Point of View December 10, 2024 – Hour 1 : The Millennial Round Table

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View. And now your host for the Millennial Round Table, Chelsea Yolen.

[00:00:22] Welcome to the Millennial Round Table on this beautiful Tuesday afternoon. I'm so grateful you're joining us today. We have a full show as always for you.

[00:00:31] We're going to begin in our first hour with a panelist that you know very well. He is Josh Barnes. He's the YouTube host of The Bible Explained

[00:00:39] and always brings such a strong biblical perspective. Josh, I am so excited to pick your brain about UFOs later in the hour.

[00:00:47] Thank you for joining us today, Josh. Yes, thank you for having me. And I was hoping we could get it get to it in my hour with the UFOs.

[00:00:56] I have you pinned. Don't worry. Also joining us this first hour is Liberty McCarter.

[00:01:01] She is, of course, a writer for Point of View and the podcast host for the Know Why podcast. And she's the president of that as well.

[00:01:12] Thank you, Liberty, for joining us today. I'm happy to be here, Chelsea. Thanks. Of course. The second hour, we're going to have a brand new panelist, Steve Mosley.

[00:01:20] You know his wife if his last name sounds familiar to you, which is Petrina. She's on the show many, many times. So we're excited for him to have his first show with us today.

[00:01:32] So as we go to the next hour, we're going to really lead with some breaking news over the weekend.

[00:01:37] We've all probably heard by now that the UnitedHealthcare CEO was essentially assassinated in the middle of the street in New York.

[00:01:44] We're going to talk about the arrest of that suspect, but also the cultural response to that shooting, which surprised me and I wanted to make sure we discussed.

[00:01:53] We're going to be looking at some news out of the UK, which discusses state-sponsored euthanasia, a growing trend across the world.

[00:02:01] We know that Canada has started that, and I'd love to take a look at that from a pro-life stance.

[00:02:05] And then, of course, Josh, we're going to spend a lot of our time today talking about a UFO hearing from last month that was a congressional oversight hearing that was really a follow-up to one that they had last year.

[00:02:18] And because we covered it on the show, I wanted to make sure that I followed up with you all on that topic.

[00:02:22] So let's dive right in on the UnitedHealthcare CEO who was killed in the middle of New York this week.

[00:02:29] He was shot in the street. His name is Brian Thompson.

[00:02:31] He is a father and a young CEO for UnitedHealthcare, which, of course, has had no shortage of really fraudulent activity.

[00:02:45] So I can't cover for his activities as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare.

[00:02:50] There's a lot that has come out about his business dealings, particularly related to short-selling his stock, causing some maybe illegal and SEC looking into his illegal stock trading activities, among other allegations of corporate fraud and issues.

[00:03:11] But what I wanted to focus on today outside of that, guys, is the fact that his murderer, who has been arrested, his name is Luigi Mangione.

[00:03:21] I hope I'm saying that correct, who is a little bit of an interesting character.

[00:03:27] Not only did he shoot this CEO in the middle of the street, he then ran away to Pennsylvania where he was found by the police, reported in from a McDonald's.

[00:03:39] And on him not only was a lot of money, a manifesto talking about the corporate greed of UnitedHealthcare, but also he had the gun, the weapon, which, of course, I think is really interesting that he had not gotten rid of that weapon yet.

[00:03:54] And we already know more about him than we do Trump's assassin, don't we, Liberty?

[00:03:59] I'm going to start with you.

[00:04:00] Yeah, the details coming out are very interesting, particularly when you look at the suspect's background of being raised in a very privileged environment, attending an Ivy League school.

[00:04:14] And I know that I read that he had some chronic health issues over the years as well, and that he had kind of dropped off the face of the earth, so to speak, according to his friends over the last several months who had been worried about him.

[00:04:28] And so you wonder what led him to commit this act.

[00:04:33] But I know you are going to get into the cultural response later.

[00:04:36] And I think that, again, it's just an example of what we are seeing fill the void that is left by the absence of a biblical worldview.

[00:04:44] And that is the dichotomy of the oppressed versus the oppressor.

[00:04:48] And I think a lot of people are kind of giving into this idea that the end justifies the means.

[00:04:56] And so if somebody is, you know, irreparably evil because they are rich or they are greedy or they are corporate or they are the oppressor class, then any act is justified.

[00:05:07] So I think that we're seeing a little bit of that worldview come into play here with this whole thing that has happened.

[00:05:15] You raise a really good point that I do want to make sure we're discussing.

