Point of View December 11, 2024 – Hour 1 : Fellowship International Mission

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View.

[00:00:44] We've been in town because of the pre-trib study group, so we'll get into prophecy.

[00:00:49] So there are a lot of topics we're going to address over the next hour.

[00:00:52] And of course if you'd like to join us, 1-800-351-1212.

[00:00:56] Dr. Paul Baraka is the Executive Director of Fellowship International.

[00:01:00] He's pastored four different churches in Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Jersey.

[00:01:05] Might come back to that a little bit later.

[00:01:06] We've talked about his book, Follow the Master, and also a Discipleship Course.

[00:01:11] But most importantly, he is a good friend and an individual.

[00:01:14] We've done trips to both Israel, Greece and Rome.

[00:01:17] And here we are once again face-to-face.

[00:01:19] Great to be with you and your audience today, Kirby.

[00:01:22] And I just want to wish everyone a happy Christmas season.

[00:01:24] I know that's coming up sooner than we think.

[00:01:26] I think so.

[00:01:27] Well, let's talk about, first of all, you've been in India.

[00:01:30] You've been in Nepal.

[00:01:31] You've been speaking at a place I had a chance to speak occasionally, Word of Life in Hungary.

[00:01:36] But in some respects, you've been traveling.

[00:01:39] Then we had this election.

[00:01:40] I'm sure you heard about it.

[00:01:41] And your argument is that that has changed a little bit.

[00:01:44] And one of those is we're starting to see even more intense persecution of Christians.

[00:01:51] And we've had some of the people from Open Doors and Voice of the Martyrs on this program.

[00:01:56] But speak to that because you are well aware of what is happening right now in some of these countries around the world.

[00:02:02] So I do believe there are implications of the election, of course, in every phase of life.

[00:02:06] But particularly in my area, which is as a missionary director, we met with our missionaries on our monthly online meeting.

[00:02:14] It's the first Wednesday of every month.

[00:02:16] So it was November 6th, right after the election.

[00:02:19] And I was able to share with our missionaries that we see three pretty big implications of a new Trump administration.

[00:02:27] One of them is dealing with the area of persecuted Christians.

[00:02:31] And the persecuted believers around the world have really had very little attention from either the media or the Biden administration.

[00:02:41] In fact, right now in Nigeria, I'm not sure we've talked about it before here on Point of View.

[00:02:46] But what's going on in Nigeria is really very severe.

[00:02:50] And the other thing that we've talked about here, Open Doors Nigeria says that more believers are killed for their faith in Nigeria every year than everywhere else on the planet.

[00:03:01] And it's just this incredible persecution.

[00:03:04] There are estimates that 350,000 people, Christians in Nigeria, have been killed since 2009.

[00:03:13] And that's a variety of groups.

[00:03:15] It's Boko Haram.

[00:03:16] It's the Fulani.

[00:03:17] And I'm just pleased that there will be an advocate.

[00:03:22] As you well know, one of the things that Biden did early in his term was to take the Nigeria off the terrorist watch list.

[00:03:31] And that had a huge implication.

[00:03:34] It kind of gives those who are doing those things more of a green light.

[00:03:38] So one of the implications for missions is a better advocacy and justice for persecuted Christians.

[00:03:44] One of the other ones you talk about, it was interesting enough, we had an expert in here who's actually going all the way back to have worked with Brother Andrew, in which as he was talking about persecuted Christians, he said, I'm also looking at what is happening here in the United States.

[00:03:58] But it does seem that maybe less interference of Christian universities, churches, even Christian schools.

[00:04:13] And yet you look at some of the commentaries I put out about some of the various fines that have been brought against Grand Canyon College, Liberty University, some of the attempts to try to force woke theology on various Christian schools.

[00:04:28] I think a lot of that is coming to an end as well, don't you think?

[00:04:31] Praise the Lord for that.

[00:04:32] Yes.

[00:04:33] In fact, one study shows that 70 percent of the Biden administration's education enforcement was targeted at Christian colleges and universities.

[00:04:43] And what's really shocking about that is that they only comprise less than 20 percent of the universities.

[00:04:49] Now, I think that's pretty clear that there is an intentional bias and many universities.

[00:04:55] In fact, if I am, we go to Christian universities, we go to Liberty and Cedarville and a number of other Christian schools, more East Coast, but Grand Canyon as well.

[00:05:04] And these schools, particularly the larger ones, have been a focal point for the Biden Justice Department in a very, very unfair way.

[00:05:14] I mean, really nitpicky things that other schools had done and just finding a way of harassing Christian universities.

[00:05:22] So that has an implication for missions as well, because, as you know, our missionaries, they're going to be at a Christian school.

[00:05:28] And the Lord has seen fit to give us a more sympathetic administration moving forward.

[00:05:34] I might just mention one other one, and that has to do with a better economy, maybe more giving to churches.

[00:05:40] We had Jack Graham, who you know only so well.

[00:05:43] Pastor Jack Graham was sitting in that chair just about a week ago, and we still have available on our website a video.

[00:05:49] Go to our video section.

[00:05:50] Dr. Jack Graham talks about the Jesus book.

[00:05:53] And one of the things we talked about, and as a matter of fact, I have a commentary coming out,

[00:05:56] the number of sales for Bibles is up 22 percent.

[00:05:59] And it seems to indicate that maybe even giving to churches and Christian organizations and Christian missions may be up as well.

[00:06:07] We'll see how that happens between now and December 31st.

[00:06:10] Well, we see, I'm sure you see it here at Point of View as well.

[00:06:13] Christian ministries depend on the generosity of our listeners, of our patrons.

[00:06:18] Of course, we want folks to be faithful to their local church.

[00:06:20] And above and beyond that, many find giving to organizations such as Point of View and Fellowship International Mission and many others.

[00:06:29] But with a better economy, I think that's a part of it, too.

[00:06:32] You know, the stock market seemed to skyrocket right after Trump's election win in November.

[00:06:39] And so the better economy has a pretty big implication for Christian ministries.

[00:06:44] The U.S. is still the largest financial support for missions around the world.

[00:06:50] And that's one way that our Christian community can be involved is to recognize that there are missionaries who are dependent on support,

[00:06:58] as well as Christian ministries and radio programs.

[00:07:01] And, you know, I was just thinking about one other thing, Kirby.

