Point of View August 6, 2024 – Hour 2 : Revelation Media

[00:00:00] What we talk about so often and that is the need to get the Bible into our lives and the Bible in us. And so again I think you're going to enjoy this conversation we're gonna have with Steve Clary if that name sounds familiar. Those of you

[00:00:35] with a good memory remember we've had him on before to talk about the visual pilgrims progress which is something that has been a great opportunity to educate young children but he is the founder and executive director of

[00:00:48] Revelation Media which is an individual now that has produced what is called iBible, a visual presentation of the entire biblical narrative from Genesis to Revelation. He's also overseen and co-written many book projects Jesus Freaks, Hearts of Fire and of course the Pilgrims Progress Illustrated Storybook.

[00:01:08] Along the way I'll be holding up some samples here's one the real story of Jesus and I got at least hold up this puzzle and we'll talk about a bit more and this is one that would be kind of fun because it's a puzzle that goes to

[00:01:22] this and if you think this is only for children well think again but first of all Steve it is great to have you back in studio with us. Well thanks Kirby, like you said it's been a little while but I'm glad to be

[00:01:32] back. And again anybody that would like to understand what this looks like we have a couple of links one to iBible one to Revelation Media so you can click through each one of those and find some of the resources. There is a trailer

[00:01:46] which I think will very quickly give you an idea of what this looks like but let's come back for just a minute and as I was going to the break last hour I pointed out the fact that if you want to reach the unreached people groups and

[00:02:00] we talk about this with some regularity obviously it's great that we have all these Bible translations and the number of times we've had Bible translators on the program very good but the sad reality is in many of these areas of

[00:02:14] the world people do not read or cannot read well and your idea of creating a visual Bible is a wonderful answer to that question isn't it? Well I mean I really think it is you talk about reaching the unreached and

[00:02:29] unfortunately we're giving printed Bibles to people who can't read and when you give them a Bible they're going to cherish it they're going to hold it close but they may not be able to read it and they may not be

[00:02:43] able to understand it if they can read it I mean they have to have a certain comprehension of reading and we talk about reaching the unreached sometimes the unreached are our own kids and grandkids that are not reading too

[00:02:55] right? And so we have this technology so you know I'm holding up a phone and everyone knows everyone has one and we're all using it there's 8 billion of them out there but God has given us an opportunity to reach the

[00:03:11] world including our kids and grandkids including people in India and Mozambique and Middle East through a phone and so when I had the vision to create a visual Bible you know I asked what would that look like an animated Bible could you

[00:03:25] watch the Bible and could you experience the Bible on a phone in a digital format and deliver God's Word that way and I thought yes that is really what we need today and to harness technology to reach the Great Commission. And it does

[00:03:40] seem to me that the key is in the phones you can go to any part of the world and I can't think of any part that I've traveled to where you don't see young

[00:03:49] kids with a phone it may not be as advanced as the phone that you have right there which looks pretty advanced but they have access usually in one way or another to digital content and to be able to provide that to them is I think

[00:04:04] just an incredible ministry so talk about that. Well you know it's funny because I took a picture in a church and to give you a little background I was in Africa and we were in the city and we were sharing the vision of

[00:04:17] Bible Bible with some Christian leaders and they said you know it will work here but when you go out in the village they're not going to have phones they're too poor they might not they might not have power or electricity you know

[00:04:30] they might not have a phone and so the guy that was hosting me and he's pretty visionary he said all right get up early tomorrow Steve we're going outside the city we drove a hundred miles which in Africa can take half a day

[00:04:44] so we drove a hundred miles to the village and we went into a church that was made of mud thatched roof if you've been on the mission field you know what I'm talking about wooden benches no windows and we showed some examples of

[00:04:57] my Bible and the church was packed and kids were there adults were there watching it and we surveyed every kid we surveyed had a phone or used their parents phone and inside the church was four signs and I'm thinking these signs

[00:05:11] in this church this church is about the size of the studio I'm in right now talking to you and these signs said please silence your phones yes so they had to tell the congregation in this village that often doesn't have

[00:05:23] electricity to silence their phones yes they have phones and again this is just a great outreach and as you point out I of course we're talking about missions but you mentioned just in passing I want to come back to that maybe have a young

[00:05:34] child and you'd like to have something that has good biblical content and again sometimes some of these stories out there aren't as accurate as others and you really been striving to try to tell this narrative story and a lot of that