[00:05:18] It's the reason I wanted to talk about this article, which, of course, you guys can read on pointofview.net.

[00:05:24] But, you know, they discuss really this manifesto.

[00:05:27] I know that on the bullet casings, shelves that were found allegedly were the words deny, delay and words used from the insurance agency to essentially deny claims.

[00:05:38] There's also reports about this murder that he had chronic back pain and back issues, had back surgery.

[00:05:46] And so there are, you know, the media is connecting the dots here saying they said immediately, by the way, that he was a lone actor.

[00:05:54] No need to look further into this.

[00:05:55] He's definitely not a paid assassin is what they're basically saying in the headline.

[00:06:00] So, Josh, I want to turn to you and get your thoughts.

[00:06:03] I think it's interesting how much we know about this young 26 year old man.

[00:06:07] I think it's I think it's very it's almost like he wanted to get caught.

[00:06:12] His face was all over cameras.

[00:06:14] He made sure to be very public.

[00:06:16] The fact that he still had the weapon from the crime on him.

[00:06:19] You know, it's it's just a lot of suspicious facts to me that have led us to really know a lot about this individual who, as you mentioned, Liberty is an Ivy League grad.

[00:06:30] What are your thoughts, Josh?

[00:06:34] Yeah, you know, the thing that that stood out to me that that was probably the most disturbing to me was the amount of support that he got.

[00:06:43] People supporting him shooting this murdering this individual.

[00:06:49] And it it it really brought my mind to Isaiah 59, which says that truth is fallen in the streets and equity cannot enter.

[00:06:58] Justice stand at the far off.

[00:07:00] And I think any time a society murders truth and justice, it produces a lot of this kind of thing.

[00:07:07] And I think that's what our society is doing.

[00:07:10] We first shot down truth in the street and now we're dealing with the repercussions of that.

[00:07:18] And I think I think we see that in there in the response by so many people.

[00:07:22] Oh, you know, because he was a health care executive, he was evil.

[00:07:26] That does not justify murder.

[00:07:29] And there's more there's more other things that are disturbing that I've heard about.

[00:07:33] And I don't think this is actually true.

[00:07:34] Maybe it is.

[00:07:35] But more conspiracy theory type things.

[00:07:38] Maybe they are true.

[00:07:39] People have made claims about how he was Christian, how he was some sort of Christian vigilante.

[00:07:44] And, you know, I just feel like it needs to be said that there's no such thing as a Christian murderer.

[00:07:50] Those two things are antithetical.

[00:07:52] You might be a Christian and do evil things, but those things are antithetical to your Christianity.

[00:07:59] And so I think I think that needs to be said, lest we lest we pretend like this.

[00:08:05] This sort of thing is all right.

[00:08:07] Being a vigilante and murdering people just because they're maybe corrupt.

[00:08:12] You're right.

[00:08:13] I mean, it's alluding to the fact that essentially online, if you haven't seen the cultural response,

[00:08:18] there's been encouragement saying it's been justified because of the corruption of the CEO, because they deny claims.

[00:08:25] It's really heartless.

[00:08:26] But what we're seeing is a society that has systemically dehumanized their political, social, cultural, you name it, enemies.

[00:08:34] And this is the result of that.

[00:08:36] We're going to move on to news from the U.K. about euthanasia when we get back after this break.

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[00:11:04] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are finishing our discussion about really a shocking cultural response to the death, public death, of a CEO, UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, who was murdered in the street,

[00:11:18] and really how uncompassionate and unsympathetic the cultural response was, at least on social media.

[00:11:24] I tend to think social media is the most base version that society has to offer.

[00:11:30] But any time you see someone applauding the death or murder of anyone who has not been proven guilty in a court of law and deserved the death penalty by our legalized process,

[00:11:44] you're encouraging, of course, Josh, what you referred to as vigilantism, which is horrific.

[00:11:49] And I think we need to take a step towards humanizing others, even flawed humans as believers, more than what we are seeing the cultural response be.

[00:12:01] And I want to turn now to talk about another way that I think I'm seeing this theme of dehumanizing fellow citizens or Americans or even others in society.

[00:12:11] And that's through this recent trend of expanding access to state-sponsored euthanasia.

[00:12:19] And if you do not know that already, we're going to really hit this hard.

[00:12:22] But Canada has already has a state-sponsored health care system and vastly expanded state-sponsored euthanasia, which started, I believe it was in 2016,

[00:12:33] and had, you know, by last year had over 13,000 individuals commit suicide through state-sponsored health care.

