Point of View August 5, 2024 – Hour 1 : You Can Never Have Enough Kids

[00:00:00] A Cross America Live This is Point of View The addition of point of view and again we're going to just a minute talk about this precipitous drop in the stock market

[00:00:28] But first of all I want to say it has been great to be away for a little bit of time I've been in Alaska my wife and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary And so we decided to gather up some of our children as well as one couple

[00:00:42] That's somebody that's actually known Suzanne longer than I have and we went on an Alaska cruise Which was delightful my wife will tell you that it couldn't have gone better And that's a phrase she uses occasionally and it was certainly appropriate there

[00:00:55] Do want to thank a penidexter and dr. Mohr Matthews for covering while I was gone, but certainly I come back to a Drop in this stock market so we will talk about that a matter of fact

[00:01:08] It's significant enough that I may have to push off some of the material I was going to cover here before we get dr. Paul Kangaron at the bottom of the hour and then Ryan Brown

[00:01:18] The next hour of course we'll have some time at the end to cover some other issues in the news But fortunately my producer Steve Miller has left some open spots So if we don't get to some of the material I've posed today

[00:01:31] Well, we'll probably get to it tomorrow But I can't avoid talking about the stock market for some of you might say well I don't have money in the stock market. Well, do you have any money in an IRA or a 401k?

[00:01:43] Well, then you probably are in the stock market even if you're not it's going to affect you because the stock market has dropped Well dropped as much if you want to take the Dow Jones average by as much as 1200 points More recently it's in the 800 down 900 down range

[00:02:03] I recognize that those numbers might not make a lot of sense to the few radio Stations that carry this program on tape delay matter of fact, you may know more a few hours from now than what we know right now but

[00:02:17] Pretty significant and I was expecting that this would probably take place. I was watching interestingly enough a YouTube video About it had to do with Bitcoin bit interestingly enough But it was talking about the miners canary the canary in the minor when it drops over

[00:02:37] Tells you that there are poisonous gas and you need to get out Well, the canary in the mine sometimes are some of these risk risk on and risk off assets like Bitcoin is and Bitcoin dropped and when it dropped I thought hmm

[00:02:52] The reason it is more volatile is because it's if you will open 24-7 Whereas they had to wait till the stock market opened this morning and then it dropped And so we are seeing a very significant crash and not just in the United States

[00:03:06] Let me focus for a second on Japan That one dropped so significant that is the worst day since the 1987 black Monday crash of Wall Street And I thought for just a minute you're gonna hear a lot of people talking about the Wall Street

[00:03:23] Crash or today and what that means but some of them will not give you the history And I thought for just a minute. I'd give you a little bit of history

[00:03:32] That's one of my frustrations that we cover in the news so often and especially newscasters on the mainstream media Cover stories, but they never give you the historical background

[00:03:42] I mean the closest you get to any kind of continuity is the weather report where they talk about the weather yesterday And the weather coming up but in most cases they just say this is what happened But when they say what happened since black Monday

[00:03:55] I recognize that some of you may not have been around in 1987 turns out that I was I was actually doing a broadcast from and this is for studios ago I don't keep track by dates as much as I do by studios and I was a little less

[00:04:13] Aware of the fact that these guys were shea waving at me while we were doing a Scheduled interview we really need to talk about the stock market and that's because in October 19th 1987 called black Monday This was one of the worst stock market crashes really since the 1930s

[00:04:33] And so you had a more than 20% plunge in the s&p 500 and in the Dow Jones average As a result They didn't have what we have now called circuit breakers Which would prevent you from dropping too quickly?

[00:04:50] And so as a result now we have a way in which sometimes they will suspend trading for a few minutes and Certainly that suspension sometimes can cool off some of the panic selling

[00:05:04] But back when we were doing point of view and I was the guest host that day Marlin was taking a break or playing golf. I was there on that black Monday And so it reminds me that we have not had something like that

[00:05:20] At least in the Japanese stock market since 1987 and given the fact that I know some of you aren't even old enough to remember that date I thought I would add it

[00:05:31] Let me add one that I think even if you're a millennial or even Gen Z you might know about and that's of course another Significant drop which happened over a series of days and that was the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008 but in particular on September 16th of

[00:05:50] 2008 because of the failure of a lot of these financial institutions and that had to do with the subprime mo loans and Some of the credit default swaps and if you ever want to watch some of the various Films