[00:05:48] comes from the script that you've got in front of you don't you isn't it yeah so people asked me before they said what's the most important part about iBible is it the visuals is it to the audio the colors the characters and I said the

[00:06:00] most important part about iBible is the script right and we only use the scripture to create the script it's not word-for-word scripture because it is narrative translation but we took our scripts and we went to SIL which is here

[00:06:13] in Dallas that's right a sister ministry of Wycliffe which we've all heard of Wycliffe Bible translators and we brought them the scripts and they authenticated them for us and they brought them to their consultants the best Bible translation consultants in the world and they helped us edit them

[00:06:30] to a legitimate translation of the biblical narrative so there there are great Kirby there are great Bible stories out there I mean I give them to my grandkids you know from VeggieTales to Superbook and even chosen but their

[00:06:45] Bible stories they're based on the Bible we wanted to deliver scripture and so even though it's a narrative translation it had to be accurate and it had to be approved and authenticated by the people who are a lot smarter than me

[00:06:59] that were able to do this for us hmm let me just mention as we're going to a break here that if you'd like to know more about Revelation Media or the iBible we have some of those links to that and you can scroll down there and see the

[00:07:11] picture of Steve and the first one will take you to the i.bible and you can find out some material there you can see that there's an app and when we come back from the break want to talk about that because if you want to get the app

[00:07:23] on Apple Store Google Play that's all available there is a basically a small and short trailer and you might even be able to watch it in its entirety or even as we're on the break and so you can find all of that on the first one then

[00:07:40] the second one we have a link to RevelationMedia.org if you'd like to know more about that because that will also give you the trailer some of the history some of the pictures the facts and figures and even media inquiries because

[00:07:53] some of you that are listening perhaps are with a radio station you'd like to interview Steve again and talk about it talk about it for your community whatever we have that link there as well when I come back I want to talk about

[00:08:04] the app and what people can do with it and how it gets into all these different languages and what I think a very significant outreach and let me as I'm going to the break also mention that if you've never seen the Pilgrim's Progress

[00:08:19] animated film or been able to get the Pilgrim's Progress illustrated storybook you may never have read Pilgrim's Progress I hope you have read the Bible but you may not have read Pilgrim's Progress but there's great story there

[00:08:32] not only for you but for your children and grandchildren so again we have a lot of that information on our website but we also have it on the website of Revelation Media let's take a break we'll continue our conversation with

[00:08:44] Steve right after this. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. A few decades ago Americans were increasingly concerned about privacy back then we did several radio programs on the topic but now many of our privacy concerns have

[00:09:13] faded. Mark Zuckerberg put this in perspective he said that when he got to his dorm room in Harvard the question many students asked was why would I want to put any information on the Internet at all? Why would I want to have a website?

[00:09:25] He then went on to acknowledge that people especially his generation became more comfortable with sharing information online. In his book Why Privacy Matters, Neil Richards writes about some of the myths that surround privacy concerns. One myth is that privacy is about hiding dark secrets. We

[00:09:42] hear the argument if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear but that doesn't mean we would want to have everyone seeing everything. We wear clothes out of modesty we don't want videos what we do in a bathroom or a bedroom.

[00:09:54] Another myth is that privacy isn't about creepiness. He provides lots of examples of privacy invasions we would not tolerate yet we have the famous comment by Google's Eric Schmidt that I've mentioned in previous commentaries. He

[00:10:06] explained that Google's policy is to get right up to that creepy line and not cross it. Another myth is that privacy isn't primarily about control. We're sure that we can make informed choices about the amount of information a technology

[00:10:20] company can use but do we really read all the words in a privacy notice? One famous study from more than a decade ago estimated that if we were to quickly read the privacy policies of every website we encounter it would take 75

[00:10:33] full working days to read them all. So privacy concerns still exist and we need to focus on them in the future. I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view. For a free booklet on a biblical view of Israel go to viewpoints.info

[00:10:52] slash Israel viewpoints.info slash Israel. You're listening to Point of View your listener supported source for truth. Continue your conversation with Steve Clary for a few more minutes we're talking about the iBible which is with

[00:11:08] Revelation Media if you go to iBible or i.bible and of course we have a link so you don't have to remember all that on the website Steve you have a place where people can get the iBible app either in the App Store or Google Play so talk

