, what it was actually – on the other side was that there's a transgender legislator in Montana who got – who they actually – because she was criticizing some of the Republican members,

[00:25:23] actually got censored by the legislature in Montana.

[00:25:28] So it's really interesting politically, but it's under the state constitution.

[00:25:32] And so it's sort of like – think about abortion.

[00:25:34] We know now that abortion is back to the states.

[00:25:37] This is where Montana is.

[00:25:40] Again, I think they're ignoring this.

[00:25:41] I mean, we've been told for so much to follow the science.

[00:25:45] Well, they should follow the science.

[00:25:46] And you made the best point, Dr. Matthews, which is, isn't this gender mutilation at its core?

[00:25:51] Isn't that what this is?

[00:25:53] It absolutely is.

[00:25:54] Absolutely is.

[00:25:55] And you have laws against it in most states.

[00:25:57] So very good.

[00:25:58] I have laws against it in most states.

[00:25:59] And it's considered – not just laws against it.

[00:26:01] It's considered an abhorrent practice.

[00:26:04] Yes.

[00:26:05] Things that people are repelled against.

[00:26:07] And yet it could go on in the transgender issue.

[00:26:11] Well, I just want to put a few more things on the table.

[00:26:13] One is that, you know, I'm holding up here and people have seen this before, the pictures of all the nominees.

[00:26:18] And, of course, we've made a couple comments about Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and don't know if he'll be confirmed.

[00:26:24] Or one of those is Pete Hegseth.

[00:26:26] And I thought I'd at least bring out the fact that the people at the U.S. Military Academy, known as West Point – and I've been there once before to visit it –

[00:26:36] actually had to say, we apologize because when we reviewed our records, we find out that Pete Hegseth was offered admission to West Point in 1999 but did not attend.

[00:26:49] And yet, of course, there have been all sorts of things thrown at him and his nomination, one of which is he lied about saying that he had been accepted to West Point.

[00:26:59] Well, it turns out, if you check the records, no, he actually had been accepted but declined to actually go there.

[00:27:05] And so you're going to start seeing some mud being thrown pretty significantly over the next couple of weeks.

[00:27:11] And so that's why you need to have some discernment.

[00:27:13] But one of the things I will say about this administration – the incoming Trump administration – is they are hitting the ground running.

[00:27:18] Yes.

[00:27:19] He had his America First think tank and he had all kinds of people set up to try to start moving this process along.

[00:27:26] And he is moving very, very quickly.

[00:27:28] And he's saying he wants to get – on day one, he wants to start getting a number of things done.

[00:27:33] And you do need to be able to act on these things when you have the momentum coming in.

[00:27:38] The reason they were not able to repeal Obamacare in 2017 is that the Republicans decided instead of doing – instead of sending the legislation to repeal it and then we'll come back sometime later and we'll pass something instead, they decided to put it together.

[00:27:54] They weren't ready for that.

[00:27:55] And it took them all the way to August.

[00:27:56] And John McCain was the last thumbs down.

[00:28:00] And so they didn't get it done.

[00:28:01] So you need to act quickly on some of these things.

[00:28:04] And, again, you probably have 15, 18 months because, you know, by the time you're running for reelection, again, it doesn't look as well for some of the Republican senators running for reelection.

[00:28:15] Again, it's hard to be talking about 2028 when we're not even at 2025 and, you know, all those kinds of things.

[00:28:21] But, nevertheless, that's the world we find ourselves in.

[00:28:24] And those midterm elections in 2026 are going to come only too soon.

[00:28:28] So that is the case.

[00:28:29] But just put this in.

[00:28:30] I heard today the American Civil Liberties Union is also gearing up quickly.

[00:28:35] They're hitting the ground running because they want to have a lot of lawsuits going against the administration.

[00:28:39] Yeah, so that's where we are.

[00:28:41] One of the things that I did post is by Cal Thomas, No Peace on Earth, because it helps us get into a couple of things.

