Point of View December 10, 2024 – Hour 2 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:00:21] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Round Table. Don't forget to go and listen to our first hour where Josh Barnes and Liberty McCarter were with us. We talked about everything from the Congressional hearing on UFOs to news out of the UK.

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[00:00:44] Joining us in the next hour is a new guest to the show. His name is Stephen Mosley. He is the Evangelical Outreach Chair for the Fairfax GOP, which is an incredible position. We're so glad he's there.

[00:00:57] He's also a teacher and a school choice advocate. Thank you so much for joining us today, Stephen.

[00:01:03] You're welcome. Thanks so much for having me on the program.

[00:01:05] We're so glad to have you. You may recognize his last name if you've been listening to the Millennial Round Table over the last year, because Stephen's wife, Patrina, is a regular guest on our show.

[00:01:17] We're so grateful to have both of you and your brilliant political minds, cultural minds on this show.

[00:01:23] You guys always point us to truth. So I'm glad to have you also staying on this hour is Liberty McCarter.

[00:01:29] You know her well. We're going to be discussing really a lot of international political news.

[00:01:34] We are really coming into the cusp of a new President Trump time in office.

[00:01:41] But Trump, you know, has so much on the international stage.

[00:01:46] It's enough to keep our heads spinning. So I want to talk first about, of course, the war in Ukraine, not only the war that he's inheriting there, how he's discussed handling it, as well as his current statements on our relationship with NATO or prospective relationships with NATO.

[00:02:03] I should say he's coming out really strongly on the foreign stage.

[00:02:07] And then we'll turn later in the show to, of course, the news out of Syria that the Assad regime has fallen.

[00:02:14] What can we expect there as I as I'm going to repeat what I heard on Fox News last night where there are no good guys involved?

[00:02:22] So we're going to break that down and then we'll end the show with a little bit of news in the pro life space and related to the abortion drugs, as well as President Trump's recent statements on that topic.

[00:02:33] So don't go anywhere. We're going to dive right in now.

[00:02:36] Now, we had just such an insightful interview that President Trump, he sat down and discussed all sorts of topics from abortion, as I mentioned, to our alliance with NATO.

[00:02:48] And he had a lot of statements that came out of it.

[00:02:51] I think he's coming out very strong, as I mentioned, on the foreign side of things.

[00:02:55] We'll start with a few things. One, he's coming out strongly that he wants peace in Ukraine.

[00:03:01] And that means brokering a deal with Russia.

[00:03:05] And we're seeing a lot of news outlets, you know, wringing their hands, saying if we can't have a President Trump deal, that just looks like a Putin deal,

[00:03:12] which would be Ukraine becomes a Russian territory, is no longer allowed to join NATO.

[00:03:18] That's kind of the Russian deal that they've proposed.

[00:03:22] And President Trump has just made it really clear that we're done sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.

[00:03:27] And in the meantime, I should mention that President Biden supplied for the first time in greenlit Ukraine using American funded missiles and launching those into Russia,

[00:03:39] which is a massive escalation and active aggression from the Biden administration.

[00:03:45] So it's almost like he's trying to, you know, blow up a peace deal before Trump can even get in there to broker it.

[00:03:51] I think President Putin probably is aware of that.

[00:03:54] But it's certainly escalated tensions over there, has it not, Stephen?

[00:03:59] Absolutely. And I think what we're seeing is a continuation.

[00:04:02] It's one of the things we're seeing a continuation from the first Trump administration to the second one,

[00:04:06] which is the idea that we don't want war.

[00:04:11] The idea of the old Republican Party that was very much a Warhawk, John McCain-style Republican Party,

[00:04:17] which is ironic because it's now become the new Democrat Party, never met a war it didn't like.

[00:04:22] Trump is like, no, no, no, no.

[00:04:23] How do we stop war and how do we keep America safe and how do we keep America strong?

[00:04:28] And that's why he gets in there and he works out deals to do that.

[00:04:31] And he's trying to set that up.

[00:04:32] I think, you know, we'll have to wait to see what the next 60 days or 45 days,

[00:04:36] how many days we have until Trump is officially president of the United States to see what happens there.

[00:04:41] But I would guess it would be very similar to how life was during the first Trump administration on this area when it comes to war,

[00:04:50] because Trump's philosophy really much hasn't changed.

[00:04:53] You may say there's some things that have changed from first Trump administration to the second Trump administration,

[00:04:58] maybe on the issue of life.

[00:05:00] But on this issue of making America safe again or keeping America strong, you see the same thing.

[00:05:07] The idea of what deal do we need to do so that our troops are home, our troops are safe and money stays in our pocket when it deals with international affairs.

