Point of View August 6, 2024 – Hour 1 : Upon the Storm

[00:00:00] It is the Tuesday edition of Point of View and certainly we have a lot to talk about in this first half hour. If we can get it all in, we certainly now know who the vice presidential

[00:00:30] nominee will be with Kamala Harris. We also have a little better understanding of what happened yesterday in the economy and the stock market and we have some real concerns about what has happened in Israel and all of that before we get to our first article

[00:00:46] that we've posted and we may not get to all of those today but we'll do our best to try to cover what we can. If you are going to select a vice president and you have been nominated

[00:00:57] and now will be confirmed in the party convention, there are at least three rules I can come up with that would be important. The first is to do no harm. In the past there have

[00:01:11] been some vice presidential nominees which actually have been able to drag down the ticket. I can think of one in the Democratic Party in 1972, I can think of one in the Republican Party

[00:01:23] maybe in 1988. You can go through a list of ones that you can come up with and certainly do no harm. Number two, you probably want if you can to put a state in play or a region in play

[00:01:40] that maybe is if you will a swing state and that would be helpful. And then number three, you probably would want some balance. There are times when people think well for example Ronald

[00:01:54] Reagan may be too conservative so he picks George Herbert Walker Bush as his running mate or you can think of maybe George W. Bush. People think well he's been a governor but what does he

[00:02:06] know about foreign policy so we'll pick somebody that will help a little bit in that regard or even more recently Barack Obama same kind of thing. Barack Obama what does he know about foreign

[00:02:17] policies? So we'll put a person who's a little more expert in that area Joe Biden. So you can go through the list of the three criteria and many people say that the best way to judge how an

[00:02:31] individual will be in the presidency would be how they actually make the first decision and that is who their vice president is. If that's your criteria and I gave you three, I think Kamala

[00:02:43] Harris has not done a very good job and that's being extremely charitable. She has selected the progressive Minnesota governor Tim Walts. Now again you don't need to know much about

[00:02:55] him to know a few things. First of all, want to put a region in play. When is the last time Republicans have won Minnesota? Even 40 years ago when Ronald Reagan was running against Walter Mondale, even though Ronald Reagan won 49 states, Walter Mondale won Minnesota. So first of all

[00:03:18] you're picking a governor that actually is in a state that you pretty much sure is going to go in the Democratic column. Number two, what about balance of all the possible nominees she could

[00:03:33] have considered? He is the most liberal. He is the most progressive. It will I think in some respects reaffirm the fact that indeed she is a San Francisco Democrat and that I don't think helps.

[00:03:48] We talked about the possibility that she might pick the governor of the state of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro. I think he was eventually eliminated for one very good reason. He's Jewish and that just and he's also supporter of the nation of Israel and that for many Democratic

[00:04:05] voters is a deal breaker. Now there's some others she could have considered. Mark Kelly, Senator from Arizona probably was eliminated early on because they would like to keep that seat although I think

[00:04:17] he's going to have a tough race and frankly it would have been a fascinating vice presidential debate between say Mark Kelly and JD Vance or Pete Buttigieg. Well again very liberal. We talked about the fact that he has a Marxist father just like Kamala Harris does and

[00:04:34] all those kind of things. The Kentucky Governor and you know those were some that were there but again very quickly you can see that if you wanted to try to appeal to moderates, to swing voters,

[00:04:48] to the middle class even to the Midwest even though of course again Governor Tim Waltz is from Minnesota don't think that an individual who has been known to be fairly progressive and of course was the one that was in positions of power during the race riots that actually

[00:05:10] devastated parts of Minneapolis after the death of George Floyd. Also as an individual he with the work of many of the Democrats in the Minnesota legislature has been able to sign lots of progressive legislation on abortion, on guns, on a variety of other topics and

[00:05:30] there of course have been some fraud scandals which don't necessarily touch him but happen when he was governor and we can go on and on and on and I think that you can see very quickly that

[00:05:41] if you use my criteria and there's nothing sank or sank about my criteria but it's one that I think most people would agree with do no harm balance well there's none of that in this

[00:05:55] in some respects he's as liberal as she is although we'll get into how she's changed your views on a few issues but again put a state into some kind of play you could on the other hand