[00:06:08] Documentaries about that you can learn a little bit more and that's where George W. Bush president at the time signed an emergency economic Stabilization Act and then also created what was called tarp which stood for the troubled asset relief program

[00:06:22] That was the case but let's get back to current evidence that the stock market has dropped significantly not as bad as 1987 here in the United States, but at least as bad for those in Japan

[00:06:36] But NVIDIA dropped a 5% already and that had already been down 23% from its previous high Apple cratered Significantly in part because Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway cut its stake in that iPhone maker in half Some of the other losers Tesla down five and a half percent broad come down 7%

[00:06:58] Super micro computer 12% and on and on what does that mean for you? Well, it means Probably not such good returns on any investments You might have but for all of us it means that there are many people in the stock market And many people even in the treasury

[00:07:19] Right now that are concerned that there might be a recession This is of course not very good news for Kamala Harris who will talk about a little bit later And matter of fact some have even suggested that as she began to rise in the polls

[00:07:33] People thinking that her economic plan which would be I guess we wouldn't call it by dynamics We call it Kamala licks or whatever we're going to call that Would not be good for the stock market may have precipitated some of this as well

[00:07:46] So there are implications for you whether you have money in the stock market or not There are implications for your company There are implications for even your own church because will Individuals who are not doing as well financially be giving to the church at the significant levels

[00:08:06] There are some things that certainly will spring out of this But I did want to at least acknowledge in our first segment today And we'll cover it all through the week of the very

[00:08:17] precipitous drop in the stock market today and the possible implications that might have to you and your family and your Community let's take a break though. We'll get back to a couple of other issues

[00:08:29] Certainly want to talk about some things that been in the news. We haven't really covered very well Although I think certainly the guest hosts have covered some very important topics But I found a few that maybe deserve some attention. We'll talk about that Right after these important messages

[00:08:44] This is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson after a mass shooting one question rarely asked is whether there is any connection to Psychiatric drugs as I've mentioned in previous commentaries. There are many factors and explanations for young men who decide to shoot innocent citizens There's no one-size-fits-all explanation

[00:09:19] It's worth a brief mention that many of these young men were on what are called SSRI drugs that stands for selective Serotonin reuptake inhibitors Correlation is not causation

[00:09:30] But we can't ignore that a significant increase in mass murders and suicide does correlate with the same increase in the use of these Psychotropic drugs just a casual search of the shooter surface a common pattern So many of them are on one or more of these SSRI drugs

[00:09:46] We've learned about the video games and movies the Columbine shooter watched but hear much less about the two drugs He was on we've heard about the racist ideas of the young man who shot up at church in Charleston

[00:09:56] But we have heard much less about the drug. He was on I recently talked about the lost boys of America We need a national conversation about why we are seeing so many mentally disturbed young men

[00:10:07] Loneliness and isolation are an issue broken homes bullying violent video games and several other factors contribute But we need to add the possibility that these drugs are also a factor the Journal of Political Psychology put together a list of numerous mass shootings committed by young men on

[00:10:25] Prescription drugs at the least there seems to be a correlation that is worthy of further research You know lots of factors feed into these horrible mass shootings drug use by these shooters is another factor worth considering I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view

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[00:11:09] Paul Kinger with us at the bottom of the hour He has written a piece which came out a while ago, and I thought it'd be really good to talk about

[00:11:15] You can never have enough kids and at a time when there is more and more emphasis not having children I thought it would be a great message. He's also quite the expert on Marxism

[00:11:25] I want to get some of his comments about some things been said about the presumptive I guess now we can say the actual presidential candidate Kamal Harris even though they have not had the official

[00:11:36] Convention they have had enough delegates to vote in kind of a zoom call convention if you will To actually establish that she will be the presidential candidate So I want to get some comments from him on that as well

[00:11:49] But this has been kind of bad news today for the stock market It's been a really bad news for anybody that is a terrorist and the reason for that probably illustrated by this article by Walter Russell Mead he says coming on the heels of

[00:12:06] strikes that killed Hamas military commander Muhammad deaf in Kanyunas and Hezbollah military commander Fouad secure in Beirut Was the assassination in Tehran of the Hamas political leader Ishmael Hania? Which sent clear messages to Hezbollah Hamas and most important Iran?