[00:12:44] And it's been a rampantly increasing percentage.

[00:12:47] They said that it increased 13% in the first six years.

[00:12:51] And so that's a large increase, which I think is a great trend because as you see it expand in one country when another country, now the U.K., is going to consider a policy like that,

[00:13:04] you have indicators and markers of what direction that's going to go.

[00:13:07] In Canada, they have reports saying that there are state officials or health care workers encouraging people to euthanize themselves because they can't continue treatment

[00:13:17] or it's very expensive to the state to continue doing so.

[00:13:21] And what we have now, Liberty, is a situation in the U.K. where there's been a bill filed and Parliament has given the preliminary go-ahead for assisted suicide regime in England and Wales.

[00:13:33] And I think that it's really devastating when you see something like this because it goes to show that how much really human life is taken for granted in some of these places.

[00:13:45] And I think we as the United States should pay attention.

[00:13:48] We often follow the course legally that these other Anglo countries do, don't we, Liberty?

[00:13:54] Yes, and I think that this is so important for us to think about as Americans and as believers.

[00:13:59] I remember an article just a couple of months ago from the Wall Street Journal profiling a Canadian man who had a long-term disability issue,

[00:14:08] and he was being pressured when he did not want to die, but being pressured to go the euthanasia route by medical care professionals

[00:14:22] to the point where he actually started secretly recording his meetings with doctors because he started to feel unsafe,

[00:14:30] and he felt that there was nobody to advocate for his rights as a disabled person,

[00:14:36] but instead that they were just pressuring him to kill himself.

[00:14:39] And so I think on the first level, people need to wake up to the fact that this is already happening in places where euthanasia is legal

[00:14:46] or, you know, doctor-assisted suicide, whatever they want to call it, and it is really abused,

[00:14:53] and we shouldn't be surprised that it would be, and if it's not explicitly, explicit pressure from doctors or medical professionals

[00:15:04] or, you know, families or other caretakers, a lot of times there's just an implicit pressure

[00:15:10] because if it is an option and you have somebody that is struggling with their health

[00:15:15] or they are feeling like they are a burden and that is an option on the table,

[00:15:19] then they may feel like that's what they should do when there is not really any other option that they see available to them.

[00:15:27] So that's the first thing that we need to think about, and then as Christians,

[00:15:30] we really need to step up and start talking about this from a biblical perspective of why is it wrong

[00:15:36] because it might be hard for some people who aren't thinking with a biblical framework to think,

[00:15:40] well, you know, why shouldn't this be an option for certain cases?

[00:15:44] Like if abuse wasn't involved, if people didn't feel pressure and they truly just wanted to, well, why not?

[00:15:49] We need to get into answering the question of, you know, who are we and why are we here

[00:15:54] and what is the purpose of life, and those questions need to be answered.

[00:15:58] Josh, I'd love for you to answer that question off the cuff because you're so thoughtful

[00:16:04] when it comes to our biblical perspective on the dignity of the human person.

[00:16:09] Yeah, well, first of all, I think that this topic underscores the brilliance of you, Chelsea,

[00:16:19] in putting these two back to back because they really go hand in hand.

[00:16:23] The previous one shows our society's condition in how it views how precious life is,

[00:16:34] And I know that Liberty has done a lot of work in the area of abortion on the front end of the life issue, but this is more the back end of it, right?

[00:16:42] What about adults or just birthed humans who also now are trying to take away our sanctity of human life, even for those who are born?

[00:16:56] And it reminds me a lot of Genesis chapter really 6 through 9 when you have the flood.

[00:17:02] It's interesting, in chapter 6 of Genesis, Noah is told you, look, I'm going to build an ark because you need to build an ark because I'm going to destroy the world.

[00:17:11] And the reason that he's going to destroy the world, the Bible makes it very clear, is because the world is filled with violence.

[00:17:19] It's a violent issue that is the purpose for having to destroy the world.

[00:17:23] It's so violent.

[00:17:24] They have no care for human life.

[00:17:27] And in chapter 9, when Noah got off the ark, you know, after the flood, God said this.

[00:17:33] He says, and I'm going to read to you here, let's see, verse 5.

[00:17:38] Surely the blood of your lives will I require at the hand of every beast.

[00:17:42] Will I require it at the hand of man?

[00:17:44] So anyone who kills a human being, whether it's a beast or a man, I require that person to be killed or that beast to be killed.

