Point of View August 31, 2026 – Hour 1 : Monday’s Top Stories, Abortion Museum

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View. And now, Liberty McCarthy. Happy Monday and thank you for choosing to spend the start of your week with us here at Point of View. You know, I was listening to that wonderful intro by Kirby where he lists so many topics that we cover on Point of View.

[00:00:32] And I think we are going to touch on most of them today. In fact, I have so much that I want to talk about that I'm not sure I'm going to be able to squeeze it all in. But that's how you know that it's a good Monday when there's a lot that you need to cover. So let me give you a little bit of a rundown and then we'll dive into some news. We're going to talk about big news in the technology sphere from Meta. What kind of settlement were they just required to pay? And what changes is that going to bring for social media, especially for teens?

[00:01:00] If you've listened for any amount of time, you know that this is an important issue for me because I think it's so important that we raise the next generation to be able to have a healthy relationship with technology and avoid the social media addiction that has harmed so many young people around the world. So that's going to be a topic we'll dive into here in just a few minutes. Also talk about a federal ruling that I think may end up going to the Supreme Court eventually.

[00:01:25] And I think it should, because speaking of technology, there are great uses and there are horrible uses of technology. And so when we are talking about certain kinds of materials that send people to jail if they're in the possession of, when you add AI into the mix, it opens up a whole new can of worms. And so there's a troubling appeals court decision that was handed down last week, but it's probably not the end of the story. I certainly hope not. But that means we need to be aware of it and need to pray about it.

[00:01:52] Also, we'll talk about our Republicans leaning into the vice economy. What does that even mean? And why are people so distrustful of things like data centers, flat cameras? And when you talk about Gen Z, then the distrust goes off the chart. So we're going to try to squeeze all of that in. If we don't manage to touch on all of it, that just means that we'll have more to talk about next time. And you can follow along with all the topics at pointofview.net. At the bottom of the hour, make sure that you stay tuned in because I'll be talking with Dr. John Ferrer.

[00:02:20] Now, this is one of those examples of technology being used well because he is the president of something called the Abortion Museum. The Abortion Museum isn't something you can travel to physically, but it is a virtual museum. And I have been perusing it. I've been looking around. Oh, my goodness. There is so much there. It is such a great resource for pro-lifers to be aware of. I can't wait to talk with him about that. We're going to talk for a whole hour with John Ferrer starting at the bottom of the hour.

[00:02:47] So keep listening. But let's dive into some of this news. So as I mentioned, last week, Meta was required to pay up to 17.1 billion dollars in a landmark settlement over social media addiction claims. So we have started to see these lawsuits pop up where people are actually accusing Meta.

[00:03:07] That's the parent company of Facebook and Instagram with harms because they have been claiming that Meta knew of harms and not just Meta. By the way, there are other social media companies that have also been accused and wrapped up in these lawsuits. And we'll get to that in a minute. But that they knew that the way they were designing their technology, their apps, their social media platforms were problematic, that it was addictive in nature, specifically harmful for young people and that they didn't do anything about it.

[00:03:37] So a lot of people are comparing this to the big tobacco moment of the 1990s where tobacco companies were held accountable for actually adjusting their products or at least adjusting the way they advertised them to highlight the harms of their products, especially toward minors. So a lot of people are comparing this to that. And I know that some conservatives have said they don't like that comparison. But as somebody who has really looked into this and interviewed a lot of other people, including conservative thinkers,

[00:04:06] Christian thinkers who are looking at the harms to young people by these companies and by these products, I think we're moving in the right direction. So let's break it down a little bit. Not only will Meta have to pay up to 17.1 billion dollars in penalties, they're also making major changes to their products. So think Instagram, Facebook, 14 users. So for a long time, you technically had to be 13 to open an account, but there was no sort of verification process for that.

[00:04:34] And of course, kids will still find a way to get around this, but there will be more protection in place. So here are some of the changes that they're going to make to the app's 14 users. They will interrupt endless scrolling. If you think way back to when you first got a Facebook account, if you do have social media, you would click on Facebook, probably on your actual like home computer. You'd scroll down, see if your friends had posted any updates about here's what I'm eating for lunch today.

[00:05:02] And then when you got to the end of all the new post, it just stopped and then you would X out of it and you'd go about your day. Well, a little time after that, they invented what is called the endless scroll. Think about it. If you were on your phone or you are on a social media platform on your computer, you can just scroll and scroll and scroll and you can spend hours and you will never reach the bottom.

[00:05:26] And that's a big problem. That's one of the addiction mechanisms that is especially harmful to developing brains. So that's ending. They are ending algorithmic content being pushed toward teen users, meaning things that the algorithm thinks that it that the teens want to see. This is how so many get sucked into like these very dangerous rabbit holes, conspiracy theories, self-harm rabbit holes, all of these harmful things the teens have experienced and testified to.