[00:06:07] say well JD Vance he's Ohio does that put Ohio in play well Ohio isn't necessarily always a swing state now but it has been and because of his outreach could certainly have an impact on Pennsylvania Michigan and other swing states and so very different vice presidential selection by

[00:06:28] Kamala Harris than the selection by Donald Trump so anyway you can kind of get a sense of some of those as well and just an illustration of the fact that we'll continue to look at that because

[00:06:41] less than two weeks from today will be the beginning of the Democratic Convention and of course over the next week or so there will be lots of things that people will want to say about this individual as a matter of fact this morning I already started getting tweets

[00:06:56] one which interestingly enough came from the floor to governor the Santas Ron DeSantis about the fact that this is a man who has given us liberal policies and was able to not actually

[00:07:08] tamp down some of the race riots in his own state so we'll see what other people have to say about that particular selection and when we come back I want to try to take on a couple of issues

[00:07:21] why the incredible drop in the stock market yesterday certainly the jobs report was not great but that's not enough to have actually created that so we're going to get into it and I'll try not

[00:07:34] to get into it and very deeply the idea of carry trades or in particular yen carry trades I promise I'll get into it too much I've I thought about getting into that I thought

[00:07:45] that might cause people to nod off decide to change channels the rest but there is a reason why you had so many people selling off stock yesterday but I think we also have to recognize

[00:08:00] that a couple weeks before you had Warren Buffett and the Berkshire Hathaway selling off nearly half of their apple stock you had the Walton family sold nine million shares off of

[00:08:14] Walmart George Soros you know who he is he sold off nearly all of his stock of J.P. Morgan city group Goldman Sachs and if you add up Bezos Diamond and Zuckerberg they sold off about nine billion dollars of stock and that all happened before what happened yesterday

[00:08:32] what do they know that we don't know quite a bit they may not be inside traders but they know some things we don't and that's why venture into the stock market with a lot of intelligence

[00:08:45] and a lot of willingness to risk they made the right decision and we'll talk about that right after this this is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson a few decades ago Americans were increasingly concerned about privacy back then we did several radio programs on the topic

[00:09:10] but now many of our privacy concerns have faded mark Zuckerberg put this in perspective he said that when he got to his dorm room in Harvard the question many students asked was why would I

[00:09:20] want to put any information on the internet at all why would I want to have a website he then went on to acknowledge that people especially his generation became more comfortable with sharing information online in his book why privacy matters neil richards writes about some

[00:09:35] of the myths that surround privacy concerns one myth is that privacy is about hiding dark secrets we hear the argument if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear but that doesn't

[00:09:46] mean we would want to have everyone seen everything we wear clothes out of modesty we don't want videos what we do in a bathroom or a bedroom another myth is that privacy isn't about creepiness he provides lots of examples of privacy invasions we would not tolerate

[00:10:00] yet we have the famous comment by google's eric schmitt that i've mentioned in previous commentaries he explained that google's policy is to get right up to that creepy line and not cross it another

[00:10:11] myth is that privacy isn't primarily about control we're sure that we can make informed choices about the amount of information a technology company can use but do we really read all the

[00:10:22] words in a privacy notice one famous study for more than a decade ago estimated that if we were to quickly read the privacy policies of every website we encounter it would take 75 full working

[00:10:34] days to read them all so privacy concerns still exist and we need to focus on them in the future i'm kermi anderson and that's my point of view for a free booklet on a biblical view of israel

[00:10:50] go to viewpoints dot info slash israel viewpoints dot info slash israel you're listening to point of view your listener supported source for truth back once again let me just mention at the

[00:11:05] bottom of the hour we're going to be talking with kenny and claire hilliard about music in the midst of suffering and of some of the very dire diagnosis that he has received and how music has been so

[00:11:16] significant i think it'll be an encouragement to you next hour we're going to have in studio with us steve clary with revelation media they'll get back to some issues in the news in particular

[00:11:26] we will try to at least focus on the piece by victor davis hanson a coup upon a coup upon a coup just to kind of explain how we found ourselves and find ourselves where we are right now