[00:28:47] First of all, I thought I'd get a comment, if any of you have one, about the acquittal of Daniel Penny.

[00:28:53] If you're not familiar, here's an individual that put a chokehold on Jordan Neely on the subway.

[00:29:00] And we can go back and forth as to whether or not that was an extraordinary restraint or not.

[00:29:05] But most people say that, if anything, if he had been found guilty, would have said that next time you and I want to defend somebody, we might be a little more hesitant.

[00:29:15] Even so, this is one that maybe shouldn't have gone to trial.

[00:29:19] And, of course, the other one is talking about what we've been talking about all this time, the assassination or the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson.

[00:29:30] And, Dr. Matthews, it's interesting because in the last part of the article, he talks about the report from the House Committee on Education and Workforce,

[00:29:37] in which they say Obamacare has increased the cost of health care, Obamacare has increased Americans' reliance on the federal government.

[00:29:44] On a personal, per-person basis, Obamacare is more expensive than anticipated, and the expansion is due in large part to improper Medicaid enrollments.

[00:29:54] Other than that, it's going really well.

[00:29:57] All the things that you warned us about at least a decade ago have come to fruition.

[00:30:03] My guess is that some of the frustration out there from low-income people about not being able to get care is because they're in the government-run Medicaid program

[00:30:11] because so few doctors will take Medicaid because it pays so little.

[00:30:16] So I find this frequently is people end up criticizing the health care system, and what they're criticizing is the government that some government program that they're in, like the VA.

[00:30:28] People have often criticized the health care in the VA, and it's not the private insurance industry, even though they have their problems and they make their mistakes,

[00:30:36] but a lot of times they're actually referring to the government.

[00:30:39] And I wouldn't mind talking about Daniel Penny for just a second because I do agree.

[00:30:47] I think in retrospect, you look at it, it's probably a case that never should have been brought, but the DA obviously has a discretion.

[00:30:55] Of course, we're talking about one of our favorite DAs, Alvin Bragg.

[00:31:00] But nevertheless, to me, it's a testament to the American jury system, and so this is where the jury system got it right.

[00:31:06] And so I think it's hard to be critical when you've got a jury who heard this case and with a prosecutor who had a lot of incentive to go after a conviction.

[00:31:21] But those 12 tried-and-true men and women who served on that jury in New York City, of all places, and got it right.

[00:31:33] And so I think the American justice system is not perfect by any rights, but there really isn't a better system in the world.

[00:31:41] Well, I will weigh in on this.

[00:31:44] As a person who teaches people how to do chokeholds, when I watched the video, I felt he did hold this longer than he probably should have.

[00:31:53] Once you cut the blood off through the carotid artery, then you can let him go because they're out, and he had other people around.

[00:31:59] So if there's a criticism that he held it longer than he should have, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that.

[00:32:05] I'm not holding him, so I don't know.

[00:32:07] But in the heat of a moment.

[00:32:11] And again, the jury heard the evidence.

[00:32:13] Yes.

[00:32:13] And you had a very incentivized prosecutor.

[00:32:16] I know you're not disagreeing with him.

[00:32:18] The jury probably got it right, but it did look longer than I thought he should have.

[00:32:22] And one question I thought I'd just put around the table, and maybe we'll talk about it after the break, is where does poor Daniel Penny go?

[00:32:30] Because, you know, I don't think he even wants to be in New York because he's too identifiable.

[00:32:36] I know that his lawyer took him to a restaurant, said we can sit in the back, and somebody recognized him.

[00:32:41] Fortunately, he came up and said Semper Fi.

[00:32:43] But, you know, where does he go?

[00:32:44] And back to the individual that murdered Brian Thompson, where does their family go?

[00:32:50] Because we talked about this earlier.

[00:32:52] You have a really quality family here.

[00:32:55] They're the Mangiones in the whole area of Baltimore, Maryland.

[00:33:00] And they are getting criticized because of something the son or brother did.

[00:33:06] And where does Daniel Penny go?