[00:05:17] You're absolutely right about that.

[00:05:19] You know, Liberty, when I think of President Biden escalating, you know, this war and conflict for it appears undemocratic to me,

[00:05:27] first, because Congress has not issued a declaration of war against Russia.

[00:05:34] And by greenlighting, you know, missiles into Russia that we funded and paid for, it's really us entering into war in his last days of office.

[00:05:44] But it's also undemocratic because the people spoke in November that they want to see, you know, as you mentioned, Stephen,

[00:05:53] less war, less warmongering, less funding going abroad and us taking care of our domestic policies here at home.

[00:05:59] So, Liberty, I'd love to get your thoughts on that, these recent escalations that we're seeing in President Trump's response.

[00:06:05] Well, I think that it is just telling that so many people were surprised and the voter turnout among younger generations for President-elect Trump.

[00:06:18] And I think, you know, there are many reasons for that, which we've discussed on this show.

[00:06:21] But I think one of the reasons that we can't discount is that our generation, Generation Z, grew up with just the fact that we were constantly at war.

[00:06:34] I think everybody has known people who are in the military or friends who grew up and joined the military and, you know, have done tours in the Middle East.

[00:06:41] And I think that that's something that people are tired of, especially when there are so many issues going on at home.

[00:06:47] So I'm definitely not a foreign policy expert, but I can certainly sympathize with, you know, younger generations being tired of that and older generations being tired of seeing their kids sent to war and sent to fight wars that they feel like maybe we shouldn't have a part in.

[00:07:02] And I also just wonder, you know, what does this look like to other leaders in other nations, both allies and enemies?

[00:07:10] Because, you know, we've seen as Americans what has looked like, you know, very questionable leadership from Biden, especially during the last year, wondering who is really making the decisions.

[00:07:23] And, you know, is he capable of making these decisions?

[00:07:27] And so if we're wondering that in America, you know that people around the world are wondering that as well.

[00:07:33] And if they're taking advantage of that and even now with all of these, you know, last minute decisions and escalations happening.

[00:07:40] So I think it will be interesting to see how that changes and how the global mood changes whenever Trump takes office, hopefully portraying more strength or at least the confidence that there is somebody who is capable in office.

[00:07:52] I think you're right about that. That portrayal is happening in real time because President Putin, of course, he decried what President Biden did on the missile front, but he has not taken a retribution action yet.

[00:08:05] And he continues to say they want peace in Ukraine, which could mean a number of things, of course.

[00:08:10] One of those being the fact that Ukraine, what began this conflict in the words of President Putin was the fact that they wanted Ukraine want to join NATO and that that door was opened and they were making strides towards joining NATO.

[00:08:23] At the same time, ironically, President Trump is saying unless NATO pays its part, which resulted in he's saying $800 billion to the U.S.

[00:08:33] because the U.S. foots the bill for the military backing of NATO, the U.S. might be out.

[00:08:40] More on that after this short break.

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[00:11:04] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are discussing President Trump's appearance of continuing his track record on making America a little more isolationist in our foreign policy,

[00:11:17] which is to say spending less money abroad on foreign wars or proxy wars and really making sure that he's driving down hard negotiations with allies, particularly related to trade.

[00:11:29] In this instance, not just Ukraine that we're talking about.

[00:11:33] We're also talking about his recent statement about NATO that he said, and I said last segment, that he got $800 billion, but it was $600 billion.

[00:11:42] And I'd like to correct that from NATO because he wanted them to pay for essentially us covering the large part and significant part of the military funding of defending NATO.

[00:11:55] And in response, it worked out for him during his last administration.

[00:11:59] The U.S. got $600 billion from other fellow allies in NATO countries.

[00:12:05] And he's talking about increasing trade with European nations like exporting cars, food product, as well as things like oil, which we know there is currently an oil issue there, particularly in Germany,

[00:12:18] because a lot of them were getting their oil and gas from Russia.

[00:12:23] And so all of this is just interesting as we're working on looking at the world stage and what he's going into.

[00:12:29] I think he's pushing hard against NATO.

[00:12:32] And that, I hope, works for the benefit of the United States, who's been funding a lot of these wars.

[00:12:39] And then last thing I wanted to say, Liberty, before I turn it back to you, is that President Biden has also spent the last few weeks sending significantly more funding over to Ukraine,

[00:12:51] saying it's anticipation of the fact that President Trump will probably quit doing that soon.

[00:12:55] I'd love to get your thoughts on his stance on NATO or even trade.

[00:13:00] Yeah, I think that, you know, it definitely is understandable that, you know, again, the United States, we don't want to be taken advantage of.

