Point of View August 5, 2026 – Hour 2 : Sen Lindsey Graham, Born of Ideas

[00:00:04] Across America, Live, this is Point of View, and now, Kirby Anderson. Broadcasting again from New Hampshire, and Word Radio, which is in WSEW, and it has been a great opportunity to meet some of the donors.

[00:00:29] Spend some time here in the studio with, of course, the station manager, but I thought we would also love to hear from the wife, and so we've already heard from Ron, we're going to hear from Sharon, but let me just give you an overview of what we're going to cover this next hour. First of all, we've got some very good articles, one on Socialism Hits the Shelves. We're going to talk about what is it about the establishment of a state-owned or city-owned grocery store? What could possibly go wrong with that?

[00:00:59] So we're going to talk about that because Ron Mamdani has been doing that, and of course, we've had some experiences with that. It hasn't worked out well in Kansas City and Chicago. Also, a very good piece by our good friend Victor Davis Hanson is Communism No Longer a Slur. But then in the last half hour, we're going to spend some time talking with our guest Lawrence Reed, and Larry Reed is the author, really the compiler, if you will, of this book, Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America.

[00:01:28] So I think you're going to appreciate that, especially with America 250 years. We've certainly wanted to teach as much as we can about America's godly heritage, and I think you're going to really appreciate that conversation. But I thought since we spent some time talking with Ron, we might talk with Sharon. And you are married, of course, to Ron. And first of all, thank you for your gracious hospitality here at the radio station. Well, we are truly blessed to be able to have you here, and hospitality is what we all do in the body of Christ.

[00:01:57] So thanks for coming. It's just a delight to have you both here. And we had Ron here talking. I tried to get him to talk a little bit about the step-by-step process. But you can speak to that more, because my wife will certainly remind me of the fact that years ago, before we were even doing Point of View, I was doing a radio show out of our home. And you can relate to that, can you not? So tell us a story. Yes, I can relate to that.

[00:02:23] We started doing our broadcast ministry a long time ago, 40 years ago. We were putting some signal up on Mount Washington, and we were raising children and homeschooling. And we had the boys stuffing cassettes and keeping track of what we called traffic. And we moved from there up to our other location, and it has been just a journey. We started way back. We came out of Chicago and Moody Bible Institute. We went to Hawaii with the Billy Graham Station.

[00:02:53] And it all started with our love for God's Word and a way to reach people at home, come back, and give them the Word of God in a way that we had never been exposed to. So we've basically been a content-oriented radio station, and it's been interesting. I am pretty much all in. Well, again, Moody Broadcasting is something I'm very familiar with. Even before I ever did Point of View, when Marlon asked me to be a guest host,

[00:03:21] I'd already done some things on the Moody Radio Network, and that still is a place where my commentaries go as well as to many other places. So I'm very well familiar with that. And one of the things you learn at Moody Bible Institute is how this broadcast medium has had such a profound impact. I know individuals who become Christians. I know people that have gotten their lives straight. I've been able to perceive, just as we were talking last hour with Steve Russell about mission aviation and things like that,

[00:03:50] all sorts of things come from radio, and it is a wonderful medium. I have met a number of people up here in New Hampshire that say, I feel like I know you. Well, it's because they're listening to the radio. Their radio is in their home, or they're not listening to it on their computer. They feel like they know you because you're coming into their area. And that's what you found here with all the different listeners that you have, haven't you? Yes, it is, and we have had so many faithful listeners over the years.

[00:04:16] And it has been a time where truly God's Word, starting at Moody Bible Institute, I mean, that was just a step. People in New England are hearing it because Ron and I were stationed in the Navy, you know, 50-some-odd more years ago. And here God has impressed us to bring it back. And I just followed along with it.

[00:04:37] We raised four children in the whole process, and we have done everything from all of this networking is from our home. And the studio, as I explained to you once, Kirby, we were doing a recording from the boys' bedrooms downstairs. And I know you know what that's like, and it's always fun to meet people over the years and be in people who share the same vision we do to get God's Word out to as many people as we can.

[00:05:07] Wow, we can. So you are a Christian worldview part of our programming for years, and we're just so glad for Marlon and all he did and Probe Ministries and all you've offered to listeners to grow their faith and understand how to live in this world. When I go to your website, one of the things you talk about is partners. And Jana Weidler is with me, and, of course, we always talk about our partners. But you have education partners. You have church partners. You have ministry partners.