[00:17:51] At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

[00:17:54] Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.

[00:17:59] For in the image of God made he man.

[00:18:02] Again, this was one of the founding principles of the Bible.

[00:18:09] I mean, it's right there in chapter 9 of the first book of the Bible, you know, that man's life is incredibly valuable because he's made in the image of God.

[00:18:19] What we should never do, we should never accept any policy, any government policy, any framework, any philosophy that diminishes the value of one second of a life of a human being.

[00:18:35] Human life is of utmost value.

[00:18:39] In fact, the reason why I am pro-death penalty is because I am pro-life.

[00:18:45] Those two things go hand in hand because the death penalty is the only right response to the robbing of someone's life to take the life from the person who murdered the individual.

[00:18:58] So, yeah, from a biblical perspective, and I think if we can get back to the biblical perspective, it will obviously fix society, which is why the job of the church and the Christian is of utmost importance in this matter.

[00:19:09] It is.

[00:19:10] And just to add to that, that, you know, when you have a state sanction, which I thought that this article also pointed out, is the fact that both of these countries, Canada and the U.K., have state-sponsored, state-run health care systems, which, of course, the U.S., you know, the left is constantly pushing the U.S. towards.

[00:19:29] And I don't believe the government should be in the business of deciding who lives, who dies, who gets what medical treatment.

[00:19:37] What that does is it creates a chasm between patient and doctor, who, after all, should be abiding by the Hippocratic oath to do no harm.

[00:19:45] And what we've seen happen systemically over the last few years is this idea that do no harm, except in the context of abortion, if you're harming an unborn child, or except in the context of assisted suicide, all these roads lead to death.

[00:20:00] Do no harm, except for, you know, if it's going to be exorbitantly expensive and they're over the age of 60 or they have, you know, pre-existing conditions or it becomes really difficult insurance-wise to get it covered.

[00:20:11] And when you start to chip away at the medical field, who should be responsible and have this trust with their patients outside of government oversight, outside of culture, outside of politics, just that's a base trust that we put in our medical providers.

[00:20:28] And we as consumers don't have another place to go.

[00:20:31] I mean, we have our doctors and our hospitals, and those are the choices that we have.

[00:20:35] And so this all is connected in my mind, which is why I wanted to highlight it today, this idea that we as believers have got to shout from the mountaintops that we are created in the image of the almighty God.

[00:20:49] And because of that, because he's numbered, he has numbered the days of our lives.

[00:20:53] We have not.

[00:20:54] He knows every step.

[00:20:56] It says he knows our thoughts before we think them, our words before they're even on our tongue.

[00:21:01] He knows our coming and our going.

[00:21:02] We are so precious to God.

[00:21:06] We are not only his creation, but he's given each of us an appointed divine purpose for his kingdom.

[00:21:12] And when I start to see officials like this want to chip away at that dignity, I think it's a beautiful message and we can't let it be lost.

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[00:23:09] And now, here again, Chelsea Yeoman.

[00:23:13] Welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable this beautiful Tuesday afternoon.

[00:23:18] I'm joined by Liberty McCarter and Josh Barnes, whom you know well.

[00:23:22] And we are turning our discussion now to a very interesting hearing that I really don't think I ever saw coming in my lifetime about UFOs on Capitol Hill,

[00:23:34] in the Committee for Oversight or Congressional Hearing, on UAPs is what they're calling it,

[00:23:40] which is unidentified, anomalous, something else.

[00:23:46] But basically, it's their new word for UFOs.

[00:23:48] I can't hardly say it.

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[00:24:01] We're going to turn now to this topic really as a follow-up to a hearing that happened in 2023, which I covered on this very show then.

[00:24:11] And I think we were a little bit uncertain as to why now?

[00:24:15] Why is the government wanting to talk about this?

[00:24:18] I'm going to be a little bit of a skeptical, Sally, on not just this topic,

[00:24:21] but if the government and our Pentagon has been funneling as much money into UFO programs as they're now testifying that they are,

[00:24:30] it's just curious timing to me that we're just now hearing about all this.

[00:24:33] But we'll get there.

[00:24:34] Don't worry.

[00:24:35] We're going to start with, in 2023, a former Pentagon intelligence official by the name of David Grush testified

[00:24:44] that in the 1930s, the Pentagon recovered not just UFOs, but he said biologics,

[00:24:51] which led people to suspect he was referring to actual aliens.