[00:33:08] Because he's going to be sued, I guess, by the father of Jordan Neely in a civil suit.

[00:33:13] And, I mean, after a while, it's just like, where do you go to get your good name back?

[00:33:16] I mean, you just, it's really sad about that.

[00:33:18] You go to Texas or Florida.

[00:33:21] Where maybe you'd be treated nice.

[00:33:23] But I just wanted to raise that issue real quickly.

[00:33:26] And then before we're done, we just had to talk about the unfriendly skies.

[00:33:29] We have all sorts of drone sightings everywhere.

[00:33:32] And I thought maybe some comments about that.

[00:33:35] Just before we run out of time, again, I might just mention we also have a link to, of course,

[00:33:40] not only Robert Knight's website, but also FirstLiberty.org.

[00:33:43] We'll come back and talk more about that right after this.

[00:33:55] We are about to have our first openly transgender member of Congress.

[00:33:59] Democrat Sarah McBride won Delaware's lone House seat and will be sworn in this January.

[00:34:04] Since Representative-elect McBride is a trans woman, a biological male,

[00:34:08] there's a bit of uncertainty regarding restrooms and other women's spaces.

[00:34:12] Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina has introduced a couple of measures

[00:34:16] aimed at protecting women and the spaces designated specifically for their use,

[00:34:21] i.e. restrooms, changing rooms, and locker rooms.

[00:34:24] One measure would prevent transgender women from using women's facilities on the House side of the U.S. Capitol.

[00:34:29] The other would extend that ban to all federal property.

[00:34:33] Representative Mace says,

[00:34:34] As a victim of abuse, I'm absolutely 100% going to stand in the way of any man who wants to be in a women's restroom.

[00:34:41] Speaker Mike Johnson has not committed to a vote on either measure,

[00:34:45] but stated that single-sex facilities are reserved for individuals of that biological sex.

[00:34:51] Representative McBride pledged to abide by those rules, quote,

[00:34:54] Even if I disagree.

[00:34:55] Still, over time, compliance will suffer.

[00:34:58] Chris Enloe, writer for The Blaze, says Nancy Mace should be commended for fighting back against the encroachment of transgenderism.

[00:35:05] But on social media, she touts her support for same-sex marriage, stating,

[00:35:09] I voted for gay marriage twice, in fact, and would do it again.

[00:35:12] The Blaze's Chris Enloe points to the dissonance between these two positions.

[00:35:17] He says,

[00:35:17] To support the destruction of traditional marriage, in which functional and biological differences are its most important property,

[00:35:24] is a wholesale rejection of the framework that distinguishes a man from a woman.

[00:35:28] It's right there in Matthew 19, 4.

[00:35:30] God's design for marriage is based upon the way He created us, male and female.

[00:35:36] But society has elevated personal feelings and discarded sex differences as a requirement for marriage.

[00:35:42] We're here, says Chris Enloe, because of those who tried to erase biological realities when it was convenient.

[00:35:48] For Point of View, I'm Penna Dexter.

[00:35:55] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:36:00] Back for a few more minutes, let me just mention that a couple of the articles we have here,

[00:36:04] the Harris campaign in denial, do want to get to that in just a minute,

[00:36:07] and the unfriendly skies, and of course, Penna Dexter's commentary,

[00:36:11] which you just heard if you were listening online,

[00:36:13] the congressional bathroom wars, that is posted on the website there as well.

[00:36:17] I did just go around the roundtable real quickly and just think,

[00:36:20] where does a Daniel Penny go to get his good name back?

[00:36:24] Where does the Mangione family go to get any kind of peace,

[00:36:28] given the fact that their son or brother committed this heinous act?

[00:36:34] And I think the American people need to try to be a little more gracious about some of these issues,

[00:36:40] and that's back to that lack of civility that we seem to have as well.

[00:36:44] I remember the officer who shot, was it Michael Brown in Indianapolis, if I remember right?

[00:36:51] I think you're thinking about the one in Ferguson, aren't you?

[00:36:53] Ferguson, yes.