[00:11:38] with the cumulaharis being the nominee for the democratic party also one on fact checkers for harris those are some of the articles i've posted but while we just briefly are talking about the financial situation yesterday i tried to give a little bit of education to say

[00:11:56] when sometimes they say this is the most significant downturn at least in the japanese stock market since 1987 a lot of you that are maybe younger go i don't even know what you're talking about

[00:12:08] in october 19th 1987 is what's known as black monday in which you have the greatest one-day percentage decline in u.s stock market history now if you wanted to see something that illustrates

[00:12:22] that uh... there is a movie and i'm not recommending the movies called the wolf of wall street i've heard that that movie has more profanity uh... more swear words if you will than anything else

[00:12:34] but i did catch yesterday somebody pulled a clip from the movie um where they are actually in the stock market uh... area and trading and watching this whole thing collapse so in some

[00:12:49] respects it uh... gives you a little bit of a feel for sure could actually type in black monday 1987 see some of the reports in the rest and that is i think on always be the all-time record because

[00:13:02] since then they put in what are called circuit breakers to prevent a repeat of black monday where if you get so much selling it just stops for a minute and the market actually stops

[00:13:15] and has a suspension just so some people can collect their thoughts and so black monday i mentioned 1987 and you might want to find that clip from wolf of wall street believe me i'm

[00:13:26] not recommending the movie at all the other one i mentioned was of course the financial crisis 2007 and 2008 and again september 16 2008 which again was a major down uh... drop and again this is a movie i think with maybe one scene i could recommend a little better

[00:13:46] called big short by the way both the wolf of wall street and big short are actually books and if you read the books of course you won't have any of the concerns i've mentioned there as well

[00:13:55] but in the big short really just illustrates again this whole idea of subprime lending and a variety of issues of credit default swaps and the rest and so we have been through quite a bit

[00:14:09] in terms of the stock market but as i pointed out just a minute ago why did all of this happen yesterday well certainly we had a very dismal jobs report but you'd be hard pressed to find

[00:14:21] anyone who was believing that a jobs report that was not very encouraging was the reason for people to fear recession for some time there has been a concern about whether we may be headed for a

[00:14:36] downturn a bear market a recession and i just mentioned before it came to the break some of things that warren buffett and george soros and the walton family and jeff bezos and jimmy

[00:14:49] diamond and mark zuckerberg and all the others sold off ahead of time so they in some respects that was gradually then suddenly what's the suddenly well it has to do with carry trading

[00:15:00] okay i promise i'm gonna keep this short but um if i mess up on any of those maybe chad huffer to call in and correct me but i think we're going to do okay here

[00:15:09] matter of fact what you really could call this is yen carry trading and that is this if you're an investor you can actually borrow currency in one particular country and then buy it

[00:15:24] in another and so that's called a carry trade and that is there's some real benefits and one of the benefits was the japanese yen because the japan has had very low interest rates for a long time

[00:15:37] when i say very low i mean at one point i'm not making this up the bank of japan's policy rate was recently below zero that is it with the interest rate was negative i'm not making this up okay and so

[00:15:51] if you're let's just say it was zero and the federal reserves rate is five percent well you can begin to say wait a minute i can start making carry trades by borrowing in yen and then buying us

[00:16:08] growth stocks in dollars with me on that it's more complex than that but i'm not going to go any deeper you can find out more if you'd like but here's the problem those investors use these carry trades

[00:16:21] at a level of four trillion dollars okay that works until it doesn't work and what happened is that the bank bank of japan began to raise interest rates no surprise that happens and

[00:16:36] that was really the first time i understand in years in which this took place but then the other day the bank of japan governor announced another rate increase and all of a sudden now these carry

[00:16:48] trades weren't working so well because the gap between the dollar and the yen was basically beginning to vanish and as the yen rises above the dollar again i won't get into the technical

[00:17:00] issues all these carry trades began to unwind and so all the hedge funds that had and many of them are over leveraged uh began to sell off their assets and as one said of group sell another group of

[00:17:18] sales pretty soon they're more sell and you have of course the collapse that we all witnessed yesterday that wasn't too painful was it that's probably why you don't want to know much more