[00:07:04] We saw the power of a new media, such as podcasts and so on.

[00:07:10] But Point of View has been doing this for a lot longer than Joe Rogan.

[00:07:13] And the impact of that in just the American culture is huge.

[00:07:19] And just so thankful to be sharing that with your audience today.

[00:07:23] Point of View was, I guess, now up to 52 years.

[00:07:26] And before there was Jim Dobson on radio, before there was a Rush Limbaugh on radio,

[00:07:31] before there was Joe Rogan on podcast, there was a Point of View.

[00:07:34] And so that is the case.

[00:07:35] He did mention giving.

[00:07:36] And I'll just mention we do have an hour up now.

[00:07:38] Give the Gift of Truth.

[00:07:40] We have a matching challenge up to $120,000.

[00:07:43] So if you want to be part of that at any time, I know some of you are going to wait maybe to the last week.

[00:07:49] Point of View people always wait to the last week.

[00:07:52] That is the case.

[00:07:53] Hope you aren't waiting too much longer, because after the break we're going to be talking about this trip to Greece.

[00:07:58] It is almost filled, but we wanted to talk about it again, because there's still room for you.

[00:08:03] And we're going to spend some time talking about that.

[00:08:05] And then, since I've got a prophecy expert sitting across from me, a lot of you, especially, that are with Bible Study Fellowship,

[00:08:12] have been making your way through the book of Revelation.

[00:08:15] How do we think about that?

[00:08:16] And are there some things that have surfaced, even in some of the research that some of these individuals have done?

[00:08:22] We're going to share with you some of the cutting-edge material about prophecy,

[00:08:26] because there are a lot of people who have been looking at those issues for a millennia.

[00:08:31] But in some respects, we now know maybe more than we know even in the past.

[00:08:34] So we're going to talk about all of those issues.

[00:08:36] We'll come back, though.

[00:08:37] We're going to talk about our trip to Greece before we get into biblical prophecy,

[00:08:41] because we are privileged to have with us today in studio Dr. Paul Baraka.

[00:08:45] We'll take a break.

[00:08:46] Be back with more right after this.

[00:08:58] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson.

[00:09:02] Yesterday, I talked about some of the tests Glenn Beck proposes in his new book, Propaganda Wars.

[00:09:07] The first three are the liar-liar test, the what-is-a-woman test, and the egg-throwing gorilla test.

[00:09:13] If you don't know what those are, you might consult the transcript for yesterday's commentary.

[00:09:18] His fourth test is the bias test.

[00:09:20] People and institutions are more likely to cite facts that support their ideological or religious views.

[00:09:26] If a secular liberal news source reports something favorable to conservatives or Christians, it is likely to be true.

[00:09:33] The fifth test he calls the bloodthirsty tyrant test.

[00:09:36] If someone supports or calls for violence, you should not trust that information.

[00:09:41] The mainstream media has frequently downplayed the violence and threats from Antifa.

[00:09:46] He argues that if you think your cause is so righteous that it justifies burning cities down,

[00:09:51] then you shouldn't trust that source.

[00:09:53] Another test is the original source test.

[00:09:56] This test is more difficult because you shouldn't always take at face value a statement that isn't a first-hand account.

[00:10:03] It takes time and patience to find the original source.

[00:10:06] Glenn Beck devotes a few pages to show how the false story of 500 people who died in a hospital in Gaza

[00:10:12] was repeated verbatim by multiple outlets.

[00:10:15] A final test is the crazy uncle test.

[00:10:18] Along with Christmas carols and Thanksgiving turkeys,

[00:10:21] one American holiday tradition is getting trapped by a completely absurd conversation with a crazy uncle.

[00:10:27] Glenn Beck suggests we treat the entire social media industry as though it is a crazy uncle.

[00:10:32] You will need wisdom and a degree of skepticism to navigate the propaganda wars in the 21st century.

[00:10:39] I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:46] For a free copy of Kirby's booklet, A Biblical View on Loneliness, go to viewpoints.info slash loneliness.

[00:10:54] That's viewpoints.info slash loneliness.

[00:10:58] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:11:04] Great privilege to have in studio with us today, Dr. Paul Baraka.

[00:11:07] If you'd like to know more about Fellowship International Mission,

[00:11:10] you can go and click on the button there that says Seymour right next to his picture,

[00:11:15] and then scroll down, and that will take you to fim.org.

[00:11:21] And so that's one, but underneath it is also one that says Trip to Greece with a GNC cruise,

[00:11:28] and that is something we've mentioned,

[00:11:30] but I thought maybe even by the time you were scheduled to be here in December,

[00:11:34] we might say, well, it's all full, but fortunately it's not.

[00:11:38] So if there's some people that have been saying,

[00:11:40] well, I'm not going to make a decision until the end of the year,

[00:11:42] not going to make a decision until after the election,

[00:11:44] we do have this incredible opportunity to be in Greece,

[00:11:49] then have a cruise through the Mediterranean,

[00:11:51] and we get to go to all these key sites.

[00:11:54] We call this, again, the Journeys of Paul and John,

[00:11:58] and you and I are both the host along with our wives,

[00:12:01] and so tell us a little bit more about this Greece trip.

[00:12:04] This, I think, is going to be very exciting.

[00:12:06] It is going to be amazing,

[00:12:07] and it will be the second time we've taken Point of View listeners to Greece.

[00:12:11] The first time was after our Israel tour,

[00:12:14] and we had a much shorter time in Greece,

[00:12:16] and we also did, we're going to be doing something very, very unique.

[00:12:20] We're starting in the north of Greece in Thessaloniki, the modern name,

[00:12:25] but of course, biblically, that would be Thessalonica,

[00:12:27] and there are ruins that go back over 2,000 years that we'll be visiting,

[00:12:32] and that's the way that Paul would have come down from the north of Greece.

[00:12:36] Of course, if you think of the second missionary journey and the Macedonian call,

[00:12:41] Well, Macedonia is Greece, and so Paul goes from Troas over to Greece and travels

[00:12:49] and goes to Thessalonica, Berea first, and that we're going to follow those paths.

[00:12:56] And so at these places, for those of the listeners that haven't been on one of these tours,

[00:13:00] either an Israel tour at every one of these sites, either you or myself,

[00:13:04] we're going to open the Bible and talk about Paul.

[00:13:08] And it is just amazing to be on the place where Paul was and reading these stories

[00:13:15] and even traveling.