[00:13:07] And so I think that it's an interesting, you know, and a very important balance that we have to strike.

[00:13:13] And, again, I'm not sure exactly what that right balance is.

[00:13:16] But I know that, you know, what the United States does has a major impact on the rest of the world.

[00:13:22] And that's not something to be taken lightly.

[00:13:24] But entering into wars that are happening in other parts of the world also isn't something to be taken lightly

[00:13:30] when our first responsibility and our government's first responsibility is to its own citizens and what is happening here.

[00:13:36] So, you know, again, this is something that Christians can certainly be praying for,

[00:13:42] because as President Trump gets ready to take office and he is surrounding himself with cabinet appointments and advisors,

[00:13:49] we need to be praying that they are people who are wise and going to be working in the best interest of the United States

[00:13:55] and hopefully toward a future that is more filled with peace and less war.

[00:14:00] I certainly hope so.

[00:14:01] His last four years were four years of relative peace for our country, especially around the world.

[00:14:07] Any last thoughts on this, Stephen, before we move on to talk about Syria?

[00:14:12] Yeah, no new wars.

[00:14:13] I think that's the biggest thing we want to see is no new wars.

[00:14:16] And as Christians, we are praying for, you know, Jeremiah 29 is a great principle about, you know, praying for the welfare of your city.

[00:14:25] And then as Christians, we also realize we have brothers and sisters around the world in Russia and Ukraine, et cetera,

[00:14:31] praying for their peace, their safety, their ability to share the gospel, their ability to live and follow out the faith and represent Jesus Christ.

[00:14:41] And I think as Christians, we must always remember that we have brothers and sisters there that are in need of our prayers,

[00:14:47] in need of our support, in need of more missionaries that go there to share the gospel.

[00:14:52] Absolutely true.

[00:14:53] I love those words.

[00:14:54] We do need to be praying for everyone on either side of the conflict over there because there are certainly humanitarian war crimes happening in those countries.

[00:15:03] I know that President Putin, yeah, it's been a little bit more vogue on the conservative side recently to kind of prop him up as this brilliant mastermind.

[00:15:11] But at the end of the day, he's a war criminal.

[00:15:13] And we don't have to look much further than, you know, the Chechnya crisis where he worked on ethnic and religious cleansing there in the 90s.

[00:15:20] So we certainly have a lot to be praying for for fellow humans and believers across the world.

[00:15:28] And that is certainly true in Syria where it's being reported that as of yesterday, the most recent number I saw were 250,000 Christians are fleeing Syria right now.

[00:15:39] And that number is going up from at least according to some missionaries that are over there talking in the news.

[00:15:46] And that's because the Syrian the Syrian president Bashir al-Assad and his family have officially been ousted as the top leading regime there in Syria.

[00:15:57] His family led for 50 years a dictatorship in Syria.

[00:16:02] Again, I'm seeing some conservative commentators act like, you know, he's been a beacon of religious.

[00:16:08] I heard Tucker Carlson say tolerance.

[00:16:11] That's that's not true.

[00:16:12] There's been it's been a brutal dictatorship.

[00:16:14] And hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Syrians have died at his hands through things like torture and including children, by the way, and imprisonment.

[00:16:25] So he certainly is not, you know, anyone that we would support morally, ethically, politically on any scale.

[00:16:33] Unfortunately, who has overcome his administration could be worse.

[00:16:39] It's a former Al Qaeda affiliate, Abu, I'm going to say this wrong, Muhammad al-Jolani, I think.

[00:16:45] And he's the leader of the main rebel group, which is comprised of different factions from other terrorist groups.

[00:16:50] So ISIS is included in this rebel group.

[00:16:53] Al Qaeda, as I mentioned, is included.

[00:16:55] And it's it's a really huge upheaval in the Middle East.

[00:16:59] It's a lot for us to cover on the show.

[00:17:01] So I'm going to start with you, Stephen.

[00:17:02] What stood out to you about what's going on in Syria?

[00:17:05] You know, feel free to take it wherever you want to.

[00:17:08] Yeah, again, I feel the same same admonition as Christians.

[00:17:12] We need to be praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ who are there to continue to share the gospel and to be safe or to leave as refugees.

[00:17:21] I think the interesting thing you have here, as you mentioned, these same factions we fought in a war in, you know, the Bush era, Bush 43 and Obama.

[00:17:31] It's just changing of the guard.

[00:17:33] And it's like, hey, they have their interests.

[00:17:36] We have our interests.

[00:17:36] I think as Christians, we need to be sober minded on this and say, OK, is it possible that this dictator may be better than the last dictator?

[00:17:43] It's possible.