[00:17:29] about the economy and the stock market but there is what gave us the circumstances we had yesterday as some people have said don't look at your IRA your 401k your retirement funds right now it

[00:17:44] looking at them won't make you feel any better probably make you feel a lot worse and looking at them won't make any difference and so we'll see how quickly some of this recovers matter

[00:17:54] of fact some have recovered but others have not we'll see what that does just before take a break though i did want to mention one other thing and that is we are going to be paying

[00:18:04] close attention to what has happened in israel and this amazing it all comes on one day but you know we talked about the stock market yesterday we talked about now we have a new vice presidential

[00:18:14] nominee and don't forget we do have a war between israel and hamas and now the concern is a war between israel and hezbollah to the north now why would people be concerned about this

[00:18:29] let me just give you four quick points before we go to a break first of all iran itself has sent notice alerting pilots about the fact that there will be gps jamming in its airspace and that certainly i think illustrates that they're going to be jamming the airspace

[00:18:48] because they're planning an attack soon maybe it's even happening right now as we're talking or certainly very soon that will be similar to what happened on april 13th some of the commercial airlines recognize this luft hanza just announced that is canceling all its flights to israel

[00:19:10] until august 12th which is next monday that tells you a lot too doesn't it a couple more real quickly you have a number of countries that have urged their nationals to leave lebanon because they're concerned that there will be a growing conflict between hezbollah and lebanon

[00:19:29] and israel and then finally you have many israelis who have been displaced from the northern part of israel um who have been pressuring their government to make that part of their country

[00:19:44] the northern part of israel safe uh if anything and so by doing so that may tip into a full blown war so lots of things to pay attention to and we will try to pay attention to all of those

[00:20:02] simultaneously and just a very good reason for why i would highly recommend that you find some of the articles that we have and take advantage of those as well just as we take a break let me just mention yesterday i did mention for the first time that

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[00:21:10] forget my viewpoints commentary which today gets into another very important issue that you would want to know about and that's the issue of privacy myths i think we're going to have a great assault

[00:21:22] on our privacy that's why i think this commentary might be really helpful to you let's take a break we'll be back with more right after this it almost seems like we live in a different world

[00:21:33] from many people in positions of authority they say men can be women and women men people are prosecuted differently or not at all depending on their politics criminals are more valued and rewarded than law-abiding citizens it's so overwhelming so demoralizing you feel like giving

[00:21:54] up but we can't we shouldn't we must not as winston churchell said to britain in the darkest days of world war two never give in never give in never never never never yield to force never yield to the

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[00:23:02] the opinions expressed on point of view do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station and now here again is curvy anderson begone skin you know sometimes

[00:23:14] we have talked about the value of music not only to lift our spirits but also to really address some very significant issues so this next half hour we're going to talk about music in the midst of

[00:23:26] suffering and we bring to the microphone Kenny and Claire Hilliard who began their musical journey back in 2005 later were married in 2008 and then kind of pause that when he was attending seminary and then during his tenure as a senior pastor as well as a worship leader

[00:23:44] was diagnosed with a brain tumor after that surgery later on they had a second diagnosis of a degenerative genetic disease which we'll get into in more detail but if you'd like to know about

[00:23:57] their musical experiences as well as their own pilgrimage we have information about them on our website and Kenny and Claire thank you for joining us today here on point of view thank you so

[00:24:09] much for having us thank you for having us yeah go ahead oh just wonderful to speak with you let me just uh if nothing else Kenny have you tell your story and then i'd love to get Claire's reaction to

[00:24:21] it because in some respects that's key to our whole conversation isn't it yeah it is it is so in 2015 the new year's eve going into 2016 um i was a pastor of a church and

[00:24:35] um i was diagnosed with a brain tumor um originally we were told that it was malignant and inoperable and they they were just like i hope you can find a surgeon and uh that was just a really terrifying

[00:24:46] diagnosis um we you know we're steady in God's word we prayed but and the church just came alongside us and cared for us very well as well and but but those dark moments really really led us to cling tight to music that was very strong theologically music

[00:25:04] that was very close to scripture you know when you're in the darkness it's really hard to discern whether what somebody is singing to you is true or not and so we clung to those things