[00:11:22] about that because you can also if you're a desktop user also put some of that to use so how can people use what we're talking about today? Yeah thanks Kirby we actually just launched the app like four months ago and we launched

[00:11:38] the first 42 episodes and so as we talked about iBible is a visual presentation a visual translation of the biblical narrative right so we've broken down and we've broken them down into animated episodes they're about seven

[00:11:51] minutes each and we put them on the app and we've launched the first 42 episodes so there's like five hours of content already on the app Wow and when we first submitted it to the Apple Play Store they actually came back and they said we

[00:12:04] can't figure out where you're gonna trick people to pay and I said well we're not and they go well you're certainly gonna charge people for this and we're like no it's a free app and we had to like fill out a bunch of questions

[00:12:15] to prove to them we weren't trying to trick people to pay later and it's a hundred percent free and so we really encourage people to go to the Apple Play Store go to the Google Play Store and type in iBible you'll see iBible by

[00:12:28] Revelation Media download the app it's completely free we're already have it loaded in four or five languages and then watch the episodes and then there's quizzes and family discussions and Sunday school lessons and so this is a suite of

[00:12:42] resources tied to every episode and it's just Genesis right now but our vision our goal is to get all the way to Revelation we're in production of the life of Christ we're jumping forward a little bit to the New Testament then we're

[00:12:55] gonna jump back to Exodus and to put this entire visual Bible together based on a visual narrative and make it free to the world we've we've had a hundred and twenty thousand people go to the app in the first four months yes well we're

[00:13:10] gonna have a lot more people go especially when they find out that I can go to the App Store and it's free and again I'm glad you share that story because one of the things that I think people have said is okay there's there's

[00:13:21] a catch what's the catch there's no catch and again as they start seeing the production values that go on this really does make me wonder is there a catch and you can see why Apple actually made you feel out all sorts of things

[00:13:33] because they're looking at this and saying this this is too good it's too professional production value is very well done there's no way it's free but that's exactly what it is that is I mean we've even had business people and donors

[00:13:45] and people say you need to charge for it and I said it's really not the call God gave me it's it isn't it isn't my writing right it's it's God's Word yes so we're putting the video to it it's obviously very expensive to do and you

[00:13:57] know we've we've invested about five million dollars so far and we got about 25 million more to go to do to do the entire Bible but I it's really my vision to give it away for free not that it's not valuable to buy something and then

[00:14:12] you know to value it we sell books and we sell puzzles but it's God's Word and it's really to me I want to I want people to engage in God's Word I was talking to a pastor the other day and they were talking about the challenges

[00:14:26] of screen time and so our kids and grandkids are on their phones like five hours a day but I said yeah but look around I mean when I speak in church I often will first say how many of you came to church today holding with a Bible

[00:14:41] like this and I'm holding a printed Bible and about four or five people raise their hands of a couple hundred people and then I'll say and they'll kind of look guilty right because I'll say hold them up look around I'll say

[00:14:51] how many people came to church today with a Bible that looks like this and I'll hold up my phone and then everybody will smile and 97% of the church will hold you a phone and I'm like you're gonna tell your kids to get off their

[00:15:05] phone I mean we take our phones to church it has become our Bible and so the message that we have is obviously you can't let your kids just do everything they want on their phone not do their homework you've got to monitor

[00:15:17] what they're watching but embrace the technology for the gospel why not sit with them with the phone and watch a gospel presentation and then talk about it and talk about the scripture my son is in his early 30s if he watches an

[00:15:32] episode with me he will he he will ask questions and we'll spend the next 20 minutes discussing the scripture yeah he's not gonna open up a printed Bible but when I can reach him on the tool he's already using to consume content he

[00:15:45] is going to engage and so we need to embrace the technology for the purpose of the gospel I can tell you Satan's using this device you know to share about that to share filth right yes I mean I say it's a this this device the internet can

[00:16:02] be a gateway to all kinds of hell we need to turn that we needed to make it a gateway to God's Word we can talk about some of those resources you mentioned in passing because if you click on join and a number of other things there's a way

[00:16:16] in which you could actually use this for teaching and you mentioned that just a minute ago because really the way you set it up it's almost plug-and-play if you say look I want to do a small group with adults or with kids and I'm okay we

[00:16:30] watch the piece on the Bible but next well you have all sorts of quizzes and questions and all sorts of reasons don't you we do and we think that's a very valuable part of the app and we and our team has spent a long time writing