[00:24:55] And that was confirmed by the testimony that happened on November 14th of this year by another former military official.

[00:25:05] And so what's come out of these hearings is really just keep it top line for everybody.

[00:25:10] Confirmation from former military officials that the Pentagon is sitting on hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos

[00:25:18] and instances of UFO sightings, that they've got tons of classified information, not just about it,

[00:25:25] but that they're hiding this from the government.

[00:25:28] And because the Pentagon gets $700 billion and is not very transparent with Congress,

[00:25:34] let alone the American people, about what they're spending it on,

[00:25:38] including a very large ticket secret program around studying these phenomena in the air.

[00:25:44] You know, that's really what this hearing was about, was exposing the fact that there needs to be more transparency

[00:25:51] from not just the Pentagon to Congress, but maybe even to the American people.

[00:25:56] And what was essentially testified about is the fact that these UAPs exist,

[00:26:03] that they're saying there is intelligent, they're calling it alien life coming here to Earth.

[00:26:07] That there has been an uptick in sightings, as many as 700 in recent years,

[00:26:15] and that those are being investigated by the Pentagon.

[00:26:18] So I'm going to leave it there.

[00:26:20] And Josh, start with you.

[00:26:22] Are we surprised?

[00:26:23] I'm going to start with the question, not just why now,

[00:26:27] but I would like to say I would have believed in aliens until the government told me to.

[00:26:31] And now I'm suspicious.

[00:26:33] And I'll actually end with this, Josh, because I want you to,

[00:26:36] I want to hear your comment on this as well.

[00:26:39] David Grush is a member or was a member.

[00:26:42] There's a nonprofit organization with, I believe it's over 900 former intelligence officials.

[00:26:47] So former Pentagon intelligence officials, 900 whistleblowers.

[00:26:53] And what they're saying is that what all these sightings we're seeing in recent years

[00:26:58] aren't actually alien sightings.

[00:27:00] Is there our own government and military industrial complex created aerial?

[00:27:06] There are our own aircraft that Lockheed Martin and the military industrial complex,

[00:27:11] that's these third party contractors.

[00:27:13] That's why it's so expensive, these programs,

[00:27:16] that they're actually creating a lot of technology.

[00:27:18] And the public just doesn't know it yet.

[00:27:20] And it was curious to me, Josh, why in this hearing,

[00:27:23] they didn't really talk about that, that these are our aircraft.

[00:27:26] They wanted to talk about the fact that these are aliens.

[00:27:28] So take it away, Josh.

[00:27:31] Oh, my goodness.

[00:27:32] So you're absolutely right.

[00:27:33] I think probably this is probably the best evidence that we've seen,

[00:27:39] that there is no such thing as aliens,

[00:27:41] the fact that the government seems to be ready to admit it.

[00:27:46] So, yeah, I think, you know,

[00:27:50] there's all kinds of things that I could talk about,

[00:27:52] reasons why I think it's unlikely that these are actually aliens.

[00:27:58] You know, just, you know,

[00:27:59] we can see into outer space pretty well with our telescopes and stuff.

[00:28:03] And if they had come to Earth, you know,

[00:28:05] it'd be very strange that we haven't seen them, you know,

[00:28:08] that this is something that just appears every now and then or something like that.

[00:28:13] But going beyond that, there's been a theory among many,

[00:28:19] many Christians and theologians for a long time that these alien sightings are distractions.

[00:28:26] Historically, or at least among, you know, people that I've talked to,

[00:28:30] many theologians have guessed that these are distractions by demons.

[00:28:35] Demons are distracting from their presence by appearing as if they were aliens or something like that.

[00:28:42] And if you do any research on demon possession and compare it to claims of alien abduction,

[00:28:49] they are practically identical,

[00:28:52] the descriptions of people who've experienced one and people who've experienced the other.

[00:28:56] So there's a lot of reason to think that there are extraterrestrial,

[00:29:02] meaning things that are not of this Earth,

[00:29:05] but they're not necessarily aliens.

[00:29:07] They're demons.

[00:29:09] They're fallen angels.

[00:29:10] And there is a scripture that kind of reinforces this, 1 Corinthians 15,

[00:29:14] which says that it seems to talk about angels saying there are celestial bodies

[00:29:19] and there are terrestrial bodies.

[00:29:20] So the celestial bodies, the bodies of angels, are extraterrestrial.

[00:29:25] They're not like the terrestrial bodies that we have on the planet Earth.