[00:05:35] And I thought for just a minute, since Ron was talking about the fact that it's really easy to feel isolated up here, what you need to do is have some people begin to hold your hands or link arms. And for all of our broadcasting, from Florida to Maine, from California to Alaska, I think there are some that say we couldn't do it without all of our partners. Can you speak to that for just a minute? Yes, I would certainly say that.

[00:06:01] We have had partners, individual donors and partners through the years. We've had people. This is our home. We came back to our home church, and the churches in our area, and the Christian pastors and the lady across the street who believed we were going to do it from her barn roof all the way. So people who believed in the importance of radio. But every one of our listeners has a story, and some listen by choice and some listen by chance,

[00:06:30] and they all get to hear what the Holy Spirit is doing in their lives way before when the programs were produced, before they ever listened. So it's just pretty amazing. And our church partners have been pastors that we've grown up with and expand that, and ministry partners. We want to partner. We support one another.

[00:06:50] It's like that partnering part, more than just the financial support as it is with being mutually beneficial to each other and sharing those stories back. So as you are mutually beneficial to the partners, we have that reciprocal relationship. So we're grateful for everyone and how the Lord's provided for us. We're certainly grateful for the partnership we have with you.

[00:07:17] I mean, again, we have Warren Kelly calling up and saying, hey, you know, we'd like to come up here. And you're going, okay, which microphones do you need? And we bring it all. As you can see, you're wearing the headphones and the broadcasting material. We've got the comics and all of that. And it is just something we've really enjoyed. And as we get to travel around, I get the sense of what this studio is like. And when I'll be broadcasting and when somebody calls in from New Hampshire, I'm going to be thinking of Word Radio, and I'm going to think of the studio here.

[00:07:45] And, again, people, if they came up here right now, would say, well, look at you. What a nice studio and everything. But you remember the old days when, you know, it was in boxes and things of that nature. Isn't that something? That's for sure. And all of our equipment, this studio table and everything was all donated. All our microphones were donated. We're just so blessed the Lord has just met all our needs. And it's good. Well, again, business partners, church partners, ministry partners. It's all about the body of Christ. Program partners. Program partners, for sure. Yeah, don't forget them.

[00:08:16] Well, we need to go to a break. But, Sharon, thank you so very much. And, Ron, thank you again. When we come back, we're going to talk about socialism for a while. Well, it's in the news, so it seems like a topic that we should address. And so I want to talk a little bit about these state-run and city-run grocery stores because there's more to that story, and you'll only hear it here on Point of View. Let's take a break. We'll be right back.

[00:09:00] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. Mike Rowe sat down with Vice President J.D. Vance and spent some time talking about the dignity of work. Mike reflected on the time he was on Meet the Press 10 years ago. During the conversation, he mentioned J.D. Vance's book, Hillbilly Elegy. Since that interview, people have been saying that the two of them were singing out of the same hymnal, different tunes, but the same message.

[00:09:27] Mike Rowe said that we need to think about the dignity of work, which he observed has been really confused. He says, I think a lot of people in the country think about dignified work through the lens of the circumstances of the job itself, the conditions. Is it too hot? Is it too cold? Do I have insurance? Do I have a lunch break? They concluded the thing that gives work dignity is if it blesses someone else. So Mike Rowe talked about a study from a World War II POW camp.

[00:09:54] Half the prisoners were forced to build a barracks. He says the hours were terrible. The work was hard. The conditions were brutal. The other group was basically charged with carrying large vessels of water across the yard and dumping them out in nowhere specific. Although the men building the barracks were essentially slave labor, at least they were building something significant. They were much better off mentally. The men who lost their minds were the ones dumping water and forced to do meaningless work.

[00:10:22] You know, this was a great conversation about the dignity of work. As I discuss in my booklet on a biblical view of work, Christians need to address the issue of work. I quote many of the proverbs that talk about the value of work. And our labor is meaningful because we are created in God's image. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:49] Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net. That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back once again broadcasting from Word Radio here in New Hampshire. And I thought before we spend a little bit of time talking about this book at the bottom of the hour,

[00:11:16] we have Lawrence Reed talking about the Born of Ideas book, and I'll get into that a little bit later. I thought it would be good to cover a few issues having to do with socialism. You will find an article that says socialism hits the shelves. And then also one that comes from our friend Victor Davis Hanson is communism no longer a slur. And I think we'll pick out both of them very quickly. The first is an article that comes from Ashley Evdokino.