[00:16:44] these and we are not writing Catholic or Anglican or Baptist or Pentecostal content we're just writing Bible narrative and asking questions and wanting people to engage in Scripture you know you can go to the American Bible Society state of the Bible for 2024 and you're gonna see that the

[00:17:05] scriptural engagement has declined 35% 35% over the last five years Kirby and it's like instead of spending money to do another study why don't we spend money to actually engage kids and so that's why don't we put something on a

[00:17:19] phone that we can engage them with and so we put out questions that they're interested in and so I remember my son my own son was kind of a an inspiration to me because he watched one of the very first episodes and Eve gets deceived by

[00:17:33] the serpent and he said he watched it with me and he said dad what why was the serpent in the garden to begin with mm-hmm good question right yeah do I have an answer probably not is it is it something to discuss is it something to

[00:17:45] say well what about our will what about in obeying God what about God's instructions you know all of that we ended up talking about for the next hour so good and had yeah I had family devotions and so you can use iBible we

[00:18:02] have some hard questions in there and we have some easier questions but we're giving you a tool to engage your kids in scripture and I challenge you to try it and write to me and let me know how it worked because every time I do that

[00:18:15] challenge I hear great things in return one more time I did want to emphasize again this is a narrative so again sometimes people say well I've seen some of these Bible stories but this is not Bible stories this is really taking the

[00:18:27] narrative as much as you possibly can and making it visual and of course you have it in a number of languages but your goal is to put it in even more languages and the reality is now this would be especially with AI pretty easy

[00:18:40] to translate into these other languages of the world wouldn't it we use we use AI for for a lot of our like resources and menu items and stuff we will not use AI for the actual script sure the actual script has to be translated as they

[00:18:55] prove by a proper you know people that have the knowledge to do that and so we're very careful so AI is a tool that helps us and even helps us with our new style of animation we're moving to more of a 3d style of animation it'll look

[00:19:09] more like Disney or Pixar and it's actually a much higher quality and that'll be coming out by the end of the year and but again going back to that script like you said I am NOT opposed to Bible stories I mean I want my I want to

[00:19:24] have stories with my grandkids of course but there's something about God's Word that you know people's quote all the time right the scripture God's Word does not return void but they don't quote the next the rest of that passage

[00:19:37] that says it accomplishes what he when he pleases it accomplishes his good pleasure you know and I don't know about you and your I don't know about your listeners people listening right now but where do you want to be I want to be in

[00:19:51] the accomplishing God's good pleasure and you know this all kinds of havoc going on right I mean you're interviewing people every day and we could we could go a hundred different directions from from politics to you

[00:20:03] know economy to things going on in the world I want to be at the center of God's pleasure and I want to share that with the world again it is I dot Bible and again we have those links on the website there's a place for you to get

[00:20:16] the app but again I also want to point you to where you can join and learn a little bit more and take advantage of some of those resources and if somebody has some questions about that or they'd like to have a presentation in their

[00:20:27] church or maybe some of the listeners here would like to have your local radio station do an interview they can contact you through the contact button cafe absolutely it'll come to me or come to our PR agent and we just want to

[00:20:41] spread the word and so we've been at this for about seven years but we've only released the first version four months ago and our episodes all together have had over 20 million views 20 million watches the average person watches

[00:20:54] three-quarters of the episode which were thrilled with in today's you know it's a attention span and like you said we're in four or five languages now we get a couple in production we're trying to get Arabic done we're trying to get French

[00:21:07] for Africa done and we just want to reach the world with a visual Bible again Revelation Media Steve Clary with us iBible and all the information you need is at our website at pointofview.net and thank you for coming in today and look

[00:21:22] forward to the next opportunity thank you we're gonna take a break and when we come back get into some other issues in the news but stay tuned we'll be right back in 19th century London two towering historical figures did battle

[00:21:36] not with guns and bombs but words and ideas London was home to Karl Marx the father of communism and legendary Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon London was in many ways the center of the world economically militarily and intellectually Marx sought to destroy religion the family and everything the

[00:21:58] Bible supports Spurgeon stood against him warning of socialism's dangers Spurgeon understood Christianity is not just religious truth it is truth for all of life where do you find men with that kind of wisdom to stand against darkness

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[00:23:03] opinions expressed on point of view do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of the station and now here again is Kirby Anderson let me just mention tomorrow we're going to be doing a book author very quickly