[00:25:17] by God's grace they were able to remove the tumor in January of 16 with the only risk that it may grow back in the same spot so it was a really good really good prognosis

[00:25:29] and i'm still clear of that now praise the Lord but over time my health started getting worse and worse and uh eventually i was diagnosed with a genetic disorder called ellers danlos syndrome right um degenerative it it affects the whole number of issues with the body

[00:25:48] and again one of the things i wanted to do is maybe get to Claire to talk about her reaction might also mention you were named as one of the ones to watch by the Nashville Songwriters Association

[00:25:59] and of course that happened the same year that you had your album are you weary but to clear talk about that because it's one thing for an individual going through that it's quite another for the

[00:26:11] wife scene that take place in your husband's life well i mean we aren't we are married and what he goes through i go through just as much perhaps a different way because at the same time

[00:26:24] we're two different people but um it was definitely heartbreaking news for our family at the time as Kenny mentioned he was a pastor and i was a stay-at-home mom i did help with our church's music

[00:26:41] and i helped with writing music for vbs i helped with leading worship for our church um but i didn't think i would ever be able to do music more than maybe just something on the side

[00:26:55] as i raised my family and we had just finished uh well in the middle of the tomb brain tumor we were just getting our feet wet with preschool and homeschooling and that sort of thing um

[00:27:08] and of course that was a very trying time and very scary i i feel like the Lord did prepare me in some ways to one know to face the emotions and the feelings head on

[00:27:29] rather than to act like they didn't exist or act like my anxieties or my fears didn't exist um i love the comfort and God's word from the psalm of how God gives us an entire book of songs

[00:27:44] to sing and those songs include songs of lament the haunts of expressing our full range of emotions to the Lord and so in that time of the diagnosis there was a lot of limits and fear and worry

[00:28:02] and anxiety i'm not saying all that's right but i'm saying i'm human and i knew that the Lord knew how he was feeling you know i felt a lot of comfort in bringing bringing those emotions to him

[00:28:16] and then also as kenny mentioned we found a lot of comfort particularly from songs that pointed us directly to God's word and what he says or songs that are deeply rooted in the word of God like

[00:28:28] a lot of these old hymns particularly the song be thou my vision um be my soul uh there was a song that i stumbled upon in that time called it's it's an interesting name it's called twix gleams of joys

[00:28:47] and clouds yeah so he's the word twix it's by that name jc share and it talks about i could close the whole thing to you but one of the lines i love it says let me know more my

[00:29:01] comfort draw from my frail hold of you lord talking to lord in this alone rejoice in all your mighty grasp as me and those words were such a comfort to my to my heart in in the struggle in the suffering

[00:29:21] to know that i could rely on the Lord and that he was holding us through this hard time it wasn't just my strength because in my own strength it's pretty frail and that that song meant so much

[00:29:31] to us that that's actually one of the songs on the album we just put out we re we rewrote it into a modern song and then that's a theology but we put that on the album because it got us through

[00:29:44] a dark moment and on new album it's called between bright joys and clouds of doubt we changed it just a little yeah we didn't keep the word twix yeah let me just mention real quickly if people like to

[00:29:56] know more about you we have a link of course to kenny and claire dot com and kenny let me come to you for just a minute because when i click on events i see first of all that you have a really

[00:30:07] album or release tour right now based on upon the storm album release tour which is taking you to illinois wisconsin to texas just down the road too bad we didn't have you on when you just

[00:30:17] down the road from us but nevertheless uh there are all sorts of ways in which people can connect up with you and if certainly if they would like to listen they can click the listen button

[00:30:28] but maybe if they'd like to see you in concert they can do that as well and an illustration of the fact that even with your diagnosis you've got a pretty significant schedule of various

[00:30:38] events don't you yeah yeah the lord has been really kind to help me find some friends who are physicians and in the medical world that have been able to help me deal with a lot of my symptoms

[00:30:54] it is degenerative you know it's one of those things but just learning some good habit some supplements and things to take it really kind of kept me on my feet but book year round

[00:31:05] we travel the country and if anybody wants to book we're booking at kinnyandclair.com but we uh we love traveling we actually just got back to Tennessee from Philadelphia this morning