[00:17:44] Is it possible they may be worse?

[00:17:46] It's possible.

[00:17:46] Only time will tell.

[00:17:48] But as Christians, our goal, even in the Middle East, places where we view as like almost impossible, is that they need to come to know Jesus.

[00:17:56] If they could come to know Jesus Christ and we have missionaries come there to know Jesus and change their culture, that's what will really truly make a beacon of hope in the Middle East.

[00:18:05] I love that you're saying that because we have heard reports, Stephen, of mass baptisms, particularly in Israel out of the Gaza region, where, you know, some missionaries reported that as many as 250 men had dreams about Jesus.

[00:18:21] Muslim men had dreams about Jesus in the same night and they're doing mass baptisms.

[00:18:27] And so we certainly know that God can work through these crises.

[00:18:32] He can work through war.

[00:18:33] He can work through anything to reveal himself, particularly in a region that does not know him and is not as post-Christian as the West is.

[00:18:41] So, Liberty, I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

[00:18:43] And, of course, we'll continue our discussion after the break.

[00:18:47] But before we go to break, do you have any initial thoughts on the Syrian regime change?

[00:18:51] Well, very similar to what Stephen said, and he said it so well, is that, you know, this I immediately think about, OK, what's happening to our brothers and sisters in Christ?

[00:19:02] What does this mean for them?

[00:19:04] What does this mean for, you know, the people of Syria who have been persecuted?

[00:19:07] I think I saw one news article put it as out of the frying pan into the fire or into the fire because, you know, yes, one dictator has left.

[00:19:17] And though he purported to be, you know, tolerant, as you said, in the year 2022 alone, this is just one statistic.

[00:19:25] His regime attacked 76 Christian houses of worship and there was much persecution of Christians and others under his regime.

[00:19:32] And so the current leader that you mentioned that is now filling that gap also has historic ties to extremism.

[00:19:41] So, you know, we don't know what's going to happen.

[00:19:44] But, again, it is something to be thinking about in terms of our brothers and sisters in Christ and the future that they're going to face.

[00:19:52] I also just think it's interesting that this, you know, is really kind of a result of what Israel has been doing and what the Biden administration has tried to prevent them from doing, which is not simply defend but also go on offensive.

[00:20:09] So people may have, you know, various thoughts about that.

[00:20:12] But this really, you know, was a domino effect that led to the toppling of the regime, of the dictator in Syria and has now led to this current situation.

[00:20:22] Yes, it has.

[00:20:23] And, again, you know, we see this from the Bible.

[00:20:26] There's prophecy in Daniel 17 about Damascus becoming a ruinous heap is what it says, that the city will be toppled.

[00:20:35] It's also mentioned in Isaiah.

[00:20:37] And so nothing is outside of the will of God, although for us as believers, when we're looking at this, it's tumultuous.

[00:20:43] We're living in tumultuous times where we can't hardly keep up with all the war and predictions out there.

[00:20:49] But it should not be daunting to us because it does not surprise our God who gave us the game plan in the Bible.

[00:20:55] We know he's victorious in the end.

[00:20:57] But there's work to do to support believers there, missionaries there.

[00:21:01] And we'll also talk just a little bit about what I think this means on the broader scale.

[00:21:07] As we mentioned, it's constantly a proxy war in the Middle East.

[00:21:10] But what that means is, you know, Iran was backing Assad.

[00:21:14] Russia was backing Assad.

[00:21:16] There are other implications more broadly, more on that when we get back after this short break.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:23:13] Well, welcome to the Millennial Roundtable.

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[00:23:33] We're wrapping up our discussion on Syria.

[00:23:35] And I just wanted to highlight one last point, which is what this means more broadly on the international scale.

[00:23:41] And that is the fact that Assad and Syria were largely backed by Iran and Russia.

[00:23:48] And so some commentary, particularly on National Review, if you want to go to National Review, they're doing an excellent job helping break down this war in Syria, which can be a lot for us to discuss, including the history.

[00:24:01] But they're using it as an indication that perhaps Russia and Iran are not as strong as they appear to be.

[00:24:09] And one of those being that we know there's been, I think, hundreds of thousands of Russian military soldiers killed in the war in Ukraine, not to mention how expensive that's gotten for them.

[00:24:21] Their economy is being reported as being crippled.

[00:24:24] And so the fact that they were not able to continue defending Assad is indicative that they've kind of reached the end of that road of their resources.

[00:24:34] For Iran, what it means is Iran, as we all know, has all of its favorite proxies that it funds in the region, whether it's Hezbollah.

[00:24:42] I know that Turkey is financially backing the rebels that overthrew Assad.