[00:23:18] and then we also have Senator Ted Cruz on briefly in part to talk about one of the action items that we brought to you a while back and it's called the take it down act it was an attempt to address the fact that sometimes on these social

[00:23:35] media platforms it has been very difficult to get something that has been posted in which an individual is victimized by using what are called deep fake images often known as revenge porn and so we wanted him to talk about that

[00:23:53] I suspect he'll probably have a few comments about what we talked about at the very beginning and that is the decision by Kamala Harris to select an individual the governor of the state of Minnesota Tim Walz as you might imagine

[00:24:06] I've now already been receiving all sorts of fact sheets about that and over the next week and a half will probably learn a lot more about Tim Walz but what we learn already is what I've already said he believes for example was one of his

[00:24:21] favorite lines one person's socialism is another person's neighborliness and doesn't have any problem with being called a big government liberal on the issue of border and you can't think of too many states that are further away

[00:24:35] from the southern border than Minnesota of course it does have a northern border there but does not want to call the border a crisis certainly supports sanctuary cities sanctuary states he also like Kamala Harris supports what's

[00:24:49] called universal health care also of course as you might imagine believes in abortion on demand right up to the moment of birth and all sorts of other issues of course the issue of crime comes up because of how he was unwilling

[00:25:03] to actually deploy the Minnesota National Guard during some of the riots he's interesting enough quite a fan of China actually taught a course that has been approved by the Chinese Communist Party which he is taught it through a

[00:25:16] program affiliated with Harvard so we're going to learn a lot more and of course I've mentioned some of the scandals that took place during his administration not necessarily saying he but certainly in his administration and there will be

[00:25:28] much more we'll all learn about the vice presidential nominee but if you weren't with me in the beginning I would just simply saying there are a number of sort of principles that I always think are really important in one of those is

[00:25:42] do no harm if indeed some of the various individuals that have been placed into nomination I can think of quite a number of Republicans and Democrats that didn't actually turn out so well that is certainly a concern another was of

[00:26:00] course putting a state or a region in play Democrats have always won Minnesota my example is 40 years ago in 1984 Ronald Reagan won 49 states but at least Walter Mondale the senator from Minnesota one Minnesota so a governor from Minnesota really doesn't give you anything and

[00:26:22] most importantly maybe the idea of balance and not a lot of balance there as a matter of fact some issues he may even be more liberal than Kamala Harris although as we pointed out that's hard to find in light of the you gov survey

[00:26:38] that was done when she was United States senator but just before we move on I did want to at least finally get to some of the articles that we've posted and one of those is by our friend Victor Davis Hanson has been on the program and he

[00:26:53] calls this commentary a coup upon a coup upon a coup so we're talking about three here he says first of all this one developed in 2020 around March and that is there when Biden had lost the first three races in Iowa New Hampshire and

[00:27:13] then in Nevada and then in Super Tuesday I guess I should back it up to February you had then a situation in which there was an attempt to turn everything around and all of a sudden some of the frontrunners that would be Bernie Sanders

[00:27:31] also Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren and others all of a sudden they all decided they were going to run and it was pretty obvious at the time that what had happened is the Democratic Party said we cannot risk either having Bernie

[00:27:46] Sanders or Pete Buttigieg or Elizabeth Warren any one of those three most likely Bernie Sanders to be the nominee or we will lose in 2020 so they chose what many people perceived as a moderate Joe Biden from Scranton Pennsylvania and

[00:28:04] all of a sudden all the other rivals left the playing field and so that was the case and so there were rumors that by March of 2020 this Faustian bargain had emerged whereas the Bidens got to serve as kind of moderate veneers while

[00:28:26] basically behind the scenes as he points out the Sarah they would have the ceremonial functions of the presidency while the real operations would go to former Obama administration officials consultants and advisors and Victor Davis Hanson reminds us of something I've mentioned before but it's worth

[00:28:44] mentioning again Barack Obama did something very differently from any of the other previous former presidents and that is instead of going back home he simply stayed in Washington DC and bought a mansion very close to the

[00:29:00] White House I think we know the rest of that and then suddenly now fast forward to where we are today on July 21st just days left before state ballots were formalized with the names of the party's official nominees and really on the eve

[00:29:20] of the Democratic Convention the various Democratic Party bosses mega donors and other people associated with Barack Obama went into action and we now know that they threatened a candidate Joe Biden with a complete loss of any further