[00:12:29] Hania was in a run Tehran for the inauguration of Iran's new president who was elected last month following his Predecessor's death in the May hillock chapter crash But if nothing else it also showed as he points out the failure of Iran to protect a high-level guest

[00:12:46] And that brings me to my first or actually my second article and it is by Matt Vespa Because it I think illustrates to me when we talk about the rise of terrorism in the world And I've written about this. I have a book on Islam and terrorism course

[00:13:05] We have a book on Sharia law. We have a book on Islam and many others They are one thing that terrorists really have to pay attention to is The fact that when they go against the United States or in this case when they go against Israel

[00:13:21] They are going against a very sophisticated intelligence operation and here again It is so funny that Matt Vespa put it this way as Katie Pavlich wrote on Tuesday the top Hamas leader is now sleeping with the fissures

[00:13:39] He says well, that's really inaccurate. He got to turn into dust under Iranian Prosecution protection ish mil Hania who was the terror groups political director in other words He is the head of politics for Hamas

[00:13:54] Okay, was taken out in an attack which some speculated was a missile strike or a drone strike It was not and if you've not heard this this again shows the level of sophistication of the Israeli military and

[00:14:11] Intelligence services he was killed by a bomb that was smuggled into the guest house Where he was staying and it was planted two months ago Again reading from some other sources now Hamas has revealed and released an official statement announcing the death of the chief political leader as

[00:14:31] Result of an attack earlier tonight in the Iranian capital city of Tehran Despite ongoing claims in Iran that he was assassinated by Israeli missile strike in the residence in Tehran They're now reporting. He was actually killed by a bomb Remotely triggered

[00:14:51] Now just think this through for just a minute. Okay, you are Israel you are part of Mossad you are part of the military you're part of the intelligence You've got to figure out a way on how to get a bomb that can be remotely triggered

[00:15:07] You've got to get a bomb into one of the more secure places in the capital city of Iran okay get that in your head for just a minute you've got to know enough to know that he when he goes there is

[00:15:21] Going to stay in this particular guest house and you have to figure out a way to get that in there and so secure it as To not be discovered because after all You would assume that their bodyguards matter of fact not only was the top leader for Hamas

[00:15:39] For the political leader killed but also his bodyguard was killed But you have to assume first of all you would have the Iranian security Who could have detected the bomb? You would have had his own bodyguard that could have

[00:15:54] Detected the bomb and nevertheless they were able to sneak in and Blow him up. It tells us now that the explosion Killed the bodyguard it also shook the building shattered some windows and caused the partial collapse of an exterior wall

[00:16:10] That according to a members of the revolutionary guards Who were briefed on the incident some damage was also evident in a photograph of the building shared within New York Times? This individual that was killed again has been the person who has been a leader for Hamas

[00:16:28] But guess what I was trying to explain this to people the other day most of the Hamas leaders are not in Gaza He was a Hamas political leader in Keter Q a ta or some say quarter cater cutter whatever we want to use as your translation or

[00:16:46] Transfilation of the Muslim word, but nevertheless he had stayed in that get how it gets house a few times And of course that was I think just a good solid illustration You really don't want to go against Israel military Israel intelligence. I've said that for years

[00:17:07] They don't want to go against the United States military and here we go Also, of course this reminds us of the fact that we're not necessarily in Israel Just going to be watching them fight Hamas in the Gaza Strip

[00:17:22] But now a very good article which maybe I'll post tomorrow Israel prepares for possible attack in Lebanon Because this has to do with the fact that you have the terrorists in the northern part to speak north of Israel in southern Lebanon, which are the Hezbollah terrorist and

[00:17:42] Some of them have been deployed in Gaza But most of these attacks now will be to the north so you are in a situation now where Israel is fighting if you will potentially a Two-front war one to the southwest with Gaza

[00:18:01] Which is now becoming a little bit more of a cleanup operation and then one to the north likely with Hezbollah and Remind you once again that we are talking about a country that is about the size of New Jersey

[00:18:17] So there is a situation in which you really can't find a safe place in Israel If indeed that two-front war unfolds before them, so we'll see where that goes But let me just real quickly since we'll be talking about various political candidates talk about JD Vance

[00:18:36] And it turns out that JD Vance as you well know since we've talked about it on more than a few occasions Wrote the book Hillbilly Elegy when I was on the cruise I walked by a woman that was reading the book and I thought you know