[00:11:43] I do not know her, but she has talked about the fact that, of course, you have the mayor of New York City, Zoran Mamdani, after winning, wanted to then say that one of the ways in which we want to implement socialism and to help individuals with affordability is have a city-run grocery store in every one of the boroughs.

[00:12:06] Now, she points out that on the surface, the surface of this seems like a proposal that sounds compassionate. You have lower prices. You have cheaper groceries. This could be helpful for some individuals. So who could possibly oppose that? Well, we want to spend a little bit of time trying to get into that. First of all, there's just a question of intent. As she raises the question, and you can read this in the article that appeared in Town Hall and other places,

[00:12:35] when did the government stop being the safety net and decide that it should go into business? You can begin to think about what that might mean. The government already has an incredible safety net here. We've got SNAP and WIC and all sorts. We've got the school lunch programs and breakfast programs. We have food banks. We have churches, all sorts of other things. So it's not like people don't have access to food, although we do sometimes have food deserts. I understand that. We've talked about that before.

[00:13:05] But to then force the government or to encourage the government or to even have the government lead into this, that is the case. And more importantly, she says, and since those programs already exist, why should the taxpayers then have to spend an additional, are you ready for this, $70 million to open government-backed grocery stores?

[00:13:29] And I might also point out that those government grocery stores may drive into bankruptcy some of the bodegas and other convenience stores nearby. So what's going on here? Well, let's just be honest. These stores are really not so much to produce food as much as it is to sell socialism. Now, the plan that comes from the mayor, and I take him at face value,

[00:13:56] says that he wants to reduce prices by 30%. Well, just start thinking through the implications of what that might mean. Because if, indeed, you can buy foodstuffs, it could be produce, it could be products, it could be packaged goods, whatever it might be, at 30% off, you know what's going to happen. I mean, I believe in human sinfulness, don't you? People are going to buy lots of produce, lots of packaged goods, and they're going to go and sell them on the black market.

[00:14:25] And so then, the argument being made right now by Zoran Mamdani is that, well, then we have to make sure that people who are buying these are only living in New York City. So now, you're going to have to produce an ID, probably a photo ID to buy groceries. Are you seeing the possible irony here? Democrats that don't want you to use a photo ID to vote, now are going to, what?

[00:14:55] Require you to get a photo ID to buy groceries. And, of course, if, indeed, you do get a run on these, because the prices will be lower, you're going to get a run on the stores. And it's not like we haven't seen this. We've seen this in Kansas City. We've seen it in Chicago, where something similar has taken place, where the cupboards are bare. And we're not talking about Old Mother Hubbard here. We're talking about bare cupboards, because, indeed, people come in and clean them out.

[00:15:24] So then, in order to keep them going, it's not going to cost you, I guarantee you, $70 million. It might even cost you $140 million. It could double almost overnight. And so what starts out as whole foods becomes no foods. And I think these are why I think we just need to understand that a lot of this is to try to promote socialism. If, indeed, the government owns your health care plan, if government owns your grocery store,

[00:15:52] if government determines what kinds of products you can purchase, this, of course, becomes socialism. So there's a lot more at stake. And one of the other articles I thought of posting, which came out a couple of months ago, or at least a few weeks ago, was, Zobron Mamdani might learn maybe from the lesson of Boris Yeltsin. I did a commentary on it years ago, but if you are not familiar, at the time, Brunsch Yeltsin was the leader of Russia.

[00:16:22] And when he came to the United States, he was given a tour of, of course, NASA in Houston. And at the end, wanted to go to a grocery store. So he went and visited Randall's Supermarket in Houston, Texas, for basically a 20-minute unplanned pit stop. And this is after, of course, going to NASA's Johnson Space Center. And he goes in there, and he's completely overwhelmed.

[00:16:50] Because he is saying, as he recorded later on, the wealthiest people in Russia did not have access to the amount of choices of food that were available at Randall's Supermarket. Why? Because, of course, that's what happens in a socialist economy. Now, of course, Zobron Mamdani won't be dealing with that as much. But it shows you what happens when you do have a socialist economy. Because we're only going to make one kind of bread.