[00:05:54] They will also stop sending notifications to teen users during school hours. And there will also be a limit on whether how the platforms can be used overnight. Now, this is because I talked about this a while back on point of view. There are all these investigative reports now showing that these social media companies saw that their uses their their users were declining during school hours because a lot of their users were teens and they were in school.

[00:06:24] So they intentionally made the decision to send notifications to teenagers phones that have these accounts during the school day and actually encourage them to use social media. And there are documents from these inside these companies saying teachers aren't going to like this because it's going to distract their kids. They were intentionally doing this. There are all kinds of investigations that have shown that there were people inside these companies that were pushing back saying this is bad for teens.

[00:06:53] We don't feel like we should be doing this. We know this is causing harm. And they went and they did it anyway. So finally, they're being held accountable. Now, it says that they might have to be paying up to 17.1 billion dollars. Why up to? Well, they will have to pay more if they can get other social media companies like Snap, which is the parent company of Snapchat, TikTok and YouTube to also settle with states in their lawsuits and agree to financial penalties as well.

[00:07:21] Because as they said, this is actually what met a spokesperson said. This framework only works if our peers join us, which is true if they implement all of these restrictions on their social media platforms. But none of the other social media sites do. Then kids will just go to the other one. So it really just it does have to kind of go across the board. But I think this is the start of something. And as people have been observing, you know, this is really a turning point.

[00:07:46] Now, I still and many people still advocate for not giving kids and teens access to social media. But there is room for accountability on the part of the companies as well. We're about to go to a break. But before we wrap up that part of the conversation today, I want to give you a book recommendation. I always like to do that when I can. This is called The Amazing Generation. I'm holding it up if you're watching online. It's by Jonathan Haidt. He is the one that wrote The Anxious Generation.

[00:08:13] A lot of his research over the past decade is what has led to some of these changes finally being made, not only in America, but around the world. So if you want a kid friendly version of basically The Anxious Generation, because kids, they ask, right? They ask, why can't I have a smartphone? Why can't I have a social media account? Well, what if they knew how bad it was for their brain? This book, The Amazing Generation by Jonathan Haidt, really goes into that. It's at the kid level. I would recommend getting it and reading it with your kids.

[00:08:42] That's what I'm doing. But we have so much more to discuss. It's already time for a break. We'll be right back in a few minutes, though, so stay with us on Point of View. This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. If you've ever been listening to my commentaries for any amount of time,

[00:09:10] you're aware of the significant concerns over the way transgenderism has been promoted by physicians, hospitals, and the government. So it's not surprising the federal government issued a report critical of some of the practices with this title, Wolves in White Coats, How Doctors and Hospitals Pushed and Profited from the Fraud of Gender Medicine. Now, most government reports usually have a title that is ambiguous and benign. When I interviewed one of the authors of the report on my radio program, I began with a discussion of the title.

[00:09:36] The title was a warning to the reader that they were going to learn about the many fraudulent practices implemented by physicians and hospitals. One example is the deceptive use of diagnostic coding for reimbursement. They would use medical codes like endocrine disorder or precocious puberty to mask what they were doing to young people and get payment for gender transition. Once patients underwent such transitions, they represented lifelong revenue streams for these groups.

[00:10:04] Another part of the 64-page report is the section which provides firsthand accounts from patients and parents who were subjected to this gender medicine. This provided a human face to procedures that were promoted by much of the medical establishment, along with the federal acceptance from the Biden administration. Now, during the radio interview, we also mentioned the Cass report out of the U.K. from Dr. Hillary Cass

[00:10:27] that two years ago raised significant concerns about gender identity services for children and young people in the National Health Service. These two reports show that sanity and common sense are finally returning to this issue. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view. Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net.

[00:10:55] That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Okay, right before the break, I mentioned that book, The Amazing Generation. Just wanted to mention that again because I know it was going fast by Jonathan Haidt. It is his version of The Anxious Generation, but created at a level that you can read with your kids. And, you know, even if you're a low-tech family like ours, kids just, they're so inundated.

[00:11:25] They see friends at church or at their sports practices or, you know, in other places where other kids are having their own smartphones, even at very young ages. And so mine has said, when do I get a smartphone? And if you want to be able to dig into the why of why you're saying no and explain the brain science really to them, then I think it's a great resource. But just as a reminder, if you, like, miss part of the show or you want to go back to something that we said, then there are multiple ways to do that.

[00:11:54] You can go to pointofview.net. We've got a new and improved website up, by the way, and so you can find all of the past shows that we've done. You can also go to Point of View Radio Talk Show on YouTube. You can find the podcast, Point of View Radio Talk Show podcast. Every day after the show, it's uploaded so you can go back and you can listen. So there are a lot of ways to go back and listen to anything you missed or grab something and maybe send it to somebody else if you want to make a recommendation. But let's move on.