[00:18:49] Probably a lot of people now that he is the vice presidential candidate. They want to read Hillbilly Elegy The problem with it is It's gonna be really hard to read because and I don't know how this happened I love to ask him this someday

[00:19:04] How is it that the publishing house of your book is a German publisher? And it turns out that the German publisher now that he is on the Trump campaign has decided that they will no longer reprint the book

[00:19:18] What's so interesting is is the book completely sold out because many Germans Understandably that had never heard of JD Vance Rushed out to buy the book and so it sold out and so the German publishing company decided

[00:19:35] Well, even though we're making lots of money selling the book. We will not sell the book any longer Fortunately, I believe there are some other publishers that have that

[00:19:46] I'm trying to remember which ones they are right off the top of my head, but nevertheless it will still be published in English But it will be published in German and I love this article here

[00:19:57] It says the company would rather lose money than allow people to realize that JD Vance is not exactly the monster That the mainstream media makes him out to be Of course, it wasn't written from a political perspective. It was published back in

[00:20:13] 2016 which is even six years before he ran for the US Senate and really of course is a story of growing up in poor and white in Rural, Ohio it later became a movie that Ron Howard Actually did in 2020 it resulted in dozens of film awards and Glenn close

[00:20:32] You might remember back then one best actress for her portrayal of JD Vance's grandmother mama And so at least one best actress at the San Francisco International Festival and again illustrates something else about ideology When the book came out. Oh man JD Vance. He was speaking at Aspen

[00:20:52] He was speaking at of course the New York International Festival He was doing all sorts of very good almost puff-piece interviews But then when he ran for Senate and now when he's with Trump you can't even get the publisher to print the book

[00:21:09] Once again illustrating that sometimes ideology Trump's everything pun intended Ideology Trump's even profits and a publisher is willing to lose money rather than print a book by JD Vance Pretty interesting. Let's take a break. We're gonna talk with dr. Paul Kinger right after this

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[00:23:09] And now here again is Kirby Anderson. Can have a conversation here about children this article that we have mentioned before But I thought it would be good to talk with dr. Paul Kinger about you can never have enough kids and probably now that we

[00:23:23] Hear people talking about childless cat women and others that will be even more appropriate Dr. Paul Kinger is the professor of political science at Grove City College and Grove City, Pennsylvania

[00:23:35] He is also course the senior director and chief academic fellow at the Institute for free faith and freedom Was a former visiting fellow at the Hoover institution at Stanford University

[00:23:46] Author of more than 20 books God and Ronald Reagan which we talked about the communist the politically incorrect guide to communism The devil and coral marks to mention a few he's a columnist for the American spectator where I enjoy reading him

[00:23:58] And that's where this article that we've posted comes from and certainly was since we're going to be talking about children Might also mention that he and his wife have eight children two of which are adopted dr. Paul Kinger Welcome back to point of view

[00:24:12] Hey Kirby could be with you again Thanks, I've enjoyed hearing you on other talk shows and said why don't we get him back here again? And so I do want to talk about kids for just a minute

[00:24:21] But can we talk about to Kamala Harris for a second because you know when I was in graduate school? I took a class on Marxism from a Marxist and we had to read Karl Marx and Lenin and Stalin and you know and all that kind of stuff

[00:24:35] But I remember at the time Marx talking about that we should be unburdened by what has taken place And I'm hearing right now the presumptive presidential nominee keeps saying what can be

[00:24:47] Unburdened by what has been and given the fact that Kamala Harris's father Donald Harris was a Marxist economist at Stanford University is there any connection to the phrase that she keeps using all the time in Marxism

[00:25:02] Yeah, you know Kirby the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree right? I mean that's no coincidence And I mean I've found over the years in my research on communism that in so many of the cases of these You know modern-day

[00:25:17] radical leftists, you know even if they're not You know Marxist or quoting Karl Marx or you know closet card carrying members of the American Communist Party the influence of the parents was profound and Really helps explain where they are today

[00:25:36] In fact, you don't need to get much much further away in the Biden administration Then Pete Buttigieg. Yes Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah Pete's father Joseph Was it would no less than the founder of the International Gramsci Society

[00:25:54] Name for Antonio Gramsci who's like the you know the the founder of what today we call cultural Marxism In fact Antonio goes far so far back. He's even pre Frankfurt school, right? The Frankfurt school Those are guys from Frankfurt Germany