[00:17:20] We're only going to make one kind of peanut butter. We're only going to make meat available. But there aren't any incentives. So a lot of people aren't going to grow things. They're not going to raise cattle. All the kinds of issues that surface in a socialist economy. And in some respects, it's just a reminder that Zoram Mamdani might learn a vicarious lesson from the former president of Russia, Boris Yeltsin,

[00:17:45] who was just shocked at what, again, a free market provides compared to what a socialist economy did not provide. But just before we go, let's just also mention the fact that now, even though we refer to these individuals as democratic socialists, even the other day they had this socialist summit in Chicago where they refer to themselves as communists.

[00:18:09] So when we call many of these people that are socialist communists, that's the phrase they use themselves. But Victor Davis Hanson spends some time, indeed, in which he wrote a very good piece, Is Communism No Longer a Slur? And he says it's not difficult these days to see the neo-communist flip side of democratic socialists once they find power. And he points out that they have been, for some time, declaring capitalism a failure.

[00:18:38] And now you see socialists starting to say that, well, capitalism isn't working. We now know it doesn't work, and so we have to come up with something else, which, of course, gets to what I just mentioned a minute ago with the mayor of New York City, Zoran Mamdani, wanting to actually establish city-run grocery stores. But then Victor Davis Hanson takes us another direction,

[00:19:02] because now he wants to not only take over the issue of producing food and selling food, but he also wants to take over the responsibility of landlords. And if you've not been following that, that's pretty significant, because Zoran Mamdani now has sent out a public list of nearly the one million New York City homeowners,

[00:19:27] and it's an official warning to 17,000 of these property owners that if within four weeks they cannot prove that they have lived full-time in their own properties, the city will levy a huge surtax on them to drive home the point that no one should own an additional home in New York City. And so in some respects what many people wonder is if there's just one step before we get one of these show trials taking place.

[00:19:56] And so he's really flipped the American tradition of innocent until proven guilty. Now these New Yorkers will have to actually be presumed to be guilty unless they can prove that this is their place of residence. And, of course, you know what's going to happen twofold. Number one, he wants to flush out and then even dox anyone owning two homes as an enemy of the people.

[00:20:22] And number two, because he will dox it, you know there will be protests in front of those homes. And second of all, he really wants to force what could be a massive fire sale of second homes that would crash the home values in general and then be used to, quote, redistribute these homes to some of the people Mondame believes are the ones that deserve them. So we're starting to see the other side of socialism.

[00:20:51] And, of course, we don't have a lot of time today to cover it. But we will, in the future, talk about how what maybe sounds good on the front end isn't so good, after all, for the citizens that find themselves in New York City. And, again, it is not surprising because we've been warning for some time about some of the dangers of socialism. Let's take a break, though. Going to spend some time talking about this new book, Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America.

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[00:23:06] The opinions expressed on Point of View do not necessarily reflect the views of the management or staff of this station. And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson. Back once again as we broadcast from New Hampshire. It's just been a wonderful trip up here. Last half hour, and we're going to spend some time talking about a book that is not out yet, but it will be out in September. Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America.

[00:23:33] It is so fitting to have that book because, as we have talked about so many times, with the 250th anniversary of America, we always want to teach you some history. And this is a book, 176 pages, 32 small, very readable chapters. Some of the individuals that the author is writing about are familiar to you. Many of them are not. And this is a great way to educate you about that issue.

[00:24:01] The author is Lawrence Reed. Larry Reed is an individual we've known for many years. Spent 21 years as the president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. And, of course, best known by many of us as spending 11 years as president of the Foundation for Economic Education. He's the author of all sorts of columns and books and resources as well. Of course, he's written some other similar.

[00:24:27] Real Heroes, Inspiring True Stories of Courage, Character, and Conviction. And, of course, this one, Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America. So, Larry, thank you so very much for joining us today here on Point of View. Hey, it's a pleasure, Kirby. Thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. I might just mention that normally I get a chance to read through an entire book. It's not out yet.

[00:24:52] So I've been able to look at every one of the 176 pages of the PDF. But I tend to really try to really dig into this. So when I get my book, I'm going to turn it into at least one of my viewpoints commentary because you really give us an education about America.