[00:12:22] Here's another thing that I saw over the weekend that I just felt like I had to discuss. And just FYI, it probably is a little heavier of a topic. So if you've got younger ears listening, you may want to turn it down for a moment or come back to this later. But this was a decision out of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit by Judge John V. Lee. And this is what the appeals court found. Now, again, like I said, this is not the end of the story and I'll explain that.

[00:12:50] But this is what this court decision found, that the First Amendment protects an individual's right to privately possess images or videos of child sexual abuse created using artificial intelligence. If the material does not depict a real person. Now, I think if you're like me, you're immediately have alarm bells going off and are thinking, of course, the First Amendment doesn't protect that.

[00:13:17] But this is a new new territory that we are entering that we really need to be praying about and get ready to activate if necessary to advocate for common sense in the protection of children. Here's what the judge said. He was not saying that this is, you know, his preference or opinion. That's not the judge's place.

[00:13:38] He said, given their relentless advancement in artificial intelligence models, we have some concerns about the lines these cases draw, but we are not free to redraw them ourselves. That's because so many of the laws surrounding this horrible issue have had to deal with. It has been mentioned in the laws that they are images of real individuals. But AI is now so advanced that a lot of times these images are almost indistinguishable from a real person.

[00:14:07] So even if it doesn't technically depict a real person, is that something that's all of a sudden OK? Well, as a Christian, we would say, no, of course not. But that might be something that the Supreme Court has to take up. So I'm praying that it will and that we can get more clarity in these times where you do have artificial intelligence being so powerful that it can generate and create these kinds of images and videos that we do not want it to create.

[00:14:34] And that that can still be illegal, even if it doesn't technically depict a real person. Now, this is also just territory that we're going to have to wade into as Christians to talk about this, because there are a lot of these kinds of questions coming up. When you have AI that can generate images, you have robots that are made to be more and more realistic, even chatbots.

[00:14:58] And so the question becomes, how should we interact with AI? Not just whether we should use it or can we ask it questions for research, but are we creating some kind of relationship where we think it is OK to abuse an AI if it's not technically a real person,

[00:15:19] whether that is in a physical robot form or in terms of the images that we choose to look at or even how we choose to interact with the chatbot. Now, that might seem weird. That might seem crazy. But these are already conversations that are happening. And sometimes you're going to hear this argument, especially maybe from a more libertarian perspective, that as long as I am not harming anybody else, any other real person than anything I want to do should be fine and I should be able to do that.

[00:15:49] And that is where this argument is going to come down to is, is it a real person or not? But we have to go deeper than that. As Christians, we have to articulate why. Guess what? The Bible doesn't say that as long as you modify your outward behavior, then anything you want to do is OK. Hey, the Bible isn't about just modifying your behavior. The gospel is about transformation, about renewing your mind. The Bible says to take every thought captive.

[00:16:19] So we have to be careful that an obviously extreme cases like what I just mentioned are probably more easy for us to understand. But I mean, even a lot of these trends that you see on social media, perhaps, or these other justifications for dealing with anger, just get a punching bag or just, you know, as long as you're not actually hurting somebody, you've got to get your anger out. What we give ourselves over to and the habits that we choose to participate in, those actually form us.

[00:16:46] So first of all, our own soul is affected either negatively or positively in the way that we interact with other people or other things. And there is multiple research showing that the whole as long as it's not a real person, the abuse doesn't really matter argument. That does not hold up because those habits are being formed. And eventually it does translate into abuse of real individuals.

[00:17:07] So in this age that we are in that often feels like sci-fi, we have to make sure that we are speaking with clarity on this and that we are making sure we are standing up for human rights, that we are standing up for a biblical worldview, and that we are willing to advocate for that in all of this new terrain. And so that's something to be in prayer of. Again, this was a post from the Washington Post. Like I said, I saw it over the weekend. I'm not sure if it's actually on the website. We'll try to get it added.

[00:17:34] But it was about if you look up the federal judge, the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit issue, you'll be able to read more about this. But on that note, at a lesser scale, okay, but still related, I think, at the same core issue, is an article that is posted at pointofview.net from Compact Magazine by Rad Wilcox and James Lynch. Brad Wilcox is someone we've had on Point of View. He does a lot of research for the Institute for Family Studies.

[00:18:03] I always appreciate his perspective. But they say that Republicans are embracing the vice economy. So, again, this kind of goes back to that argument of if we're not harming anybody else, should we technically be free to do whatever we want? And so, you know, as conservative, I'm all for limited government, but I'm not a libertarian. And this is why. And if you're a libertarian, there's a lot that we can agree on and we can totally be friends. But this is where I'm going to push back a little bit.