[00:26:11] Antonio Gramsci was actually Italian and so he wasn't collected as it's connected to them But Kamala the same kind of thing and so there's there's no doubt that the father influenced her and

[00:26:23] That she believes what she believes in large part because that's how she was raised and that's how she was taught Well, again, I think it illustrates why we on point of view want people to

[00:26:33] Dig a little deeper because when you hear her say and you I think we've all seen The vice president now the presumptive presidential nominee say what can be unburdened by what has been people say well That's just a nonsense platitude or that's just Kamala Harris

[00:26:50] Word salad. No, it's not. I mean this idea of being unburdened What has been isn't that really the Marxist idea that we should be unburdened by the past? Because we want to create the Marxist new man. We want to create the new

[00:27:06] Culture we want to have socialism leading eventually to communism those words have meaning don't they? Yeah, they do and especially Kirby for the whole progressive mindset, right? I mean the idea of the progressive is that we're always progressing So we're always moving forward, right? That's in fact

[00:27:25] That's another word that last often uses forward and a lot of people are probably thinking oh come on the word forward Has Marxist socialist meaning? Oh, yeah You could just go the word forward in almost every

[00:27:41] You know major certainly Western language. There's a publication a left-wing publication called forward Yes, right. In fact, yeah, they're one of the United States and and that you know, that's very less thing It's called forward

[00:27:54] Just to show some of my own knowledge of languages the one in Italian, right? It's called a banti with an exclamation mark that means forward and when when Barack Obama in fact You and I probably did a show on this or 12 years ago when Obama chose forward as

[00:28:11] As his campaign slogan in 2012 so 2008 it was change hope and change and change there There too in Obama's case meant no progression progressive change and with with so many of these people on the left

[00:28:26] And unfortunately got a lot of doops people in the middle are like. Oh, yeah. Well, well, I Know about hope Change. Oh, yeah change is good. I get up in the morning and I change my clothes, right? I get changed when I go to the grocery store

[00:28:45] Change is good if you're in a bad mood I mean these are this is loaded Language for people on the left and in the case of what you're talking about that You know that's slogan that after this and that statement from Kamala Harris

[00:28:58] Yeah, the progress is it was one of the reasons do I like the word progressive better than liberal because liberals is such a platitude You don't really know what liberal means right has different meanings of different different contexts But progressive the progressive is always moving forward

[00:29:15] Changing evolving which means they have to reject the past. They have to be unburdened by the past Russell Kirk Ronald Reagan. Yeah, these guys said, you know what by the way, what is conservatism? Think about it folks conservatives

[00:29:31] Conserve they conserve they conserve it the best of the past with Ronald Reagan called the tried and true Ideas of the past we stand on the on the generations of traditional law biblical law

[00:29:45] Natural law the ideas that came before us now for the progressive those are you know Those are bad things for old buddy daddy. There is no such thing as natural law There is no such thing as biblical law right? Yeah, you progress to the truth

[00:30:01] Which is always changing you got to be unburdened from that past So yeah, you know you're really honest something there. It's absolutely 100% Anyway, I want to get to your article

[00:30:12] But I just thought I might also mention for those of you that your parents or grandparents and you're thinking I sure would like my grandson and my granddaughter or my son or daughter to hear this kind of thing

[00:30:22] Well, maybe you should send them to someplace like Grove City College where you would have Dr. Paul Kinger as your professor of political science or Hillsdale or a number of other places like that So it's something to think about but the reason you wrote this

[00:30:36] Paul was the idea that you can never have enough kids you talk about Young kids is saying well I just have to wait until I have enough money to have kids and you asked this question

[00:30:46] Which I thought was so good. Well your ancestors they had a lot of kids. Oh, yeah, do you think they had money? no Idea that I have to wait to have enough money to have kids or I should only have one

[00:31:01] And of course I've already pointed out that you have more than a few I think illustrates the fact that we have a cultural mindset today that said we shouldn't have children And yet that's really our biblical responsibility and I would even say our cultural responsibility tells more

[00:31:19] Well, it's right. Yeah be fruitful and multiply right fill the ends of the earth by the way that article which is posted at our website the American spectator Spectator org when you go to the website folks look at the upper right corner

[00:31:32] You'll see our latest print edition which has a recommended list of colleges and we could only come up with 24 4,000 Pretty bad pretty sad but but yeah, I mean we my wife and I hear that all the time right couples will tell us young couples

[00:31:52] Well, we're waiting until we have enough money till we have enough saved before we have the children and I Usually try to just walk them through this and say well how much exactly do you do you want to have saved right?