[00:25:10] But let's, if nothing else, recognize that there are some really key principles that we could possibly apply because, in some respects, we're talking about, essentially, the American Revolution. And you start off by reminding us that there have been lots of revolutions in the world. As a matter of fact, the sad reality is when we talk about some of those revolutions, they, interestingly enough, are so numerous to count.

[00:25:40] And I thought it was interesting. You even asked ChatGBT. And when ChatGBT says too many to count, you know it's very significant. But there is something unique about the American Revolution in contrast to, say, the French Revolution or the Bolshevik Revolution. And that's why you wrote the book, isn't it? Yes, it is. Especially because of the 250th anniversary, I thought we needed to be reminded of how special this country is.

[00:26:09] And in the history of revolutions around the world, the American Revolution stands out as one that actually delivered. They all promised power to the people, but usually they end up, you know, power to the dictator. But America really delivered. And we were motivated by some of the most noble ideas that have ever been conceived. Again, let me just mention that this is a book that's coming out. So we do have information about that.

[00:26:38] So if you'd like to preorder it, which is what I'm going to do, I, of course, have access to the PDF. And I thought before the American Revolution, let's at least set the scene. And, of course, your first chapter has to do with the covenant that changed the world. Now, when I was at Georgetown University, I had a professor who maybe didn't agree with me on too many issues. But he was the first to actually make the statement, which I agree with, that really the first constitution in America was the Mayflower Compact.

[00:27:04] Because before they actually established a colony, they established this compact. And that 200-word statement, you say, really is the foundation of what we today think of in terms of a constitution republic. Because it wasn't a covenant between the king, in this particular case, King John or anybody else or King James. But instead, it was between a like-minded people with God as co-signatory.

[00:27:35] So right off the bat, you can go to 1620. And we're right up here in a town that was established in 1623, right here in New Hampshire. You can see how important something as simple as the Mayflower Compact was really key to the founding of this country, wasn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

[00:27:54] In fact, it was the first document concerning governance in world history between two groups of people not involving a monarch or any government at the time. And that makes it quite remarkable. It was two groups of people, the pilgrims and the so-called strangers that the investors in the Mayflower Project had put on the boat.

[00:28:17] And when they realized that they were blown way off course, and instead of landing in Virginia, where they were supposed to, they were going to land in what is now Massachusetts. That's when the so-called strangers, that second group of people on the boat, threatened to take a walk. They didn't feel bound by the agreement since they were way off course.

[00:28:39] So the pilgrims said, well, why don't we work up an agreement in advance before we land so that we can all stick together because we're going to need each other in this new land. And that's what the Mayflower Compact did. It said what we're going to set up when we land is a government of mutual consent. God will be our king, you might say. I'm not sure they put it exactly like that, but that's what they meant.

[00:29:05] And that we will participate together by mutual consent in a government in which we will all have a stake. No intolerance and no dictatorship. Very good. And let me just jump in real quickly because while we're talking about the pilgrims and we'll get to American Revolution, it's very relevant that one of your chapters is from socialism to private property. We've been talking about Zoran Mamdani and Abdul Al-Sayed.

[00:29:33] But William Bradford was under a contract from England to have all of the food under common stores. In a sense, from each would be able to achieve what they would want to do. So from each according to their ability to each according to their need. And that was kind of Marxism before Marxism was there. William Bradford looks around and says, you know, this socialist experiment is not working.

[00:29:59] And so as early as really 1621, 1622, all the way down to 1623, there was a reality that socialism doesn't work. And unfortunately, the mayor of New York City, the mayor of Seattle, and even some of these candidates didn't get the memo because we've already tried this socialist experiment in America, and it was a failure, wasn't it? Yes, it was. That's exactly right.

[00:30:25] But true to form, most socialists today really don't care about outcomes. I mean, you can talk to most of them. I'm sure Mamdani would be the same until you're blue in the face about how socialism failed everywhere it was tried. But for most of them, that doesn't matter. They think that their good intentions, their breastbeating and virtue signaling is all that's necessary, plus their good intentions, to somehow make it work for the first time in history.