[00:24:47] So we can see Turkey lining up on the other side of that.

[00:24:50] But Iran refers to its allies there in the region, whether they're formal allies through countries or, you know, their terrorist regimes that they're propping up financially as their axis of resistance.

[00:25:02] And it's being reported that that axis of resistance might be being weakened now.

[00:25:06] We know Hezbollah was dealt heavy blows in the last few weeks by the United States.

[00:25:11] Oh, Israel, by the way, responded to Assad being overthrown by blowing up some of their military bases there in Syria in anticipation that Turkey's, you know, terrorist ISIS and formal al-Qaeda alliances that are coming in to take over Syria are certainly not going to be friendlies to Israel.

[00:25:35] So I wanted to end on that note.

[00:25:37] If either of you have anything to add on that front, please feel free to dive in now.

[00:25:43] I think that one of the things that you'll notice, and even here in America, we were told that this war between Ukraine and Russia's would be like two months tops.

[00:25:52] And now we've gone on for years.

[00:25:54] I think, you know, you say, how does it impact?

[00:25:57] It's like, well, Russia could not come to the aid of its ally.

[00:26:02] Now, as Christians, you know, we talked about in the last segment, both of these sides may not be good for Christians who are living in those regions.

[00:26:10] But it shows you that sometimes, in all times, war is unpredictable.

[00:26:15] And since war is so unpredictable, we as Christians, we need to continue to pray for peace.

[00:26:20] We need to continue to focus on nonviolent solutions and peace through strength.

[00:26:26] And I think back to President Trump again on this one, this is where President Trump really shines.

[00:26:32] No new wars during his administration the first time.

[00:26:34] And it looks like he's going to be able to create some type of deal that brings our troops and our money home to not have to – to be able to be strong so that if one of these countries turn against us or against our ally, like Israel, we're ready.

[00:26:48] And we're – unlike these other foreign countries, we're not like, well, we can't help you because we're tied up.

[00:26:52] And that's one of the worst things, to be tied up in an entanglement that you should or should not be in when you need to have your first priority, which is protecting your own people.

[00:27:01] I think that's the lesson that America should look at from this.

[00:27:05] And as Christians, we need to be about praying, praying for our fellow believers who are there to continue to stand.

[00:27:14] Well, you said it so well, peace through strength.

[00:27:17] And I think one indication of that, Stephen, is within hours, not days, hours of President Trump winning the election, the Palestinian Hamas leadership openly said, it's time for peace in Israel.

[00:27:29] So I hope those hostages are released.

[00:27:32] I hope that we can see some strength there.

[00:27:35] There are Americans there.

[00:27:37] I think one even died and – we became aware of died in the last few weeks.

[00:27:41] So it is ongoing, but his – we're certainly seeing that immediate response internationally.

[00:27:47] Liberty, I would love to get your final word before we move on to pro-life news.

[00:27:51] Well, I think Stephen said it so well.

[00:27:54] And, you know, again, just to the call for us as Christians to be praying.

[00:27:59] By the way, I'll just plug really quick a resource you can find at pointofview.net.

[00:28:03] You can sign up for free weekly Pray for America emails where we select current events going on, you know, similar to this one and say, hey, let's all unite in prayer around a particular issue that is affecting America.

[00:28:17] And that's a really great way for people to take action.

[00:28:19] But, you know, Iran was dealt a huge blow by Assad's fall.

[00:28:25] And so I think, you know, another prayer point is just that the, you know, terrorists may continue to be defeated and not recover from this.

[00:28:33] And I think it will be really interesting to see what happens with this happening so close to Trump taking office.

[00:28:39] Amen.

[00:28:40] Amen to that.

[00:28:42] Well, we are going to turn now to pro-life news.

[00:28:45] You know, these are going to be issues that are so near and dear to my heart as I work at Human Coalition and we serve pregnant women seeking abortion across the country.

[00:28:54] We served about 45,000 women last year alone.

[00:28:57] And so what we're seeing are some trends on the ground through our work serving pregnant women, ones that might not always make the news.

[00:29:05] But I'm starting to see the news and media actually pick up some of these issues we're seeing as we're serving these women.

[00:29:13] And so I wanted to highlight that.

[00:29:15] Kudos to BBC for putting out an honest article.

[00:29:17] I don't see one often on this issue of life and abortion.

[00:29:22] But BBC did good work.

[00:29:24] We've seen a case that they're now discussing come into light.

[00:29:29] And we know there are many more like this.

[00:29:31] So this case, it's a difficult one, but it's the reality that we're seeing.

[00:29:36] You guys may or may not be aware that truthfully, abortion, 70% of all abortions are now done at home.