[00:36:54] And he was justified, but he had to end up leaving, I think,

[00:37:00] and leave the force and other things because he was just persona non grata in that area,

[00:37:06] especially among the African-American population.

[00:37:10] And so, again, something to think about.

[00:37:11] But I just wanted to put that on the table before we got to Karl Rove.

[00:37:15] Now, we don't quote Karl Rove too often.

[00:37:17] You know that, Dr. Matthews.

[00:37:18] But I thought this was very good.

[00:37:20] The Harris campaign and some of these Democrats,

[00:37:23] and sometimes I watch some of these podcasts,

[00:37:26] and I don't recommend it for the faint-hearted,

[00:37:29] there's just the inability to recognize why they lost.

[00:37:33] And I think we just talked about some of those,

[00:37:35] whether it's the BLM issue with Daniel Penny,

[00:37:39] whether it's the issue of transgender that we've talked about here with Robert Knight,

[00:37:43] whether it is Trump's revenge with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya,

[00:37:49] that does seem to me that I just don't seem to understand

[00:37:52] why the American people didn't just come out in droves and vote for a couple of years.

[00:37:55] I mean, it's like an alternative reality.

[00:37:57] I mean, when your campaign chief of staff says,

[00:38:00] we ran a pretty flawless campaign.

[00:38:04] I'm sorry, I just can't not laugh.

[00:38:07] Vice President Harris did all the steps that were required to be successful.

[00:38:11] We hit all the marks.

[00:38:14] What?

[00:38:17] You lost the popular vote significantly,

[00:38:21] and you were trounced in the Electoral College.

[00:38:23] All seven swing states.

[00:38:25] And also, I mean, is this just someone who's trying to get future jobs for Democrats?

[00:38:30] I mean, God bless them, I guess,

[00:38:34] because, I mean, it's probably, if that's their mentality

[00:38:37] and they're not going to learn from their mistakes,

[00:38:39] they're either lying or they're delusional.

[00:38:44] They're probably lying because these are not stupid people.

[00:38:47] They're probably lying.

[00:38:48] But you can be so much in your little silo

[00:38:51] to not know that there are people out there that don't agree with you.

[00:38:53] Yeah, I think from their standpoint, they could say,

[00:38:56] look, we had her out there.

[00:38:57] She did some interviews with Dana Bash and some others.

[00:39:00] She didn't do Joe Rogan, but she did some interviews.

[00:39:03] But she did like four interviews.

[00:39:05] And as Karl Rove said, the DNC, the Democratic National Convention,

[00:39:09] came off very well.

[00:39:10] It looked polished and it went off very well.

[00:39:14] And she raised all kinds of money,

[00:39:17] though apparently it's still $20 million short.

[00:39:21] That's another issue.

[00:39:23] Money was flooding into the place.

[00:39:26] So I, you know, you could say,

[00:39:29] sometimes you could say,

[00:39:31] this is what we went to do and we did what we went to do.

[00:39:35] And you said, yes, but you just did it wrong.

[00:39:37] I mean, they thought that was what would win the election and it didn't.

[00:39:41] And so I, and plus the public was just sour.

[00:39:46] They were turning on a number of these things.

[00:39:48] And it was going to be very, very hard.

[00:39:50] As a vice presidential candidate,

[00:39:52] it's hard to be able to say,

[00:39:54] here's how I'm different from the person I've been with for four years.

[00:39:58] That's a tough thing to do.

[00:40:00] Well, again, you just think if we can go back,

[00:40:02] say maybe 10 years ago,

[00:40:04] and I were to tell you that Donald Trump would win as the president,

[00:40:08] then he would lose.

[00:40:10] And then instead of going off into the sunset,

[00:40:13] we'd come back and win again and be on the cover of Time magazine again.

[00:40:18] I mean, after a while, you're just like,

[00:40:20] nobody would have predicted any of this.

[00:40:23] And yet that is the case.

[00:40:25] But back to this for just a minute.