[00:30:52] But Governor Bradford, in his diary of Plymouth Plantation, he pointed out that they were going to starve if they kept that socialist arrangement. So instead, he said, we're done with that. We're going to divide up the land, and each person or each family will get a plot. It'll be theirs. They can grow what they want, sell it for whatever price they can get, and they will survive or flourish or perish depending on their own efforts,

[00:31:21] not this common property kind of thing that just causes people to be lazy and rely upon others who work. Well, let's fast forward to the chain of events that you talk about, and that is when you have a long train of abuses and usurpations, there was a desire on the part of the colonists to alter or abolish government, in this case to declare their independence in 1776.

[00:31:50] And what I think is so helpful in your chapter is you help them understand how King George came into power, how in some respects you had this Sugar Act, you had the Stamp Act, you had a number of others. And the way you've written this is something that would be helpful for a lot of us who maybe didn't have all of the teaching we would need when we were in school, in the public schools.

[00:32:14] But this is something that we could read to our kids and help them understand as we read through the 32 short chapters. And I think each one is short enough to keep their attention and to help them understand why we declared independence from Great Britain. And in some respects, it was that chain of events that led to 1776, 250 years ago.

[00:32:37] Yeah. John Adams, our second president and a very active revolutionary in the 1770s, he pointed out that by 1776, the time of the Declaration of Independence, there had already been a revolution in the minds and the hearts of the American colonies. That's right. Thanks to the better ideas of the Enlightenment and also the Great Awakening,

[00:33:05] you had Americans from north to south who had become well-versed in the ideas of constitutional republicanism, limited government, respect for the individual and his property. And so when this chain of events from London began with George III coming to power... Gave us the Declaration. I need to take a break real quickly, and then we'll come back and finish that off, because again, I want to get into the revolution as well.

[00:33:33] But we are privileged today to be spending some time talking with Lawrence Reed. We'll come back right after this.

[00:33:41] We're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back for a few more minutes as we talk with Lawrence Reed.

[00:34:09] Let me just mention that this book is coming out in September, and it is actually published by our friends at Grove City College. And Jan and I the other day had a chance to meet with someone who was a graduate of Grove City College. Of course, Larry, you were a graduate of Grove City. And so again, this particular book is one that I think you will enjoy. Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America.

[00:34:33] Of course, I mentioned his earlier book, Two Stories of Courage, Character, and Conviction, Real Heroes. So some great resources, great books. We want to educate you. We want to educate your children. We want to educate your grandchildren about this history of America. And Larry, you were talking about something that I've mentioned before on the program. As a matter of fact, I think it's in our book on One Nation Under God, our little booklet.

[00:34:57] Because John Adams, who was the second president of the United States, first vice president, father of another president, who also served, was there at the beginning and talks about how, in some respects, the idea of revolution was in the hearts and minds of the colonists. And that really came from some of the patriot preachers of the time, the so-called black regiment.

[00:35:23] Because they had black robes, they were seen as those who were really challenging people to think about these issues of liberty and freedom from a biblical point of view. Of course, you can also find that in our Patriot Preachers booklet. But these are resources that you have made available. And if nothing else, as always, I thank you for the writing that you do, because I want to educate the next generation to learn more about our history, especially on 250 years of our anniversary.

[00:35:52] Well, thank you, Kirby. You know, one of my favorites of that period that you probably know about rather well was Reverend Jonathan Mayhew. He was one of the earliest of the so-called black regiment, the preachers and pastors who were explaining to the American people why it's important to give allegiance to their government as long as it performs the duties that government is supposed to perform.

[00:36:21] But in 1750, he gave a sermon in which he said, when governments depart from their mandate from God of serving the cause of things like justice, well, then they lose the and should lose the allegiance of the people they govern. So that planted, helped to plant the seeds that would blossom with the Declaration in 1770. Yes. Preset whole sermon, basically on civil disobedience.

[00:36:48] And then that sermon was reprinted and spent all over the colonies. And so, again, one of the justifications for the Declaration of Independence came from a person like Jonathan Mayhew. By the way, he's probably best known for another phrase you probably heard before, no taxation without representation. But Delirio oftentimes said, you know, if we ever see him in heaven, we might say, if you thought taxation without representation was bad, you should see what taxation with representation looks like.