[00:29:43] Women don't have to leave their house.

[00:29:45] There's no such thing as a sidewalk or going to clinics anymore.

[00:29:48] There's been a hard drive towards abortion pills.

[00:29:52] It's a two-pill regimen that she can order online and have it shipped to her door within days.

[00:29:57] Sometimes that's from international groups.

[00:29:59] There are groups domestically.

[00:30:01] We know in states like Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Louisiana, wherever you live, if life is protected in your state, women are still able to access abortion.

[00:30:11] They just do it online now.

[00:30:13] And so the issues remain the same in a post-trail world.

[00:30:17] It's just that the landscape has changed.

[00:30:19] And we need to meet them where they are, which is online.

[00:30:22] But that's another part of the conversation.

[00:30:24] I'll focus now on the issue with these abortion drugs being that without oversight from a doctor, having a sonogram to know how far along she is, there are many risks of harm, which is why the FDA used to require it to be dispensed in person.

[00:30:41] They did not use to allow it to be ordered by mail because the side effects include things like hemorrhaging, losing fallopian tubes.

[00:30:48] We know of a woman just a few weeks ago who had two days of blood transfusions out of the Tyler area in Texas.

[00:30:54] And this is common and growing because the FDA under the President Biden's administration rolled back all semblance of safety protocols for women, let alone their children who are dying because of this pill.

[00:31:08] President Trump, in this interview that we discussed a little bit last segment, essentially said that he he's not going to do anything.

[00:31:16] It's in NBC's Meet the Press interview, says, I'll probably say exactly what I've been saying for two years, that abortion is a state, not a federal issue.

[00:31:26] I do think that's a convenient talking point as he learns more about what's really going on.

[00:31:31] But the FDA is his federal going to be his federal agency to deal with this issue.

[00:31:37] So, Liberty, I'll start with you.

[00:31:39] So we what's your response to it's a state, not a federal issue.

[00:31:42] And what would you like to see done if you have any thoughts on the abortion drug front?

[00:31:48] Well, again, you know, to me and I know to you as well, Chelsea, the abortion issue is a human rights issue.

[00:31:54] So we can't get away with saying it.

[00:31:57] You know, states can decide.

[00:31:59] States can decide whether or not it's OK to kill unborn life or or to protect it.

[00:32:05] I think the same goes ideally for doctor assisted suicide, which we were talking about earlier in the program.

[00:32:12] Either you value life as a nation or you don't.

[00:32:16] And so, again, this is something that I think that we just need to continue educating people on about the dangers of these pills,

[00:32:26] which pro-life doctors have been sounding the alarm for years.

[00:32:29] As you know, Chelsea, we're seeing more of these stories come to light now that it's becoming more common.

[00:32:34] But they can be very dangerous for women.

[00:32:38] And again, often these are this is not what women actually want, but they feel pressured, thinking that there's no help for them.

[00:32:46] There's no other option.

[00:32:47] Or as the story that you posted on the website highlights, they're actually being forced or abused into making these decisions,

[00:32:55] not actually making these decisions, but in having these abortions.

[00:32:58] So there is just, you know, rampant abuse taking place.

[00:33:02] It's the opposite of a human rights ideal.

[00:33:06] And it's an issue that the United States has a responsibility to address on a national level, not a state by state level.

[00:33:13] You're absolutely correct.

[00:33:15] President Trump, day one, can reinstate all those basic safety protocols, day one.

[00:33:20] And he would be protecting not just unborn children, but women by doing so.

[00:33:24] Because these women, we could talk about responsibility all day long, but these women are lied to.

[00:33:29] They're told it's as easy as taking a Tylenol, which isn't really the case.

[00:33:34] More on this topic when we get back after this short break.

[00:33:40] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:34:01] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we're talking about what President Trump's next administration can do at the federal level related to abortion.

[00:34:10] And we know we're seeing a hard push to keep this a state issue.

[00:34:15] In my mind, you know, Stephen, it's a little bit like saying that human trafficking is a state issue, not a federal issue.

[00:34:23] Or slavery was a state issue, not a federal issue.

[00:34:26] When you're talking about human rights and the most basic human right, the right to live and not be murdered,

[00:34:33] you know, for me, I think it's a little bit of political gamesmanship at best to turn a blind eye.

[00:34:40] You know, we have a moral duty as a society to say we will not stand for a culture that kills innocent human beings.

[00:34:48] I'd love to get your thoughts on that front, Steve.

[00:34:51] Oh, I'm just here and I am just like can't wait to talk about this with you.

[00:34:56] First off, you're 100% right.

[00:34:58] As a Christian, African-American Republican, I talk to fellow Republicans.