[00:13:16] I mean, we're going to be taking a bus ride, you know, down through the same path,

[00:13:20] generally speaking, of the way that Paul would have gone from Thessalonica and Berea

[00:13:25] and then down, of course, to Athens and Corinth,

[00:13:28] all on his second missionary journey, tracing those steps as well.

[00:13:32] One of the things I like about this is that when you go to Israel and you're in the Galilee

[00:13:37] and you can go to Capernaum, you can kind of get a sense of what that was like.

[00:13:41] When you go to Jerusalem, you say, now down there is where the pool of Bethesda is,

[00:13:46] and you don't get the same feeling.

[00:13:48] But when you go to Greece, when you go to Philippi, it's still pretty much like it was.

[00:13:53] You can actually go and see where most likely the first person baptized was.

[00:13:57] When you go to Corinth, you can again see what Corinth looked like.

[00:14:03] And, as a matter of fact, one of the pictures here is you and I are standing in front of the Bema seat,

[00:14:07] and you can go to Athens, and you can say, well, there, that's Mars Hill.

[00:14:11] And so there's just a lot more that you can see.

[00:14:14] Then, of course, we get on a boat, and we go to Ephesus,

[00:14:17] and that looks just, again, like it was when Paul was there, pretty much.

[00:14:21] We go to Patmos, get a sense of what it was like during John having the Revelation.

[00:14:27] And then we also go to Crete and Santorini and Mykonos, a couple of fun things there as well.

[00:14:31] But this is something we've always wanted to do,

[00:14:34] and it actually goes from May 17th to the 27th,

[00:14:38] so we can do it a little more leisurely, but at the same time really get a sense of what was happening

[00:14:45] when Paul is bringing the gospel to Europe.

[00:14:48] And there's a great balance of, of course, archaeology, biblical archaeology,

[00:14:54] but we've squeezed in some fun things in there as well.

[00:14:56] I think everybody that goes to Greece wants to see Santorini and some of these other places.

[00:15:00] But the combination of first focusing on the ministry of Paul and ending up, of course, in Ephesus,

[00:15:06] and that part will be, of course, Paul would have been in Ephesus before he would have been in the Macedonian cities,

[00:15:12] but then focusing on John and thinking about Ephesus.

[00:15:16] And, of course, John had a ministry.

[00:15:18] He was the pastor of Ephesus at the church at Ephesus.

[00:15:21] And then, of course, exiled to Patmos, which we will visit as well.

[00:15:25] So an amazing balance of Bible teaching.

[00:15:29] And one of the wonderful things, and we've enjoyed it,

[00:15:32] we have lifelong friends that we met on these tours.

[00:15:35] Yes.

[00:15:36] As well as the group itself.

[00:15:37] You know, when you travel together, it just brings such a wonderful spirit.

[00:15:41] A lot of times we're singing on the bus or, you know, hearing, you know,

[00:15:44] other testimonies and stories and Bible content.

[00:15:47] And to be together with a group of Christians with a biblical focus is really a great blessing.

[00:15:53] Well, again, there are very sociable people, including your wife, Kim, and my wife, Suzanne.

[00:15:58] So they're out there meeting people and interacting with people.

[00:16:02] And lots of times I look down our Christmas card list and say, you know,

[00:16:05] a lot of those came from various trips that we've taken over the years.

[00:16:08] And as a matter of fact, right now one of the groups that went to Israel with us,

[00:16:11] they've actually had a Zoom call every month.

[00:16:14] This is a relationship that continues much more.

[00:16:16] But let's give some people the details because, again,

[00:16:20] if you are interested in this or know somebody that is,

[00:16:24] and then we're going to move on to some other topics,

[00:16:25] we have a brochure, I'll hold it up here, and you can ask for it.

[00:16:29] But we have a link to give it to you as a PDF.

[00:16:32] So all you have to do is click on that button that says,

[00:16:34] See More, scroll down to the picture of Paul Baraka,

[00:16:37] and then you'll see one that says, Trip to Greece.

[00:16:40] And it's four pages, or actually five once you get the printout for the application.

[00:16:45] And as a result, you can actually join with us.

[00:16:49] We will fly out of Dallas.

[00:16:51] And so if you're not in Dallas, you fly to Dallas and then out.

[00:16:54] And it looks like a very simple and easy set of flights.

[00:16:59] And then we find ourselves in Thessaloniki.

[00:17:02] And there are just a lot of things that you will get to see

[00:17:05] that actually reinforce what you read in terms of the Book of Acts.

[00:17:11] And I would certainly want to recommend some books that are out that would be things to read.

[00:17:17] But I'd also just encourage you to read through the Book of Acts

[00:17:19] because it will give you a pretty good idea almost chronologically

[00:17:22] where we're going to be each particular day.

[00:17:24] One of the other things we'll be looking at is that Acts, of course, is chronological,

[00:17:28] but the epistles are not.

[00:17:30] And so a one-year Bible, either on YouVersion or perhaps whatever other Bible app you may be using,

[00:17:37] what that will do is that will put those books, like Thessalonians, which was written probably first,

[00:17:43] it'll put those books in the right order and interpose them into the Book of Acts.

[00:17:47] So we'll be talking about those kinds of things in our Bible studies together.

[00:17:51] Let me tell a few stories.

[00:17:53] First of all, when we got to Corinth, one of the things that was so surprising to me is

[00:17:59] you pull up on the bus and you see all of the remnants and the columns and everything.

[00:18:04] And our guide takes us down what looks like a goat path.

[00:18:08] And I'm going, where are we going with this?

[00:18:10] And it turns out that they had uncovered this area by a theater that actually names one of the people associated with Paul.

[00:18:18] And until they uncovered that, we had no evidence other than what the Bible had to say about this.

[00:18:25] One of these books that some of you scholars that get you, like you've gotten your doctorate,

[00:18:30] that read, are talking about how in every single case we have, in many cases, archaeological evidence,

[00:18:38] historical evidence, or in some cases even just geographical evidence,

[00:18:41] to prove that Luke, when he was writing the Book of Acts, was giving us accurate information.

[00:18:47] But again, we will spend some time not only just saying, let's look at all the sights and sounds,

[00:18:53] but even how we live in this world that you and I have talked about many times,

[00:18:58] in which archaeology is proving the historicity of, of course, the Bible,

[00:19:04] and, of course, Jerusalem, and all through Israel,

[00:19:07] but also proving the accuracy of the Book of Acts as we go through Greece.