[00:29:36] campaign funding and even the specter of invoking a 25th amendment to end his presidency and so immediately as again Victor Davis Hanson says the votes and the choices of 15 million Biden primary voters were vitiated and the

[00:29:56] delegates were not even consulted and so all of a sudden Joe Biden steps down that's coup number two. Well coup number three is one that followed shortly thereafter and that is the party bosses the Democratic Party bosses decided the

[00:30:12] replacement should be Kamala Harris who by the way as he points out entered no primary never won a single delegate I was watching just the other day an individual that was actually pretty sympathetic to the Democratic Party but

[00:30:31] said that let's just be honest you can count all of the delegates that Kamala Harris won four years ago on one hand if that one hand had no fingers which I thought was a pretty good idea and so again never having captured a single

[00:30:48] delegate in her first and only presidential run back in 2020 and even dropping out of the race before the first Iowa caucus much less the first actual primary in New Hampshire and so you have coup number three. So anyway he actually

[00:31:03] in four short pages kind of reminds you of where we've come today now it's been interesting that if you actually watch some of the individuals that would be likely to support this action there was an interesting interchange on the view

[00:31:22] of all places between a Republican member of Congress and a few others and I think the comment that should have come from the Republican was yeah you're defending this now because you like the solution you like the outcome but I

[00:31:42] guarantee you if the roles were reversed you would be criticizing the fact that the selection was made without other than a simple one up or down vote with the delegates and it was manipulated by the backroom party bosses but

[00:31:57] nevertheless that is where we are today and I think it will somewhat be a campaign issue so if you want to understand some of the details because I've really summarized this four page summary by Victor Davis Hanson and you'd

[00:32:14] like to read it it is our first article and it's a reminder that we didn't just come to this through an electoral process we came through it because the party bosses at least in the Democratic Party were convinced that Joe Biden would not

[00:32:29] win reelection and were convinced they had to do something else and thus as a result actually have Kamala Harris in that position there are some that are even speculating now and I tend to take that as background noise but it's worth

[00:32:45] a mention that if Kamala Harris does not do well now with of course her vice-presidential nominee Tim Walz that at the convention there might be another change how they would pull that off is even more unlikely but I thought I'd

[00:33:01] mentioned it because it's hard to predict we are in uncharted territory we've never been down this road before and yet here we are less than two weeks away from the Democratic Convention thinking that we know who the presidential nominee is Kamala Harris and the vice-presidential nominee is Tim

[00:33:20] Walz but you never know something might change even between now and then which brings us to another article that I wanted you to read and that is what the fact-checkers and I put this in air quotes the fact-checkers are doing to

[00:33:36] try to rehabilitate the image of Kamala Harris we'll talk about that right after this you're listening to point of view your listener supported source for truth back for a few more minutes let me just mention this article by Beckett Adams

[00:34:05] fact-checkers for Harris cover up her inconvenient record and part of that gets into this idea of a flip-flop you know you've heard people in the past say well I'm not gonna vote for that politician because he or she flip-flop

[00:34:19] on an issue and my argument is flip-flopping isn't always bad especially if the person flops to the right perspective you know a person that says I think abortion is right and then they see a sonogram an ultrasound and they

[00:34:33] think wait a minute I can't support this and becomes pro-life I want to welcome them into the pro-life movement somebody says you know I think it's important for young children if they think that they're in the wrong body to

[00:34:45] get all sorts of hormones and surgeries and things like that and they begin to see what's happening they say no that doesn't make sense I want to welcome them into the world of common sense so sometimes flip-flopping is not bad but

[00:34:59] there are individuals that sometimes flip-flop based upon political whim and I remember one time one of the advisors to Bill Clinton actually in the midst of the Oval Office pounded the desk and say is there anything that you really would

[00:35:13] stand for and that's the question I think someone is going to have to ask of course the presumptive presidential nominee Kamala Harris because as Beckett Adams says there's no position that Kamala Harris supports now that she won't

[00:35:27] oppose later should it prove politically advantageous and he says that's going to be good for the Democrats and it's going to be bad for the Republicans because it turns out it's a more difficult time campaigning against as he

[00:35:41] said Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde because again if you take all sorts of different views then the fact-checkers can very quickly say well that's not her view at the moment but it was and of course this article goes and reminds us that there