[00:40:27] Are these just a one-off or is it the inability to recognize that the American people are just not into woke?

[00:40:35] You know, and some of these ideas,

[00:40:38] these toxic ideas are going to be around for a long time and are going to really make it more difficult for other Democratic Party leaders,

[00:40:47] whether it's running for the presidency or even for the U.S. Senate to be elected.

[00:40:52] Because if you're in your little bubble, you're in your own silo,

[00:40:56] and everybody you know thinks that the transgender issue is the winning issue,

[00:41:00] and talking about women's choice is the winning issue,

[00:41:04] you're going to see a campaign two years from now in the midterms that are going to look just like what we just saw.

[00:41:09] And I think that's the debate the Democrats are having now,

[00:41:11] because some have stepped up and said we need to move away from this woke approach.

[00:41:15] But many others said, no, no, this is what we should be doing.

[00:41:18] And the transgender people and so forth are saying you can't abandon us.

[00:41:22] You're the ones who support us, and we're going to be there to support you.

[00:41:26] So anyway.

[00:41:27] And it gives a like, I mean, and likability.

[00:41:30] I mean, she's not very likable.

[00:41:33] Yeah.

[00:41:34] When it comes down to it.

[00:41:35] A better candidate might have done differently.

[00:41:36] And after the assassination attempt with Trump and the rallying of really working class Americans,

[00:41:45] I mean, working class Americans went out in droves.

[00:41:48] That's why the seven swing states did the way they went.

[00:41:54] Trump touched the world.

[00:41:55] I mean, it's always kind of, you know, say you go back 20 years that Donald Trump,

[00:42:00] Wall Street tycoon, real estate tycoon would be the man of the people.

[00:42:07] And lead the Republican Party, you know, Wall Street Republican Party to be the working class party.

[00:42:14] And the Democrats really to be now the party of the elite.

[00:42:18] See, that's really key because the parties, not only are the states in transition,

[00:42:22] the parties are in transition.

[00:42:23] And we don't know where that's going to go.

[00:42:25] Because remember after the Civil War, it was the radical Republicans.

[00:42:28] They were considered sort of the left.

[00:42:30] And the Democrats were considered conservatives.

[00:42:32] Sort of that flipped in the early 1900s and especially with FDR.

[00:42:37] But now we're moving to we may change again.

[00:42:41] I just mentioned that we've done one on realignment of America.

[00:42:44] But my January booklet, which goes to those of you that are donors, is on the realignment of the parties.

[00:42:51] And, again, I wouldn't have predicted that.

[00:42:53] But it used to be that people said, oh, Republican Party, that's the elite.

[00:42:57] That's Wall Street.

[00:42:57] And those are Chamber of Commerce kind of people.

[00:43:00] Some of that's still true.

[00:43:01] And Democrats are for the little people and working people and union people.

[00:43:05] And it is switched.

[00:43:06] I mean, it is completely switched.

[00:43:08] And that is something to think about.

[00:43:11] And, of course, also, I also get into the fact that there's a fertility gap because conservatives are having more children than liberals.

[00:43:18] Christians have more children than secularists.

[00:43:21] And you play that out over time, although we do have an institution called the university trying to convert conservatives and Christians into liberal seculars.

[00:43:29] But, nevertheless, it kind of gives us an indication of what might be happening in the future.

[00:43:35] So just about out of time.

[00:43:36] I didn't get to the unfriendly skies, but we'll probably find out more about the drones.

[00:43:40] Well, neither has the Biden administration.

[00:43:41] So don't feel bad, Kirby.

[00:43:44] Do you think the next administration, if a balloon goes all the way across the country, they might shoot it down?

[00:43:49] Yeah, do you think if we actually have people in charge, they'd take down one of these drones and try to figure out where they came from?

[00:43:56] I think that's the case.

[00:43:57] Unfortunately, right now we have kind of a caretaker president, don't we?

[00:44:00] Yes, we do.

[00:44:01] Yeah, and so that's a concern as well.

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