[00:19:10] And we see so many times in Acts that there are, and in the epistles, names, dates,

[00:19:16] or not so much dates, but names and people and places.

[00:19:19] And those things, if you're going to write a general book, like Nostradamus' Prophecies, right?

[00:19:24] Well, they're kind of general, or the horoscope, right?

[00:19:28] Yeah.

[00:19:28] It could apply to anybody doing anything anywhere at any time, but Scripture is specific,

[00:19:34] and archaeology validates that and shows us the accuracy of God's Word.

[00:19:38] It gives us a lot of confidence in other things that God has said to us that are also true.

[00:19:43] Well, again, we'll also be in front of Mars Hill right there in Athens.

[00:19:46] You always hear about that.

[00:19:47] Well, there it is, and, you know, you see kids walking around and climbing on it and everything.

[00:19:51] So, again, if you are interested, we're coming to a break,

[00:19:54] and we're going to move on to, of course, biblical prophecy.

[00:19:57] But if you are interested, you can either call and ask us to send you one of these brochures,

[00:20:02] or just simply, since most of you have very good computer expertise,

[00:20:07] you just simply go to the website, pointofview.net,

[00:20:10] click on the one that says Trip to Greece,

[00:20:12] and it gives you all the information that you need so that you can decide if you want to join with us.

[00:20:18] And as I understand now, we still have room on one bus, just one bus, right?

[00:20:23] Yes.

[00:20:24] One of the things that our guests have really appreciated about the Point of View Tours is that we only do one bus,

[00:20:30] which means that you will be interacting with Kirby and myself and our guests.

[00:20:35] It makes a really, really nice group together.

[00:20:38] And, yes, we do have some openings.

[00:20:40] However, the airfare portion of this will end mid-January, or at least the guaranteed airfare.

[00:20:46] So we do want to encourage folks to be thinking about it,

[00:20:49] and if you intend to go, at least get in touch with us and the travel agent that we're using

[00:20:53] so that we can get your details and let you know that we can work things out.

[00:20:57] Back to prophecy then.

[00:20:58] That's what we're going to spend the rest of our time on,

[00:21:00] and that's one of the reasons that Paul Baraka is in town.

[00:21:02] They have the Pre-Trib Study Group.

[00:21:05] I'll talk more about that when we come back from a break.

[00:21:07] But for those of you that have been making your way through the Book of Revelation,

[00:21:11] some of you, of course, go through Bible Study Fellowship,

[00:21:14] we're going to try to see if we can uncover a few things that maybe you haven't heard

[00:21:19] because there's some new particular pieces of information that you'd like to know about.

[00:21:24] All that coming up right after this.

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[00:21:53] We have four generations in my family who have been taught these things,

[00:21:58] these truths, and the fifth generation we've just been blessed with,

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[00:23:10] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson.

[00:23:13] Back once again in studio with us, Dr. Paul Baraka,

[00:23:16] and we're going to be talking about prophecy for a couple of reasons.

[00:23:18] First of all, he was just here at the Pre-Trib Study Group,

[00:23:22] and that is the idea of pre-tribulation.

[00:23:24] It was started by Tim LaHaye and Tommy Ice and a variety of other people.

[00:23:28] We'll talk about that in just a minute.

[00:23:30] Also, I wanted to talk about it because we have noticed

[00:23:32] that there are fewer pastors that want to even talk about prophecy.

[00:23:36] And yet, one of the things I think would be fair to say, Paul,

[00:23:39] is when we leave that out,

[00:23:42] almost 27% of the Bible when written was prophetic in nature.

[00:23:45] And number two, just back to Point of View,

[00:23:48] you've pointed out that many of the issues we talk about

[00:23:51] every single day here on Point of View,

[00:23:52] whether it's Israel, the Middle East,

[00:23:54] the issue of culture, morality in America,

[00:23:56] a lot of those come back to prophecy, don't they?

[00:23:59] There are so many prophetic statements about those things,

[00:24:02] and I think the biggest of that, of course, is Israel.

[00:24:05] And that's why in the 1950s,

[00:24:07] there was a tremendous resurgence or interest in biblical prophecy

[00:24:12] because 1947, Israel becomes a nation,

[00:24:14] and wow, this nation that had not existed for almost 2,000 years,

[00:24:19] and even the Jewish language, the Hebrew language being brought back,

[00:24:22] and this fits exactly with biblical prophecy.

[00:24:26] But since the 50s and 60s and 70s,

[00:24:29] that was a time of great interest.

[00:24:31] Of course, that's the time when Late Great Planet Earth

[00:24:34] was written by Hal Lindsey.

[00:24:36] And at the Pre-Trib Study Group this week,

[00:24:38] I heard some amazing facts about that,

[00:24:41] that Hal Lindsey had received 1 million letters

[00:24:46] from people that trusted Jesus by reading the late, great planet Earth.

[00:24:51] Over 40 million copies sold,

[00:24:54] and of those 1,100,000 were Jewish people

[00:24:58] who read the book and trusted Christ.

[00:25:01] And so prophecy is super important.

[00:25:04] There's been a diminished level of interest in biblical prophecy,

[00:25:09] I'd say, since about the 1990s.

[00:25:11] I was pastoring during these years,

[00:25:13] and of course I was preaching about this and teaching about this,

[00:25:16] and our people were interested,

[00:25:18] but not so much with a lot of other churches.

[00:25:20] Yes.

[00:25:21] And I might just mention,

[00:25:22] of course I'm going to be referring to some things,

[00:25:24] a hold of this book,

[00:25:24] Discovering Dispensationalism,

[00:25:26] and you had those speakers at the event.

[00:25:29] And some don't necessarily accept all of this,

[00:25:31] but I guess that gets us to another issue,

[00:25:34] and that is, why is it?

[00:25:36] I mean, there was a time in which

[00:25:37] there were all sorts of prophecy conferences.

[00:25:40] There still are some,

[00:25:42] and we've had Jack Hibbs on this program,

[00:25:45] and of course Jack Graham was on this last week,

[00:25:47] and some of them have spoken to this issue,

[00:25:49] and there are certainly individuals that have written books on it.