[00:35:58] have been people fact-checking Donald Trump for pointing out that Kamala Harris supported defund the police and of course you've had all sorts of people I'll just use political fact as one calling that mostly false and yet here this gives you some documentation in 2020 when the anti-police movement

[00:36:17] reached fever pitch Kamala Harris said we have to redirect resources from law enforcement into government functions including schools to reimagine public safety later on in June 10th of 2020 for too long people have confused achieving public safety with putting more cops on the street and so you have

[00:36:39] those statements which are very clear and in this case it is interesting because the fact-checkers didn't want to go all the way back to her book smart on crime in which as a prosecutor she did talk about police presence is a

[00:36:53] deterrent to crime well in this case we'll jump over 2020 and look at 2009 well on the other cases what about again Donald Trump getting in trouble and fact-checkers saying he's completely wrong when he says that Kamala Harris supported abolishing ice and political fact listed that as outright false well

[00:37:16] in 2018 Kamala Harris was asked whether she agreed with activists who called to abolish ice she didn't say no she said we need to probably even think about starting from scratch because there's a lot wrong with the way that ice is

[00:37:31] conducting itself and we kneel to deal with that and again in this case well that was in the past that's not the present one last one of course the one we've heard most of the conversation about well she is was a border czar and

[00:37:46] look at what's happening at the border and of course then you have all sorts of people playing semantic statements saying wait a minute she was never called the borders are true but the very people now that are calling that false

[00:38:01] use the term to describe her as the borders are at the time but now actually say it's completely false that she indeed would actually be called the borders are again to be honest of course there's no term there's no

[00:38:19] government official title called border czar any more than there was a drug czar for William Bennett Bill Bennett but we know what it meant and we know what she was not able to accomplish and really was not interested in trying to

[00:38:34] accomplish so anyway the point I'm making is simply this it is I think very helpful for you to look at the fact-checkers but sometimes it's also helpful to fact-check the fact-checkers and there are some games that have been

[00:38:51] played in the last week or two and believe me over the next couple months and we have less than a hundred days to the election can you believe that they're going to be other games being played by advocates for Kamala Harris or

[00:39:05] Donald Trump or for Tim Walz or for JD Vance they're gonna make various statements and they're going to in many cases appeal to the fact-checkers who in many cases already show their bias you know what everybody has a bias so

[00:39:20] read widely because this article shows the claim then it shows what PolitiFact in this case says in most cases and I skipped a few of them so you can look at the rest if you'd like and then what the reality is by bringing as they like to

[00:39:35] say these days bring in the receipts and that is the case just before wind down for today another illustration of that is statistics sometimes you have to also recognize that as Robert Knight said just recently as a matter of fact

[00:39:52] just yesterday in a column in the Washington Times although it came out earlier the numbers don't lie except when they do and he gives you a couple of examples of again the need for discernment the need to say just because

[00:40:09] one person says it even gives you a statistical number doesn't necessarily mean it's true I'll just pick two in the interest of time one of course President Biden said this heat wave we had in July is a good example of the

[00:40:24] fact that extreme heat is the number one weather related killer in the United States okay if you heard me speak on this if you see in any of my commentaries you see some of the quotes I have from Bjorn Lomborg and others he points out

[00:40:39] for example that extreme heat has killed nearly 6,000 people each year that's not a small number but cold kills 152 thousand of which even 12,000 die from what's called extreme cold so the killer is not heat the killer is cold it

[00:40:59] always has been probably always will be another number that Robert Knight uses 300,000 what is that it's just hard to even get your head around this 300,000 Americans have died from fentanyl overdoses from 2022 until now and of

[00:41:20] course ties that into of course Kamala Harris being the borders are oh can't say that I know and so again this whole idea of whether or not she is a border hawk or not is there and so again those issues are important and also whether or

[00:41:37] not she is in inflation hawk and wants to deal with that and so he goes through many of these examples that where numbers are cited doesn't necessarily tell you the whole story it's why it's important to read more than just the

[00:41:54] headlines maybe read contrary articles and if nothing else I think Robert Knight once again in a piece that's about three pages reminds us that the numbers don't lie except when they do and if there is a theme that runs through today it is

[00:42:10] the theme for us to really be discerning we see in first Chronicles this idea that the sons of Issachor were men who understood the times with knowledge of what Israel was to do we need to understand our times we need to

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