[00:32:08] Well, we want to pay off our student loans by the way which could take 10 20 30 years Yes, right You know yeah We want to be able to then have enough save for this and that and on and on and I'll ask them

[00:32:19] I'll say well, you know what about your grandparents. How about your great-grandparents when they came to this country from Ellis Island? You know the early 1900s in my case my mom's side or you know the Italian side

[00:32:34] How many kids do they have right and you'll find out they had five or six kids They packed on to a boat with them took them weeks to get across the Atlantic Ocean then they got over here

[00:32:45] They were poor then they lived through the Great Depression. They actually Never ever had money they went to their graves with no money, but they raised a bunch of kids You know that the families weren't perfect, but they certainly aren't today either

[00:33:01] You know the they stayed married the couple usually did and And the big surprise too right when I sort of walk people through this Kirby is I'll tell them Say first of all I have eight kids and they'll say hey kids. How do you have eight kids?

[00:33:19] For one thing it raising kids really isn't that expensive I mean it's only expensive if you frankly you want to spoil them and Give them a whole bunch of stuff that you probably shouldn't be giving them Yeah, so it's

[00:33:36] Let me take a brief break and now there's some other very good comments in this article Which again is from American spectator you can never have enough kids will be right back

[00:33:44] You're listening to point of view your listener supported source for truth for a few more minutes with dr. Paul kanger Let me just mention first of all we have a number of links one is to faith and freedom calm

[00:34:08] That one I think you will find very helpful because it has a number of Different interviews including a podcast he did with Jordan Peterson and all sorts of other great material which is available there Of course you can find out more about Grove City

[00:34:22] We also of course have the link to American spectator and if you go to where his other Articles are you'll notice one Paul that I thought I'd mentioned just in passing because you have a hometown of Butler, Pennsylvania

[00:34:37] And that interestingly enough is where the former president Donald Trump was almost assassinated Yeah, yeah, we're now into Miss Kirby, you know I was I was listening to the Republican Convention and Listening to Nikki Haley and Marco Rubio speaking and others, you know Don Trump Jr.

[00:34:57] They would say and then came Butler, Pennsylvania That's the town where I was moved there when I was four years old went to high school there class of 1984 And I almost went to that rally

[00:35:13] It's only about 20 minutes from where I teach Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania and my son my 16 year old was there at the rally and Yeah, yeah, and my and my wife and I were watching it on TV

[00:35:29] We debated whether or not to let our son go he had never been anything like that before But he said yeah when Trump was there four years ago. There was a gigantic crowd

[00:35:40] So my son my son thought it would be a cool thing to see a former president big crowd Exciting right and we thought all right. Okay, sure and We're watching it there live We're watching on Newsmax because Newsmax covered the whole thing start to finish

[00:35:56] And yeah, my wife and I are kind of laughing as we're watching it watch, you know Trump cracked a few jokes made fun of Biden's saying you know Biden just spoke somewhere. They're only 93 people

[00:36:07] All right, and and we're watching it and then all of a sudden you just see this Look in and we just both said oh no can't believe it. My wife fell to her knees

[00:36:19] Started praying in the living room and saying I knew we shouldn't have let him go I knew we shouldn't have let him go and you know a moment like that Well first of all the president was up on his feet very quickly

[00:36:31] So we knew that he was okay But you know as a parent at that moment, you know you're thinking about your kid, right and and he was There wasn't good cell service at the Butler farm showgrounds so it took me about

[00:36:46] Two minutes with my hands trembling to type a text message to my son that said three words. Are you okay? And didn't get any answer for about 20 minutes And then when he was okay, you know praise God

[00:37:00] It was but not everyone was okay, right your man named Corey compertory lost his life Two other people were hit But it was it's a shocking thing not only to see something like that that happened to America

[00:37:15] In America with the former president but to see it happen in your hometown By the way another person from Butler PA Rick Santorum. Oh, yes. Yeah, he went to Butler High School as well

[00:37:27] It's I can name other people as well, but but it was it was really shocking Really shocking well I just want people to be able to read that and know about that because again some very significant material But just real quickly before I let you go again

[00:37:41] There are some great insights in here about you can never have enough kids But I thought one is the greatest gift you can give your child is a sibling and that's something to think about as well because There are a number of Christians listening to say well

[00:37:57] I'll have one child, but there is a real value in having siblings. Can you speak to that? Yeah, yeah, there is in fact if somebody while not somebody a lot of people all the time

[00:38:10] They'll say to my wife and I you have a we have one we can't imagine anything being harder than that right and I'll tell them Kirby. I'll say well for us One was actually the hardest and they just give us this look like her

[00:38:25] When we had only one it was my oldest son Paul and I would come home from work and I'd have to get on my knees and play Lego's for four hours Which I'd never like Legos even when I was a kid, right?