[00:25:52] But there seems to be a great reluctance

[00:25:55] among people that are pastors,

[00:25:57] and you interact with these pastors,

[00:25:58] both as a former pastor and as a mission leader.

[00:26:02] Can you explain maybe why that's happening?

[00:26:04] Well, I think one of the reasons,

[00:26:06] I find some legitimacy in it,

[00:26:08] because I agree that there have been prophetic statements

[00:26:11] by some within the, let's say,

[00:26:14] the pre-tribulation or the pre-millennial camp,

[00:26:16] where they're doing things like telling you

[00:26:18] when Jesus is going to come.

[00:26:20] You know, 88 reasons why Jesus is returning in 1988,

[00:26:23] and all kinds of books,

[00:26:25] and people would kind of sensationalize this.

[00:26:28] And of course, when those things don't come true,

[00:26:30] and we should never set dates,

[00:26:32] that's the Lord's not told us to do that.

[00:26:35] Some also do something I call soft date setting,

[00:26:38] and they'll say something like this,

[00:26:39] well, we may not know the date,

[00:26:41] but we can know the hour,

[00:26:42] and you know, Jesus is going to come back

[00:26:44] before the turn of the millennium,

[00:26:46] and yeah, those false prognostications

[00:26:50] have, I think, done great harm

[00:26:52] to the pre-tribulation, pre-millennial position.

[00:26:56] Some have said, hey, this is the Antichrist,

[00:26:59] you know, it's Tony Blair, it's Ronald Reagan,

[00:27:01] it's Henry Kissinger, and on and on and on.

[00:27:03] I would say this, though,

[00:27:05] that prominent dispensational teachers

[00:27:08] strongly condemn date setting

[00:27:10] and naming of who the Antichrist is.

[00:27:13] That tends to be people who sensationalize,

[00:27:15] but those who are the prominent dispensationalist teachers

[00:27:18] really condemn those things.

[00:27:20] Well, and the other one that comes up all the time,

[00:27:22] and there's even a chapter in this book

[00:27:24] that you gave to me,

[00:27:25] again, 360 pages of great material,

[00:27:28] is the issue of John Nelson Darby, J.N. Darby.

[00:27:33] And the argument is, as well,

[00:27:35] this idea of a millennium,

[00:27:38] an idea of a pre-tribulation

[00:27:41] and seven years of a pre-tribulation rapture

[00:27:45] and a tribulation and a millennium,

[00:27:47] those all came with this one individual,

[00:27:50] and that's where some of the new scholarship,

[00:27:53] if you will, is pointing out,

[00:27:54] no, you can go all the way back

[00:27:56] to the first and second century

[00:27:57] and see people talking about this.

[00:28:00] It wasn't some new American or British doctrine

[00:28:04] that surfaced just a century ago.

[00:28:06] Yes, the idea of the imminency of the return of Christ

[00:28:10] and the idea of, not so much the idea,

[00:28:13] but the teaching of a literal kingdom

[00:28:15] in which Jesus rules and reigns on earth.

[00:28:17] Those thoughts go back to the first century,

[00:28:20] and we have new discoveries.

[00:28:22] When we say new discoveries,

[00:28:23] what we mean is that we have found

[00:28:26] and translated ancient patristic writings.

[00:28:29] Right.

[00:28:30] And there are still, believe it or not,

[00:28:32] there are thousands and thousands of writings

[00:28:34] that have not been translated.

[00:28:36] As scholars work on those,

[00:28:38] they're discovering these things.

[00:28:40] So we have first century Irenaeus

[00:28:42] talking about the imminency of the Lord's return,

[00:28:45] even mentioning pre-tribulational rapture

[00:28:48] from Irenaeus and from other first century,

[00:28:53] second century, and third century church fathers.

[00:28:57] And one of the things that we think may have happened

[00:28:59] is that in Augustine and forward,

[00:29:03] of course, Augustine, city of God,

[00:29:05] and really becomes the primary person

[00:29:07] promoting the doctrine that is consistent

[00:29:11] through the Roman Catholic Church of amillennialism.

[00:29:13] There is no literal kingdom in which Jesus rules.

[00:29:17] This is the kingdom now.

[00:29:19] And so those scholars, those scribes,

[00:29:22] the librarians, the people who kept the scrolls,

[00:29:25] post-Augustine, whenever they read something

[00:29:27] that might be a little bit talking about

[00:29:30] the millennial kingdom from one of the early church fathers,

[00:29:32] well, they just kind of erased that out.

[00:29:34] We don't want that.

[00:29:34] That doesn't fit with our...

[00:29:35] Didn't pass it on.

[00:29:36] Yeah.

[00:29:37] And so now we're discovering more and more of those.

[00:29:39] And I might just recommend a couple of resources

[00:29:43] to your audience.

[00:29:45] Ancient Dispensational Truth is one of those.

[00:29:48] Great book that covers that.

[00:29:50] And this book here that you've held up,

[00:29:52] Discovering Dispensationalism by Corey Marsh

[00:29:54] and James Fazio,

[00:29:56] two amazing scholars that have documented

[00:30:00] many of these new discoveries.

[00:30:02] One of the things I've been doing in my Sunday school class

[00:30:04] is after we teach the sessions for three weeks in a row,

[00:30:08] I've taken a few chapters from this new book

[00:30:10] by David Jeremiah on the golden kingdom

[00:30:13] in which he kind of said to himself one time,

[00:30:16] okay, I've written a book on the rapture

[00:30:19] and I've written a book on the tribulation.

[00:30:21] And so maybe it's time to write a book on the kingdom,

[00:30:24] on the millennium.

[00:30:25] And he said, I had no idea how much there was

[00:30:29] because you normally think for our listeners

[00:30:31] that are right now working their way through

[00:30:33] the book of Revelation,

[00:30:34] well, when I get to Revelation 20, 21, 23, 22,

[00:30:37] I get to the millennium.

[00:30:39] But then you realize there are all these other references

[00:30:42] in Ezekiel and Zechariah and Isaiah and others.

[00:30:46] And so I, again, would commend to people his book.

[00:30:49] I don't know that we'll be able to get him on the program,

[00:30:51] but I've enjoyed learning that.

[00:30:53] And that's a real popular type book,

[00:30:55] but it helps us clarify some of the misinformation

[00:30:58] that people have.

[00:31:00] And in some respects,

[00:31:01] that's really kind of what we're talking about.