[00:31:18] and we'll be heading up to Chicago on Thursday and again i want people to go to the website and find out a little bit more when you go there again you'll be able to listen

[00:31:26] there's a whole section on chords and lead sheets for those of you that want to learn from that and of course just the other day when i was in Alaska we had a tour

[00:31:35] interestingly enough and i was crossing paths with a number of people that of course you would know as well and i might just say that for example you've had some things in the getty music

[00:31:45] of him writing collective and the rest but when people go to the website if they want to know more there's a newsletter and some other things so again you encourage people to go to the

[00:31:57] website we're going to go to a break in just a minute that's where they can subscribe to your newsletter and find out a little bit more maybe even schedule you to come in your own their own church

[00:32:05] right that's correct yeah we we go to churches of all sizes and we love to work with people well let's take a break and when we come back uh just a few more minutes with you before i let

[00:32:14] you go steve clary will be in with us in studio as we talk about the eye bible uh visual presentation then we'll get back to lots of issues in the news some of which we've had to

[00:32:23] postpone because of so many things that have been announced today of course you've heard about the fact we now have a vice presidential nominee we've talked a little bit about what happened yesterday in the stock market we also been expressing our concern about what could be

[00:32:37] an unfolding second uh front in a war between not just israel and hamos but now israel and hezbollah to the north so those are all topics that we've addressed so far we'll get into some

[00:32:48] others be for the end of the next hour but let's take a break real quickly we'll talk with them real quickly just get some other perspective and again as we go to a break

[00:32:59] go to kenny and claire dot com you can find out a little bit more about their music you can find out about maybe a chance to listen to the various songs and other resources of course they've

[00:33:12] been featuring right now upon the storm uh twelve different songs on that particular album i mentioned the other one are you weary and others that you can find there on the website all available at the

[00:33:23] website point of view dot net and once again talking about the value and really the importance of music in terms of healing our souls and music in the midst of suffering we'll talk more about that

[00:33:36] right after these important messages with kenny and claire hilliard and talking about music in the midst of suffering this may be a question for either of you and that is it seems to me that

[00:34:10] we have lots of evidence first of all in scripture about the value of music i can think in first samuel 16 where david is uh using harp and music to calm the tormented soul of sol and we throughout

[00:34:28] history have seen that and it does seem to me that certainly any kind of music can do that but because kenny of some of the things that you've been through i think it probably resonates even more

[00:34:41] with people in the audience that are really going through a difficult struggle right now yeah it's um it's remarkable the the lord has ordered music um not just to affect the

[00:34:54] mind but the heart in uh really remarkable ways when i was younger um a group of guys at our church gathered together a bluegrass band and towed me along and uh we were serving in nursing

[00:35:06] homes and one of the things that i saw was there were these people there who didn't know their own family members um but if you struck up the chords to an old song they'd know every word they'd

[00:35:18] sing it know the melody and uh i think that in my opinion like that that shows how indelible the mark is that music makes honest and that's true of hymns but also any old timey tune we

[00:35:29] could play but but as a worship leader and as a pastor it made me really um think hard about what words are we putting in the mouths of people as we lead them in worship because those things

[00:35:42] will stick with them longer than some of their own family members um and there's really um you know if you think about history people in prisoners of war or people put in jail even paul in prison

[00:35:53] in act it was the singing of hymns and songs that brought peace to them uh even even as they're imprisoned and struggling and so i think in a lot of ways the lord orders music to help us

[00:36:08] in in any kind of emotional struggle that we're in um and one of the reasons that hymns can even be so sweet at funerals um helping those who are mourning the loss of someone find some

[00:36:21] closure as well the music is just very um uh very effective when it comes to the to the mind the heart the spirit that's so well said and again i think we have all probably if we've been out on youtube

[00:36:34] seen stories of individuals with advanced dementia all simmers who are certainly don't remember any family members name face or anything but boy you sing a song especially some of the great hymns i've seen somewhere they'll have an opera singer sing that and they'll just sing along and so

[00:36:55] that is still indelible even in a brain that is beginning to decay so very significant but before we let you go i thought kenny and claire maybe you could maybe share a little bit about