[00:35:03] I'm like, no, this is not our position.

[00:35:05] As a Christian, it's not our position.

[00:35:07] One, murder is murder.

[00:35:08] Exodus 20 is there.

[00:35:10] Psalm 139 is when life begins.

[00:35:12] Jeremiah 1.5.

[00:35:14] All those verses are there for you as believers to be confident on this issue.

[00:35:18] As a conservative, you say, well, is this a state's right issue?

[00:35:21] Well, the question I have for you is, what's slavery a state's rights issue?

[00:35:25] And, of course, as conservatives, as Republicans, and I know not everyone in your audience is a Republican.

[00:35:29] I happen to be the chair for the Fairfax County GOP evangelical outreach team.

[00:35:36] And so our goal is to engage people to impact people in policy for Jesus Christ in your local church and beyond as a faithfulness to God in making disciples.

[00:35:48] And what I can tell you is this.

[00:35:50] This issue is definitely not a state's rights issue.

[00:35:53] This issue is a federal issue.

[00:35:55] It's the killing of unborn life.

[00:35:57] And let's take it from a women's health perspective.

[00:35:59] I'm married.

[00:36:00] You've mentioned my wife has been on the program.

[00:36:01] And you guys love having her on the program.

[00:36:04] I'm so happy to be here with you.

[00:36:05] This is a great program.

[00:36:06] Mosley's are 100% behind this program.

[00:36:09] And we just want to say this.

[00:36:11] When we talk about women's health, this should be an issue that we all can agree on.

[00:36:15] I want to encourage your audience that they have not already seen the movie that came out a couple years ago, Unplanned, the movie that's about Abby Johnson's life.

[00:36:23] You're going to see what they just described.

[00:36:26] You're going to see what happens when an abortion pill doesn't work as planned.

[00:36:31] And it's terrible.

[00:36:32] And so, yes, President Trump has a responsibility to do something on this issue.

[00:36:38] And I love in the interview, which is classic Trump, he'll give you a definitive answer, and then he walks it back so that he gets a little bit of leeway in it.

[00:36:45] So he's like, yeah, no, of course, stick to the states.

[00:36:47] And then he goes, well, circumstances could change.

[00:36:50] And it's like, well, yes, Mr. President, circumstances are going to change because this is under your purview to decide how, even if you say for a moment, like as a Christian, we don't want these pills out there at all because they're killing unborn life and they're damaging and killing women, period.

[00:37:07] But let's say for a moment you say, well, I don't want to take the pills off because I want to keep access.

[00:37:13] I disagree with that, but okay.

[00:37:14] Well, can we at least agree where the access should come from so that if they do have an issue, just like it was in that debate, President Trump versus Kamala Harris in this past election cycle, they debated about a woman who had an abortion at home, had complications, and did not get the help that she needed, and she died.

[00:37:36] Well, one, that dealt with a whole deal with abortion.

[00:37:39] That was an abortion death that they tried to blame on pro-lifers.

[00:37:43] And you look at that and you say, you know what, whether you agree to abortion or not, that could have been prevented if it was done in a way that made sure that there was doctor oversight to handle any type of complications.

[00:37:58] The same thing with, I think, the case we were just talking about, or the case that I know on the website about the people in Europe where men are starting to wise up and say, hey, I can use these pills to abuse women and to cause them to have abortions.

[00:38:12] And that's the most terrible thing on earth to think, you know, God put men here on this earth, if God calls you to be a husband, to protect your wife.

[00:38:20] And to think that men would use something to harm women and that society would just be like, yeah, okay, that is beyond the pale, it's unacceptable.

[00:38:30] And as pro-lifers, we must stand against that.

[00:38:34] You may be a fan of the president.

[00:38:35] I am a fan of President Donald Trump.

[00:38:38] But as a Christian, I am also responsible to share the truth.

[00:38:43] And, Mr. President, you're just wrong on this one.

[00:38:46] But it's okay because you did give yourself that leeway.

[00:38:48] It's like, well, you know, things may change.

[00:38:49] And I think when President Trump looks at this issue and pro-lifers are really strong on what we're talking about here, he will realize, like, yeah, we've got to put these standards in place so that we can protect women.

[00:39:00] You're absolutely right.

[00:39:01] Well said.

[00:39:02] I mean, we are so grateful that you've come on the show today to say exactly what you just did.

[00:39:07] And, you know, to put maybe a fine point on two things that I think have become kind of an issue for the pro-life side getting the word out about this topic.

[00:39:17] One, the media is not fairly covering what's going on on the ground because the one woman they don't want to hear from is the woman who regrets her abortion or has a horrific experience with the abortion.