[00:31:04] But just before we take a break,

[00:31:05] give us a brief overview

[00:31:07] of what this idea of premillennialism is.

[00:31:10] In other words, we believe in a millennium

[00:31:12] and we believe we're in the church age,

[00:31:14] but how do those two come together?

[00:31:15] Well, it starts in the Old Testament.

[00:31:17] One of my professors at seminary, Michael,

[00:31:21] said that if you study the Old Testament first,

[00:31:24] you become a dispensationalist.

[00:31:25] If you study the New Testament first,

[00:31:27] you become a covenant theologian.

[00:31:29] So it is understanding and interpreting

[00:31:32] the Old Testament,

[00:31:33] particularly Old Testament prophecies literally,

[00:31:36] that when it talks about a kingdom.

[00:31:39] Now, in the Old Testament,

[00:31:40] they may not have understood all that that meant,

[00:31:43] but there are so many prophecies

[00:31:46] in the books you mentioned I love,

[00:31:47] particularly the ones in Zechariah,

[00:31:49] chapters 12 through 14.

[00:31:52] And we read in those prophecies

[00:31:54] throughout the Old Testament

[00:31:55] about this event called the Day of the Lord.

[00:31:58] Right.

[00:31:58] And we read about that also in 2 Thessalonians.

[00:32:00] 2 Thessalonians, yes.

[00:32:02] Where Paul writes to the Thessalonians

[00:32:04] and tells them that don't be deceived

[00:32:06] that the Day of the Lord has come

[00:32:07] and that you've missed it.

[00:32:08] And it's amazing that so many pastors

[00:32:11] and scholars will read that verse

[00:32:13] and never ask what is the Day of the Lord

[00:32:16] and where do we find that?

[00:32:17] We find it in the Old Testament.

[00:32:19] And I might just mention,

[00:32:20] you know, you've got some links here

[00:32:21] to Zechariah 12 and 13 and 14.

[00:32:24] We'll come back and mention some of that.

[00:32:26] And that's also another reason that I've used,

[00:32:29] and you've heard me use it before,

[00:32:30] and I think I've said it on the air,

[00:32:31] but it's worth saying one more time

[00:32:32] because I used it the other day

[00:32:33] when we had Gary Frazier.

[00:32:35] And that is,

[00:32:36] when you read the book of 1st and 2nd Thessalonians,

[00:32:40] these were written very early,

[00:32:42] and they were written by Paul

[00:32:44] after he'd only spent,

[00:32:45] at best, two or three weeks with them.

[00:32:48] And yet he's telling them to think back

[00:32:50] on what he's told them about prophecy.

[00:32:53] So for a pastor to say,

[00:32:55] well, I don't think we really need to cover prophecy

[00:32:57] for a young believer,

[00:32:58] that's exactly what Paul did.

[00:33:00] You know, he is referring back

[00:33:02] to teachings he's already given

[00:33:03] on the Day of the Lord,

[00:33:06] on the return of Christ,

[00:33:08] on the coming kingdom

[00:33:09] to a group of individuals

[00:33:11] that he's only spent a few weeks

[00:33:13] actually teaching biblical principles.

[00:33:17] So is prophecy important?

[00:33:18] I think that it is,

[00:33:20] and you can see that certainly

[00:33:21] just in the example of 1st Thessalonians.

[00:33:23] But we'll come back,

[00:33:24] and I thought maybe you could read

[00:33:25] some of those passages in Zechariah

[00:33:27] because I think it is really also important

[00:33:30] that we are starting to see some pastors saying,

[00:33:32] you know, we don't even need to read

[00:33:34] the Old Testament.

[00:33:34] We just need to read the New Testament.

[00:33:36] So we're going to get into the Old Testament

[00:33:38] and point it back to prophecy right after this.

[00:33:55] You're listening to Point of View,

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[00:34:01] Back once again,

[00:34:01] if you'd like to join the conversation,

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[00:34:05] or maybe sit back and take some notes

[00:34:07] because we're going to,

[00:34:08] or maybe get your Bible out.

[00:34:10] First of all, go to 2 Thessalonians,

[00:34:12] and then we're going to go to Zechariah 12-14.

[00:34:15] It's a very good look at this idea

[00:34:17] of the Day of the Lord.

[00:34:18] Explain that if you might.

[00:34:19] Yeah, so we come to 2 Thessalonians 2,

[00:34:22] and thank you so much for sharing that reminder

[00:34:24] that this is a new church.

[00:34:26] Paul, being there just a short amount of time,

[00:34:28] he writes 1 Thessalonians,

[00:34:29] and then he writes to them in 2 Thessalonians

[00:34:31] because there was a concern

[00:34:33] among the Thessalonian believers.

[00:34:35] Paul was talking about the Day of the Lord

[00:34:37] in 1 Thessalonians 4.

[00:34:38] He talks about the harpazo.

[00:34:40] We use the word rapture,

[00:34:42] which is the Latin word,

[00:34:43] but the Greek word is harpazo,

[00:34:45] the catching up and being with the Lord.

[00:34:46] And some of them are saying,

[00:34:48] oh, we might have missed this.

[00:34:50] And so Paul says this,

[00:34:52] concerning the coming of the Lord Jesus

[00:34:54] or our being gathered together to him.

[00:34:57] We're going to talk about that in a minute.

[00:34:59] The difference between being gathered to Jesus,

[00:35:01] that's the rapture or harpazo,

[00:35:04] and then the return of Jesus

[00:35:05] when Jesus comes to earth.

[00:35:06] But Paul says,

[00:35:07] don't be discouraged or shaken

[00:35:09] that the Day of the Lord has come.

[00:35:12] That's 2 Thessalonians 2, verse 2.

[00:35:14] So what is the Day of the Lord?

[00:35:17] Well, it's spoken of extensively

[00:35:18] in the Old Testament.

[00:35:21] And one of those is in Zechariah 12,

[00:35:24] and verse 10.

[00:35:26] I will pour out on the house of David

[00:35:28] and the inhabitants of Jerusalem

[00:35:30] a spirit of grace and pleas of mercy,

[00:35:33] so that when they look on me

[00:35:34] on whom they have pierced,

[00:35:36] they shall mourn for him

[00:35:37] as one mourns for an only child

[00:35:39] and weep bitterly over him

[00:35:42] as one weeps over a firstborn.