[00:29:28] But those are your two different categories.

[00:29:30] You've got angels and then you've got the beings that live on the Earth.

[00:29:34] And so a lot of theologians have looked at it that way,

[00:29:37] that these are probably distractions.

[00:29:40] But it's interesting now, and I have enjoyed what you said just to introduce the segment there, Chelsea,

[00:29:47] because I think this is being used as a tactic for distraction also on behalf of our military

[00:29:56] and behalf of our government now using, oh, it's aliens.

[00:30:00] It's aliens as a distraction from what seems to be a more likely explanation that they'd just rather not admit.

[00:30:10] I agree with you.

[00:30:12] You know, of course, there's the question not just of prudence,

[00:30:14] but of national security and disclosing what our own military capabilities are or are not,

[00:30:19] because after all, we are in a technology arms race with China and others.

[00:30:25] And so I would love, Liberty, to get your thoughts on this topic.

[00:30:28] Feel free to take it anywhere.

[00:30:29] Well, I think that I have very similar thoughts to both of you,

[00:30:33] because I was thinking as I was reading the article,

[00:30:37] I'm not surprised that the government tries to cover up anything,

[00:30:40] but it does make sense that if there is something they truly want to cover up,

[00:30:45] whether it is their own technology and they don't want other nations to know about it

[00:30:50] or even American citizens to know about it,

[00:30:52] or maybe it is unfriendly technology from other nations

[00:30:56] and they don't want it to get out that they aren't as advanced

[00:31:00] or that they've been surprised by certain things.

[00:31:02] That could be things that they don't want the public to know.

[00:31:07] And so, you know, this whole,

[00:31:09] the whole congressional hearing has been about, you know, a cover up up till now,

[00:31:13] but now they could just be using the opportunity to continue covering up by distracting and,

[00:31:19] you know, talking about something that people have theorized about for a long time

[00:31:23] so that everybody says, aha, you admitted it, there are aliens.

[00:31:26] And now they're distracted from, you know, national security threats, as you mentioned, Chelsea.

[00:31:30] So I think to me that seems like a more likely explanation,

[00:31:35] something that people say a lot in investigative work is that the most likely explanation is probably true most of the time.

[00:31:44] However, you know, I think as Christians too,

[00:31:47] we need to consider what Joshua said and to be discerning about these things.

[00:31:51] We know that the spiritual world is real and active around us,

[00:31:54] even though we don't always, you know, think about it at the top of our minds,

[00:31:58] but also just think about, you know, regardless of what does happen or what is discovered,

[00:32:03] it doesn't change what we know about God from the Bible and it doesn't change what God says about us

[00:32:10] and humans made in his image in the Bible and about Jesus Christ and our salvation.

[00:32:14] So I think we can rest assured that no matter what is or isn't out there,

[00:32:18] it doesn't have to change our outlook or our faith in the Lord.

[00:32:22] That's a really great point.

[00:32:23] And I do want to hone in a little bit on the biblical and spiritual side of this,

[00:32:28] because it is something I've also looked into on this topic.

[00:32:31] But leaving the government side, you know,

[00:32:34] I think we can anticipate a few more oversight committee hearings on this topic,

[00:32:38] and they'll probably be reticent to disclose our own military capabilities,

[00:32:43] but maybe they'll continue to send out these videos.

[00:32:46] I do also think it's interesting that there has been a major uptick in sightings across the entire country.

[00:32:54] You know, they've had sightings nearly every day,

[00:32:57] preliminarily on the East Coast, so New Jersey, North Carolina.

[00:33:01] They've kind of been everywhere of people taking these videos

[00:33:04] and sending them into the Pentagon or making the local news.

[00:33:07] And so I do think that's interesting that around the timing of this hearing,

[00:33:12] there's much more increased activity of people seeing UAPs in the air.

[00:33:17] Some are drones.

[00:33:18] Some have been accounted for by being Starlink.

[00:33:20] And then others are, I think they said there's at least 21 active investigations

[00:33:24] of other supposed sightings out there.

[00:33:27] I just kind of also wonder about the timing of that.

[00:33:31] So we're going to continue the discussion when we get back after this short break.

[00:33:35] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth.

[00:34:02] Well, welcome back to the Millennial Roundtable, where we are turning our discussion now,

[00:34:07] not just from the congressional hearing on UAPs or UFOs, whichever phrase you prefer.