[00:39:29] It goes against everything the abortion industry is doing, which is exploiting her and profiting off of her.

[00:39:34] Right.

[00:39:35] And so these stories aren't coming out.

[00:39:37] But those of us in the movement serving these women, we know.

[00:39:41] We know exactly what's happening on the ground.

[00:39:43] So these stories aren't just happening in the U.K., what you're alluding to, which is this husband poisoned his wife's drinks with abortion drugs and forced her to have an abortion.

[00:39:54] That's happening everywhere.

[00:39:54] There was several cases.

[00:39:56] There's one out of Texas coming to light.

[00:39:58] And then we're also getting reports that human traffickers are using them to help keep their sex abuse victims working.

[00:40:07] And we filed at Human Coalition an amicus brief before the Supreme Court sharing these stories, sharing the studies, sharing what we're seeing, because the word has to get out there.

[00:40:18] And I am positive.

[00:40:19] I am prayerful.

[00:40:20] We all need to pray in confidence that President Trump will hear these stories, that the word will get out to him.

[00:40:26] We're working on that now.

[00:40:27] And then he will work to protect children and women from these drugs.

[00:40:31] And then the other thing, Liberty, I wanted to just put over to you is that our work as the pro-life movement isn't done.

[00:40:37] If you haven't already heard, the abortion rate last year was the highest in 12 years, not including states that protect life.

[00:40:44] It's astronomically high because of these pills have made it very easy for abortion to happen.

[00:40:50] And there's more access than ever.

[00:40:52] And so it's on us really as the pro-life movement to say, how can we care better for women?

[00:40:58] And how can we support organizations that are on the front lines?

[00:41:02] Isn't it, Liberty?

[00:41:03] Absolutely.

[00:41:04] This is a reminder that while we can partner with political leaders and pray and work for political progress to protect life,

[00:41:12] ultimately it's not a political issue.

[00:41:14] It's a cultural one.

[00:41:15] And so if you want a resource, I'll just plug this really quick.

[00:41:19] I wrote a booklet for Point of View a couple of years ago, a biblical view on the abortion pill,

[00:41:25] which details a lot of the things we've discussed today.

[00:41:29] There are evidence about the dangers of the abortion pill.

[00:41:32] So if you want to educate yourself more on that or have a handy little booklet that you can give to somebody else and educate them,

[00:41:38] then you can contact Point of View and request that.

[00:41:41] Thank you so much, Liberty.

[00:41:43] And, Stephen, real quick, tell everybody where they can follow and support your work.

[00:41:47] That's Stephen D. Mosley on the Twitter machine or now called X.

[00:41:50] I'm there.

[00:41:51] Just give me a follow.

[00:41:52] Love to chat with you.

[00:41:53] All right.

[00:41:54] I'm going to go tag you now, Stephen.

[00:41:55] Thank you so much for bringing just your intelligence and knowledge to this show.

[00:42:00] We're so grateful to have your perspective.

[00:42:02] And, of course, you can go support Liberty and her work by visiting her podcast, the Know Why podcast.

[00:42:09] She's the host and president of that and, of course, a writer for Point of View.

[00:42:13] Do you have a Twitter, Liberty?

[00:42:14] Yes.

[00:42:15] You can find me at Liberty McCarter or LibertyMcCarter.com and follow all my socials there.

[00:42:21] Of course we will do that.

[00:42:22] Don't forget to go back to our last hour where Josh Barnes was with us and we had a whole host of news to talk about.

[00:42:28] You can read our articles and resources at pointofview.net.

[00:42:32] And if you're interested in following me and supporting my work, Human Coalition made me finally get a Twitter.

[00:42:37] And so I am now on Twitter at HugoChelsea is where you can follow me and go to humancoalition.org to find out more about what the pro-life movement is doing to just love and protect women that are out there.

[00:42:53] We have had a full show today.

[00:42:55] Thank you so much for joining the Millennial Roundtable.

[00:42:57] We'll see you next week.

[00:42:58] It almost seems like we live in a different world from many people in positions of authority.

[00:43:16] They say men can be women and women men.

[00:43:19] People are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics.

[00:43:24] Criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens.

[00:43:29] It's so overwhelming, so demoralizing.

[00:43:32] You feel like giving up.

[00:43:34] But we can't.

[00:43:35] We shouldn't.

[00:43:36] We must not.

[00:43:37] As Winston Churchill said to Britain in the darkest days of World War II,

[00:43:42] Never give in.

[00:43:43] Never give in.

[00:43:45] Never, never, never.

[00:43:46] Never yield to force.

[00:43:48] Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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