[00:35:45] So something's going to happen in Israel

[00:35:48] where they will look to Jesus

[00:35:50] and the nation or the remnant of the nation

[00:35:52] will turn to him.

[00:35:54] And it certainly does not appear

[00:35:55] that that has happened in any sense.

[00:35:58] It's very rare to find a Jewish believer.

[00:36:01] We have some very good friends

[00:36:02] that are Jewish believers,

[00:36:03] but that certainly is not the majority.

[00:36:07] And then we come a little bit later

[00:36:08] to Zechariah chapter 13.

[00:36:10] This whole passage here,

[00:36:12] this prophetic passage,

[00:36:12] is talking about the Day of the Lord.

[00:36:14] And here's the phrase,

[00:36:15] On that day there shall be a fountain opened

[00:36:19] for the house of David

[00:36:20] and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

[00:36:22] We don't have time in this short broadcast

[00:36:24] to go over all of that,

[00:36:25] but I encourage you to read

[00:36:26] Zechariah chapter 10 through 14,

[00:36:29] and it's talking about the Day of the Lord.

[00:36:32] Zechariah 14 verses 3 and 4,

[00:36:34] The Lord will go out and fight

[00:36:35] against those nations

[00:36:36] as when he fights on the day of battle.

[00:36:39] On that day, the Day of the Lord,

[00:36:41] his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives

[00:36:44] that lies before Jerusalem on the east,

[00:36:47] and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two

[00:36:49] from east to west,

[00:36:50] a very wide valley,

[00:36:51] so that one half of the mountain will move north,

[00:36:53] the other half moving south.

[00:36:55] And those Day of the Lord references

[00:36:58] are super important.

[00:36:59] Yes, and again, the idea of the Lord coming

[00:37:01] and splitting Mount of Olives,

[00:37:03] turns out there is a earthquake fault there,

[00:37:05] but I think it's also supernatural

[00:37:06] and just some great ideas.

[00:37:08] But one of the other things you alluded to,

[00:37:10] and that is the difference between

[00:37:13] Jesus comes for his saints

[00:37:15] and Jesus comes with his saints,

[00:37:17] the difference between the rapture and the return.

[00:37:19] Can you help us with that?

[00:37:20] Absolutely.

[00:37:21] So when we read the language,

[00:37:22] I think the first place in the New Testament

[00:37:24] that speaks about the rapture is John 14, 3,

[00:37:29] where Jesus says to his disciples

[00:37:31] in the upper room before his departure,

[00:37:33] I go to prepare a place for you,

[00:37:35] and if I go,

[00:37:36] I will come again and receive you to myself.

[00:37:41] That's the picture of Jesus meeting with the church.

[00:37:44] It's the same where we read about that

[00:37:46] in 1 Thessalonians 4, verses 6-17,

[00:37:49] that those who are alive and remain

[00:37:52] until the coming of the Lord

[00:37:53] will be caught up together.

[00:37:55] That's the word harpazo,

[00:37:57] caught up together with the Lord

[00:37:58] to meet the Lord in the air.

[00:38:01] Very important,

[00:38:02] because at the second coming,

[00:38:04] Jesus comes,

[00:38:05] and we just read from Zechariah chapter 14,

[00:38:07] which is a messianic prophecy,

[00:38:09] day of the Lord,

[00:38:10] where Jesus will come on the culmination

[00:38:13] of the day of the Lord,

[00:38:14] and he comes and his feet land on the earth,

[00:38:18] and he comes in judgment.

[00:38:19] He comes through the eastern gate in Jerusalem.

[00:38:22] He enters into the city of Jerusalem

[00:38:25] as a conqueror and establishing his kingdom.

[00:38:29] So those two events are different.

[00:38:31] The rapture of the church,

[00:38:33] and again,

[00:38:33] I would just remind you,

[00:38:35] not all of our listeners follow this doctrine.

[00:38:38] We're presenting it,

[00:38:39] not as a form of orthodoxy,

[00:38:41] but certainly what I believe,

[00:38:42] and many others as well.

[00:38:44] And the rapture of Jesus comes for the church,

[00:38:46] and the tribulation follows.

[00:38:49] In the second coming,

[00:38:51] Jesus comes for Israel.

[00:38:52] He comes as their redeemer.

[00:38:55] And there's a judgment there,

[00:38:56] and you see that in Revelation 19,

[00:38:57] and he refers to it in Matthew 24,

[00:39:00] and other passages,

[00:39:02] and those kind of all come together.

[00:39:04] So in some respects,

[00:39:06] the way in which we look at these passages

[00:39:09] comes from more of a literal reading.

[00:39:11] Last time we had John MacArthur on,

[00:39:13] it's been years,

[00:39:14] but he said,

[00:39:15] you know,

[00:39:15] if I go through the book of Revelation,

[00:39:17] and I assume that this happens

[00:39:19] before this happens,

[00:39:20] before this happens,

[00:39:21] if I read it chronologically,

[00:39:22] of course,

[00:39:22] the first chapters,

[00:39:23] of course,

[00:39:24] deal with the churches,

[00:39:25] but once you get to Revelation 4,

[00:39:26] and afterwards,

[00:39:27] this happens,

[00:39:28] then this happens,

[00:39:29] this happens,

[00:39:30] I would come up with the plan

[00:39:32] that we so often see

[00:39:34] given by prophetic teachers,

[00:39:36] because we assume that all of that

[00:39:39] has some literalness,

[00:39:40] and as a result,

[00:39:42] then is looking to some future event.

[00:39:45] Is that fair?

[00:39:46] Very fair,

[00:39:46] and not only a literal reading

[00:39:48] of the book of Revelation,

[00:39:50] but a literal reading of Daniel.

[00:39:52] A key moment,

[00:39:54] because Daniel writing

[00:39:55] during a time of the Babylonian exile,

[00:39:57] and the people were concerned about Israel,

[00:39:59] and so Daniel chapter 9,

[00:40:01] Daniel tells them,

[00:40:02] hey,

[00:40:02] here's what's going to happen to Israel.

[00:40:04] The same as in Matthew 24 and 25,

[00:40:07] reading that literally,

[00:40:09] and that's one thing

[00:40:10] about the dispensational view

[00:40:12] that I appreciate so much,

[00:40:13] is that it provides great congruity

[00:40:16] for scripture,

[00:40:17] and the ability to just read things

[00:40:19] in their plain meaning,

[00:40:20] in their plain sense.