[00:37:05] what happens at a concert because i'm sure you've had some great stories of individuals who've come up afterwards i know as a speaker i've had people come up after i've said something very profound or people that i've interviewed have spoken and maybe touched a nerve and had

[00:37:22] long lines of people wanting to come up and share how meaningful that was and i would imagine that as you share your testimony first in words then in music you've had some very profound responses

[00:37:34] from the audience haven't you we have we have it's been amazing to see what the lord does and how the word uses things like music it's very humbling to see the lord use a song that we've written

[00:37:50] in somebody's life i know that i don't do that i don't have that power but i know that the lord uses these things um there was a sweet lady who came up to me after a concert a few months ago

[00:38:02] and she started to tell me her story of how she how indeed she was weary one of our songs is are you weary and i want to come and talk to you more but first i'm going to go visit my

[00:38:14] husband's grave outside and to hear to hear this sweet woman later come back and pour her heart out over the struggle and the suffering that she's had but at the same time

[00:38:30] speaks to me about her her hope in the lord and how the lord had encouraged her heart it's as i said just amazing to see what the lord does um one of the things that we like to do

[00:38:47] in our concerts is we've shared our original music we've shared our rewritten hymns but then we've also intentionally included congregational hymns that people know and love things like feed on my vision come now found oh we traveled across the country and it's guaranteed almost anywhere we go

[00:39:08] someone's going to know those songs and we do that intentionally to encourage the congregation to sing and to encourage them in the importance of um it's not just about our performance but

[00:39:23] their voices and singing the truths of the gospel to one another as well as of course to the lord but as the scripture says mean to one another in songs and hymns and spiritual songs um it's been a gift

[00:39:35] to try to encourage congregational singing as we've introduced our new music as well and i've seen it's interesting as we as we share our concerts we do intentionally try to include the gospel through music um and i can almost see a change in the audience though

[00:39:54] as soon as we start to talk about how these songs personally affect us because at first it's almost the attitude of oh well they're just saying nice things or they're just rehearsing nice things

[00:40:06] and then as we share a bit of our story it's almost the attitude changes to oh you really mean this or oh this has actually been helpful to you um or oh this is how the gospel has applied in

[00:40:17] this situation um and it's been such a gift to be able to see that but it also encourages us all the more to share our story because in sharing our personal story we also know that everyone

[00:40:34] else has a story and it seems to be a lot more relatable um as we have the freedom to be open and honest hopefully they can be open and honest and return and to see how the gospel

[00:40:46] applies to specifically their life and and their story let me encourage you just to go to the website which we have at our website point of view dot net or you can go directly to kenny and clare

[00:40:58] dot com you can find out more about their music and you can certainly order it there there are a list of events and all sorts of chords and lead sheets in case you are in the music

[00:41:10] ministry in your own church you might benefit from that as well and if you'd like to correspond with them have them come and speak maybe just to benefit from some of their conversations and some of their music or i'd like to um be able to point them

[00:41:25] or other people to them i certainly want to encourage you to go to the website which is point of view dot net and of course we have a link to their website as well

[00:41:34] which again is kenny and clare dot com so i want to thank both of you for being with us and wish you well on your tour thank you so much for having us yeah we're going to take a break

[00:41:45] and when we come back we're going to talk about the i bible and uh first of all you're going to i think be encouraged to know that there is a visual bible second of all we'll get into the

[00:41:55] fact that we assume that most people could read the bible but that's not even true even if we have a good bible translation and so is there a way to reach a lot of unreached people groups

[00:42:08] with a visual bible and the answer is yes there is so we're going to be talking with steve clary he's been with us before as we've talked about the visual pilgrims progress and he is back in studio

[00:42:18] with us today in the second hour to talk about the i bible and some of the resources that you will find helpful as well through revelation media one last time let me just mention that

[00:42:29] we do have a trip to greece that will be next year may 17th to the 27th and it involves not only traveling through greece from philipi and thesela nica all the way through baria down to

[00:42:43] corinth and athens then we'll get on a boat that gives us a chance then to go to emphasis to pat most to crete to centurini and a variety of other places that you will really enjoy as well if

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