[00:34:13] We're going to talk now a little bit about the cultural side and the biblical side,

[00:34:17] too, the implications that, you know, really our government's acknowledging

[00:34:21] or telling us that there is extraterrestrial life, but also technology out there that's

[00:34:29] beyond, you know, what our normal capabilities we thought we had were.

[00:34:33] And so I'd like to just say a couple of things.

[00:34:35] There are a few other ways that I've seen the government start to disclose this program

[00:34:41] that the Pentagon has where they're studying UFOs.

[00:34:44] And one of those is a show you guys may have heard of.

[00:34:46] There's a documentary.

[00:34:48] It's kind of a docu-series, really, called Skinwalker Ranch.

[00:34:51] And, you know, it's a little bit entertaining.

[00:34:53] It's a ranch out of Utah with lots of UFOs, lots of activity.

[00:34:57] And the scientists basically go out, former NASA scientists, and study the ranch.

[00:35:02] But in looking into it, it turns out that these former NASA scientists,

[00:35:06] when I looked them up, they also worked for the CIA previously.

[00:35:10] And so I thought, that's interesting that the CIA is essentially greenlighting,

[00:35:14] who, by the way, also owned this property, you know, this docu-series about this activity.

[00:35:19] And so it's just become evident in several different ways that the government's officially

[00:35:24] putting it out there, that not only does this technology exist, but they want us to know about it.

[00:35:30] And one of the things I was interested in was Tucker Carlson has had this discussion

[00:35:37] in the last few weeks as well on his show, if you guys listen to Tucker Carlson.

[00:35:41] And he spoke with Pentagon officials.

[00:35:43] He did not say who they were, who his sources were, but back when he was a journalist for Fox News.

[00:35:49] And they essentially said that our government is doing more than just kind of using this technology

[00:35:54] or trying to develop technology to keep up in this technology race we're in.

[00:35:58] He said the word that these UAPs are being summoned.

[00:36:03] That was the word the Pentagon official used to him.

[00:36:05] And he said the implication, Tucker Carlson said, the implication is that these are not alien life forms.

[00:36:10] They're spiritual.

[00:36:12] And, of course, you mentioned that, Josh, in our last segment.

[00:36:15] And I think, you know, I know Kirby has talked about this on this show many, many times.

[00:36:19] He's had experts and authors on this topic.

[00:36:22] But on this topic of, you know, the fact that it is probably spiritual.

[00:36:28] We know that there are kingdoms and principalities, as you mentioned, the verses on celestial beings.

[00:36:33] We know that it would make a lot more sense for instead of great technology that somehow magically crashes when it reaches Earth,

[00:36:42] you know, which is what they're claiming in these hearings.

[00:36:45] Instead, that what you have is the spiritual realm, which we believe is real.

[00:36:50] We believe is active.

[00:36:51] And in many ways reveals itself on the other side often.

[00:36:57] And the fact that, you know, I saw a study where they studied people who had allegedly been abducted or were going to be abducted.

[00:37:04] And in the study, anyone who prayed or called on the name of Jesus was left alone.

[00:37:10] And I thought that that that was kind of interesting as well.

[00:37:14] I don't know what to make of all this, but I think it's a good discussion for us to have,

[00:37:18] because what I'm good I'm seeing is people around us who are nonbelievers are probably going to believe that there are aliens out there when this is all said and done.

[00:37:27] And for us to point them towards Christ and the Lord and say, actually, there's a very real spiritual realm and it impacts us.

[00:37:35] And, you know, I even heard one pastor out of very famous pastor out of Southern California saying, you know,

[00:37:42] would it be convenient if after the rapture they just blamed that on aliens?

[00:37:47] Right. That there was a mass abduction of sorts.

[00:37:50] You know, I'm kind of wondering, you know, if as Christians, how we should approach this, Josh.

[00:37:56] Yeah, I think you're spot on.

[00:37:58] I mean, there's – I think it has – we have to, as Christians, lean towards this not being true.

[00:38:05] There's lots of reasons why.

[00:38:07] We've already talked about several of them.

[00:38:08] You know, why don't other nations notice this?

[00:38:11] Why don't people like Elon Musk notice it who have – you know, who aren't the government and they've got satellites and all this stuff?

[00:38:19] You know, so there's lots of reasons.

[00:38:20] Why are they being secretive if they were coming here all these many, many, many, many times?

[00:38:24] Why are they hiding and why aren't they coming out?

[00:38:26] All that kind of stuff.

[00:38:27] But really, I think you're onto something here.