[00:40:21] There is figurative language,

[00:40:23] of course,

[00:40:23] throughout the Bible,

[00:40:24] just as we use figurative language

[00:40:26] every day in every conversation,

[00:40:28] but that doesn't mean

[00:40:29] that all biblical prophecy

[00:40:31] in the Old Testament

[00:40:32] is figurative.

[00:40:33] It is literal

[00:40:34] and can be interpreted that way.

[00:40:35] One of the booklets we have,

[00:40:36] of course,

[00:40:37] is on messianic prophecy,

[00:40:39] which is a good thing

[00:40:40] to talk about

[00:40:40] during this Christmas season,

[00:40:41] because some of those

[00:40:42] have to do with the birth of Christ,

[00:40:44] but I'd be remiss

[00:40:45] if I didn't have

[00:40:46] the executive director

[00:40:48] of Fellowship International Mission

[00:40:49] to talk about

[00:40:50] if somebody is thinking

[00:40:51] about missions,

[00:40:53] or maybe knows somebody

[00:40:54] who's a missionary

[00:40:55] that maybe isn't necessarily

[00:40:57] feeling like

[00:40:58] that is the best fit

[00:41:00] for their mission work.

[00:41:02] If they contact you

[00:41:03] at fim.org,

[00:41:05] you could certainly

[00:41:06] chat with them.

[00:41:08] Of course,

[00:41:08] about everything

[00:41:09] from prophecy to missions,

[00:41:10] right?

[00:41:10] That's right,

[00:41:11] and we're very blessed

[00:41:12] to be able to be sending

[00:41:13] missionaries around the world.

[00:41:14] We have missionaries

[00:41:15] in 30 countries,

[00:41:16] one of many mission agencies,

[00:41:18] but one that really emphasizes

[00:41:20] evangelism

[00:41:21] and biblical accuracy.

[00:41:23] These things are important,

[00:41:25] and we want people

[00:41:26] to be teaching them

[00:41:27] so that the body of Christ

[00:41:28] can be blessed

[00:41:29] and can grow.

[00:41:30] So we'd love to talk

[00:41:31] to someone about missions

[00:41:32] or supporting a missionary,

[00:41:34] and if God has blessed you

[00:41:36] and you want to expand

[00:41:38] the gospel,

[00:41:38] that's just as important

[00:41:39] as those who go.

[00:41:41] I might also mention,

[00:41:42] as people have probably

[00:41:43] figured out,

[00:41:43] since you teach

[00:41:44] at Word of Life,

[00:41:45] you're just at Scroon Lake,

[00:41:46] and of course you've spoken

[00:41:47] at the Philippines,

[00:41:48] Hungary,

[00:41:48] and others,

[00:41:49] sometimes when you want

[00:41:50] to bring a missionary in,

[00:41:52] we love their work,

[00:41:53] but sometimes they're not

[00:41:53] a great preacher or teacher,

[00:41:55] but you are.

[00:41:55] You've been a pastor

[00:41:56] for many years,

[00:41:57] and so if you would like

[00:41:58] to have somebody

[00:41:58] kick off your missions conference,

[00:42:00] I would certainly recommend

[00:42:02] Dr. Paul Baraka.

[00:42:03] And one last time,

[00:42:05] let me just mention

[00:42:05] that we do have

[00:42:06] that Greece trip,

[00:42:07] and so if you would like

[00:42:09] to know more about that,

[00:42:10] you know somebody

[00:42:11] that might be interested,

[00:42:12] you can go to the website

[00:42:13] pointofview.net.

[00:42:14] If they would like

[00:42:16] to hear the interview again,

[00:42:17] you can go to that red button

[00:42:18] that says watch or listen.

[00:42:20] Of course we have a button

[00:42:21] there for donations,

[00:42:22] and of course now

[00:42:23] we have our banner up there

[00:42:24] because we have a matching challenge

[00:42:26] for fiscal year end.

[00:42:28] So, Paul Baraka,

[00:42:29] always great to be with you

[00:42:30] and looking forward

[00:42:31] to our trip to Greece.

[00:42:32] Thank you, Kirby.

[00:42:33] Blessings to you

[00:42:34] and a great joy

[00:42:35] to share these truths

[00:42:36] around Christmas time as well.

[00:42:37] We're going to take a break

[00:42:38] and get into some

[00:42:39] of the issues in the news.

[00:42:40] We have a lot to cover

[00:42:41] and to talk about,

[00:42:42] so let's take a break.

[00:42:43] If you find yourself saying,

[00:42:45] well, I'd like to know

[00:42:45] a little bit more,

[00:42:46] you can click on that button

[00:42:47] that says see more.

[00:42:48] You can find out more

[00:42:49] about Paul Baraka.

[00:42:50] Click on that button

[00:42:51] that will take you to

[00:42:51] fim.org,

[00:42:53] God's Passion for Your Call.

[00:42:55] If you're thinking about

[00:42:55] becoming a missionary

[00:42:56] or supporting a missionary,

[00:42:58] we've got that link,

[00:42:59] and of course we have the link

[00:43:00] to the trip to Greece,

[00:43:02] all that coming up,

[00:43:03] and we'll take a break

[00:43:04] and come back with more

[00:43:05] right after this.

[00:43:11] If you have ever wondered

[00:43:12] what kind of impact you have

[00:43:15] when you give to Point of View,

[00:43:17] let me introduce you to Bill.

[00:43:20] His story is a perfect illustration.

[00:43:23] Well, I've been a supporter

[00:43:25] at Point of View

[00:43:26] since the 70s,

[00:43:28] and I appreciate the fact

[00:43:29] that truth and love

[00:43:30] are discussed equally

[00:43:31] and that God's Word

[00:43:32] never changes.

[00:43:33] We have four generations

[00:43:35] in my family

[00:43:36] who have been taught

[00:43:37] these things,

[00:43:38] these truths,

[00:43:39] and the fifth generation

[00:43:40] we've just been blessed with,

[00:43:42] who I'm sure will be

[00:43:43] blessed by this ministry also.

[00:43:45] So I just appreciate

[00:43:46] the fact that it's solid,

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[00:43:48] it's honest,

[00:43:49] and there's no changing

[00:43:51] God's Word.

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