[00:38:39] I'd have to I'd have to play trucks and then go on the front yard and chase him around And it's just exhausting but they but then when his brother came around Mitch

[00:38:49] Now all of a sudden he had somebody who was just thrilled out of his mind about Legos and trucks And all of a sudden I'm sitting around just watching the two of my wife I could sit here and read a book

[00:39:01] That's the time on my hands and then the third one came and that was a girl Amanda and then the fourth one came Abigail the sister and And here's the other big thing people don't get When when you look up, you know like a five-year-old and a three-year-old

[00:39:18] You know, you have eight kids You're also gonna have like a 15 year old and a 13 year old and the 15 year old 13 year old Guess what they do they babysit The younger ones Right so, you know, it's it's harder. I think just to have one kid

[00:39:33] I the more the merrier they They entertain each other the other thing too that really bothers me I don't think I mentioned in this article but a couple people emailed me and and said I'll run into this too Kirby

[00:39:46] Someone will say oh, you you just had a second kid first one was a boy and now you have your girl Well now you could stop Right there's another one Yeah, and my kids will be my youngest daughter Gianna cries that she doesn't have a younger sister

[00:40:03] We're like it can be a great kid You got two older sisters and you got five older brothers. All right your your mom At some point hit the biological clock. All right But but but the funny thing is they always want another sibling

[00:40:18] And when when we adopted our youngest We're all there in the van and a car and the car call comes in from the adoption agency Same that the mother of our other adopted child has had another baby Would would you like the kid?

[00:40:34] Would you would you take this next kid? And I'm thinking Kirby? Oh, man I don't know if I could take much more of this. I mean I've changed in diapers in my late 40s And and all the kids in the car are yelling chanting. Yes

[00:40:47] Yes do it do it do it And and they ask any kid Would would you like another brother or sister? I've never seen the kids say no, I wouldn't Let me just mention real quickly that the last part here has a very good instagram post

[00:41:06] By jordan peterson where he has kind of an 11 point takedown And you've been working with Dr. Jordan Peterson and you know, that is that that's like an all-star team Dr. Paul kanger and Dr. Jordan Peterson

[00:41:19] And again, there's some podcasts where people can listen to that and learn a little bit more So again, we encourage people to go to some of the websites You have course faith and freedom calm

[00:41:29] There you can see the podcast that you have on that particular issue and many others Of course if you want to know more about Grove City College You can follow that link and of course we have one to American spectators

[00:41:40] So I do appreciate your writing and it's been far too long since we've had you on But I thought this would be a great occasion to talk about the value of children And the need for us to go counter culture

[00:41:53] Right now to a culture that is saying don't have kids We're going to have an apocalypse an environmental apocalypse in the next couple years We're not and all that and in some respects value the fact that we are to be fruitful and multiply

[00:42:07] So Dr. Paul kanger is always great to have you with us and I look forward to that next opportunity Hey anytime Kirby, let's stay in touch. Thank you again. You can find out so much more about him

[00:42:17] We've got two different links there. Let me highly encourage you to find some of these other articles Of course, he gave you some reflection on the assassin or attempted assassination Of uh, Donald trump and that's up there as well

[00:42:32] But also just his insight on communism and even as we were talking about marxism It just occurred to me, you know, I've done about 70 of these booklets on a biblical point of view on and I thought Never done a biblical point of view on marxism

[00:42:46] I might as well and given the fact that I probably would recommend at least two of paul kinger's books One the politically incorrect guide to communism and maybe the one the devil and carl marx

[00:42:58] So, um, I might have half of it written already. Anyway, anyway, that is our interview for this hour Next hour we're going to talk about the olympics And we've got some things to talk about there. We'll be right back Where does moral truth come from?

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