[00:38:30] We need to get to the spiritual side of it.

[00:38:32] And I think that when you recognize that people are always looking for answers to the supernatural,

[00:38:41] you can understand something like – I think a good example of what I'm trying to say, I suppose,

[00:38:47] is the old series Ancient Aliens on the History Channel,

[00:38:52] where they took everything that looked strange about the past that didn't fit into the evolutionary worldview

[00:38:58] and said, it's aliens.

[00:39:00] All of it is – all the things they would investigate are really clear evidence of the Genesis timeline of creation,

[00:39:08] about all those sort of things.

[00:39:09] But yet they would take everything that looks odd and doesn't fit with evolution and say,

[00:39:14] it must be aliens.

[00:39:15] Aliens showed up.

[00:39:16] Aliens did this.

[00:39:16] Aliens did that.

[00:39:17] And you can see very clearly once you watch a show like that how this plays into a demonic narrative.

[00:39:26] It answers that longing in the human heart for answers about these supernatural things that we recognize

[00:39:33] or just we don't have explanations for.

[00:39:35] And it gives an explanation that ignores God.

[00:39:39] And I think the same will be the case.

[00:39:40] I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was what was used during the time of the rapture.

[00:39:44] Yeah.

[00:39:46] That's such a good point.

[00:39:48] You know, we know that the enemy is the author of lies.

[00:39:50] And so this is going to be an area where we may not ever know right, wrong, or indifferent.

[00:39:56] But I think we can certainly, as believers, point to Scripture.

[00:39:59] And as you mentioned, Liberty, it just continued to get back to what is and is not of utmost importance,

[00:40:07] which is we serve a living God and he is the author of our salvation and continuing to point people towards hope in that.

[00:40:16] Because what I've also seen is, you know, there's such a rise in interest in astrology.

[00:40:21] And what is it when people talk about being a Gemini or a Taurus or there are signs?

[00:40:27] You know, there is an interest in mysticism, particularly among Gen Z, the next generation.

[00:40:33] We're millennials, so we're more from, you know, a biblical background.

[00:40:36] But the next generation is believing in astrology.

[00:40:41] It's very much a part of the mysticism, a cult that they're dabbling in, isn't it, Liberty?

[00:40:47] Yes.

[00:40:47] And I was going to say the exact same thing, Chelsea.

[00:40:49] I'm so glad you brought that up.

[00:40:50] I think it's an opportunity for us because if you look at data from younger generations, even as people grow less and less religious, they still say that they are spiritual.

[00:41:04] And like you said, you're seeing this interest in astrology, even in witchcraft and people thinking that it's something fun or cute.

[00:41:11] But like Josh mentioned, we have a longing for the supernatural.

[00:41:15] And so I think that this could actually open up doors for conversations because you don't really have to convince many people that the supernatural or something other is real, which was more of a challenge.

[00:41:29] You know, maybe in past generations, they already accept that there is more than the material life, but we could point them to the truth.

[00:41:36] I love that.

[00:41:37] So well said.

[00:41:38] Well, no shortage of interesting topics on the Millennial Roundtable.

[00:41:42] I promise you, if it's weird and interesting news, I want to talk about it with you guys.

[00:41:46] I appreciate you guys being here so much.

[00:41:49] Josh, tell our listeners a little bit about The Bible Explained and how they can follow and support your work.

[00:41:55] Yes.

[00:41:55] So The Bible Explained is a YouTube channel.

[00:41:57] You can find it on youtube.com forward slash The Bible Explained.

[00:42:01] And we just go through interesting topics like this about the Bible and try to explain them, give different opposing views, and just make it easier to understand what's going on in certain passages.

[00:42:13] We've done a lot on the end times in eschatology because that's a big area of confusion and these types of things.

[00:42:21] It's a great segue into what we do on The Bible Explained for sure.

[00:42:25] Well, I so appreciate that.

[00:42:27] I know you and I have really liked to break down some end times eschatology here on this show, and we'll make sure to do that next time you're with us.

[00:42:34] Thanks for being with us this hour, Josh.

[00:42:37] Thank you.

[00:42:38] And Liberty, go ahead before the end of the hour and tell our supporters a little bit about your work and where they can follow you.

[00:42:44] You can go to KnowWhyPodcast.com.

[00:42:47] We address issues relevant to young adults.

[00:42:49] We've had Josh and Chelsea on the Know Why Podcast, so there's lots of great resources there.

[00:42:55] Well, thank you so much.

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