[00:37:16] But nevertheless, let me just for a few minutes talk about how people can use your book. Because, first of all, as people read through that, you talk about Samuel Adams, you talk about Nathan Hale, you talk about Patrick Henry, talk about Thomas Paine. These are people that you would know if you've studied history. I'm sure there are a fair number of people saying, well, I don't know much about them, so that's probably why I need to get the book. But you then go into stories of others that, even if you majored in American history, you probably don't know about.

[00:37:45] And so in these 32 chapters, I'll admit, even though I'm a student of this particular area of history, there were some stories I did not know, and I want to dig into them a little bit more. So in some respects, you're really trying to educate this generation, the older generation, so that they can educate their children and grandchildren, the next generation, so that they really recover the history that's been lost. Is that fair?

[00:38:13] Yeah, absolutely, Kirby. I talk about people like Phyllis Wheatley, who was the first black poetess who wrote poetry to be published in America. She was a believer in the American cause. I also talk about Mercy Otis Warren, who was known in her lifetime, she died in the early 1800s, as the conscience of the American Revolution.

[00:38:41] And Thomas Jefferson, when he was president, actually ordered every member of his cabinet to read her book about the American Revolution and what led up to it. I just mentioned, too, since you brought that up, that you have whole sections on the influence of African Americans, some who were slaves at the time, others who were freed, Native Americans. So in some respects, this is, I think, a very inclusive kind of history.

[00:39:10] But I would be remiss, since you are not only a historian but an economist, to point out that you have some chapters on America's first paper money. We have, of course, Not Worth a Continental and a few others. And then even the sound money at Yorktown. We've had some problems in the past, and we have some problems right now, Larry, about the fact that our money isn't as good as gold. So can you speak to that issue for a minute? Yeah. As an economist, I worry about that all the time.

[00:39:40] Because the lessons of history tell us that when you put government in charge of money and then essentially give it carte blanche to run money however it so chooses, and then it also spends like crazy and runs massive deficits, well, you're giving it an open invitation to debase the currency. That's what the Second Continental Congress did.

[00:40:03] It couldn't tax in the 1770s, so to help pay for the war, they just printed paper money, and that actually caused more harm than good. And the paper money became utterly worthless. So we ought to learn from our own history and put some brakes on what our modern-day Federal Reserve can do. I just mentioned that, again, we have a link so that if people would like to preorder it, it's coming out basically the first weekend in September.

[00:40:32] People can get it in paperback or Kindle. And the way you've put this together is I think I've already alluded to the fact that this could be something that you could read each night to your kids. For all our listeners out there that are homeschooling their kids, this is just perfect for the way in which this is put together. Or you could say let's just have a family devotional and we'll just pick out one chapter each night. It would take a month to get through those. And I think you're going to find those fascinating.

[00:41:00] And I'll guarantee you, even if you majored in American history, there are some things that you will learn in this book. And so in some respects, that's why you wrote the book. And so if people want to get a copy, we have a link so that people can preorder it. And so, again, I'm very appreciative of the fact that you wrote the book. And as always, it's great to have you on the program with us. Hey, my pleasure, Kirby. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Let's, if I can, just point out that we're broadcasting today from New Hampshire.

[00:41:28] I believe that Dr. Murrow Matthews will be our host tomorrow back in Dallas. But I just thought it would be good for you to hear all the things that are happening. I mean, Jana and I and others have been able to go through a couple of states. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, now New Hampshire. So that's just a few that we might have been able to go through.

[00:41:53] So I just thought it would be fun to do at least a broadcast from our good friends up here at Word Radio. They've been very gracious. We've really enjoyed meeting some of the individuals that are here. And if we haven't met with you yet, well, there's always the next day or two. But then we're heading on to some other activities. But this is just our way, first of all, of getting out and meeting those of you who are partners with us. We greatly appreciate your financial support. I appreciate your prayers for that as well.

[00:42:21] But just before we wind down, let me just first of all thank Jana because she's been the engineer today here. And, of course, we also have Megan who's engineering in Dallas and Derek who's producing in Dallas. And I'm sure there have been a few others that have been involved with us. I know Warren was providing some of that. So if nothing else, if you find yourself saying, well, I'd like to learn a little bit more about some of the issues you've addressed, go to the show materials on the website, pointofview.net.

[00:42:48] And we look forward to seeing you tomorrow right here on Point of View right as we broadcast once again tomorrow from Dallas, Texas. We'll see you then.

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