[00:18:31] So, first of all, here are some statistics. Marijuana use has surpassed alcohol and tobacco use for the first time. But you have had President Donald Trump and other Republicans push to delay bans on any sort of marijuana products. You also have conservatives and Republicans who are promoting things like gambling apps and the prediction markets,

[00:18:59] chatbot companions, AI, digital tokens, harmful substances, a lot of things that we might be thinking, wait, what is that again? Well, here's how it's affecting young people, particularly young men. This is a study from the Institute for Family Studies based on a survey of men from the ages of 18 to 29. Forty three percent of young men ages 18 to 29 agree that I am inclined to think that I am a failure.

[00:19:25] Sixty one percent say they often feel they have little control over the things that happen to them. And almost half agree that they will never achieve the American dream. Now, let's see, well, okay, what are they doing? More than half of young men are gambling. Thirty-five percent are doing so daily or several times a week. And it's actually higher among conservative young men. Forty-seven percent of conservative young men are gambling daily or several times a week.

[00:19:54] Forty-three percent of young men are watching pornography daily or several times a week. And then you also have an even greater number who have problematic video game habits, which obviously video games alone aren't in the same category as gambling or watching pornography. But we're talking about kind of addiction level situation here. And so if we are just about being able to do whatever you want, if we are just about the market and nothing else,

[00:20:20] then what we have is a situation where you have Republicans who are pushing products and policies or refusing to restrict things that are actively harmful to young men that are addictive and are keeping them feeling stuck and unable from following the American dream. And so this is where, again, as Christians, we really have to think deeper here. And I think we're about to go to a break.

[00:20:43] But when we come back from our interview with John Ferrer later in the show, I'll touch on this a little bit more because it's so important that we make sure that we are not pushing and promoting things that are actively harmful to other people. Remember this quote from John Adams? He said, our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people, and it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

[00:21:07] We talk a lot about our system of checks and balances in our government, which are necessary. But a free government where you do have limited government and limited intervention will not work unless there are internal checks and balances. And we can't be pushing things that are going to damage those internal checks and balances. Stay with us. We've got a great interview coming up right after this.

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[00:23:17] I am happy to welcome Dr. John Ferrer to Point of View. We are going to talk about this really great resource. You're going to want to look at it as soon as we start talking about it. I think it's abortionmuseum.org. Dr. Ferrer is a speaker, editor, and content creator for crossexamine.org. With more than 20 years of experience in apologetics ministry. He's a licensed minister who teaches, preaches, and writes primarily on biblical worldview and cultural issues.

[00:23:45] He has three graduate degrees and is the president of abortionmuseum.org. And, of course, that is, again, what we're talking about today. So, John, thank you so much for joining us on Point of View. Well, thanks for having me. Good to be here. So this is a great resource. I've just been really in awe as I look at it.

[00:24:04] And I want to just start off by talking about the why behind this museum, how it came about, and then, you know, why and how is this different than many of the other abortion or pro-life resources that are out there? Yeah. So this museum in many ways is the result of a growing conviction that I had doing pro-life apologetics and teaching ethics and bioethics and the abortion debate.

[00:24:33] The conviction is that the best argument against abortion is just an honest look at abortion. As a pro-life apologist, I'm familiar with the arguments for and against abortion. And what I had found was very often the conversation is us trying to persuade people to believe what they already kind of know.

[00:24:58] But because they're not being challenged to see the results of abortion, to see how abortion ideology conflicts with itself, because we pro-life apologists and anti-abortion apologists often just take the burden of responsibility on ourselves to provide a positive case against abortion, which there's plenty of room for that. I'm not opposed to that.

[00:25:22] But for the pro-choicer, often when you really press the issue, you find they don't like abortion or they don't even know really what it is. They consider it a necessary evil very often. And they have a great deal of compassion for women and mothers and families and slight differences in worldview outlooks.

[00:25:45] But when you challenge them to connect the dots on their worldview, often you find that they either betray their own pro-choice worldview or pro-choice ideology, or they're just generally ignorant about what abortion really is. And so this museum is an effort to tell the unvarnished truth about abortion. Now, I have to add a caveat, because some people will hear that and think, oh, you're going to show us a bunch of pictures of mangled babies.

[00:26:15] Well, there is an exhibit for that. But most of the museum, 98%, 99% of the museum is just telling the real history of abortion. It is an intellectual, academic, smart resource so that anybody who's wanting to get the real story about abortion over the ages, we want this to be that resource for them.

[00:26:35] And we offer something that no other site or clinic can offer in that we have something that isn't just information, and it's not just appealing to emotion and experience. It combines both of those so that you can have an experience like you're walking through a museum, but it's entirely online, like you're walking through a museum, and you're learning the real history of what's been going on.

[00:27:00] Because most people are totally clueless that for about 4,000 years, abortion was considered just unfathomable for a society that wants to be ascendant and civilized. Because for most of the history of abortion, you didn't have such a thing as safe, reliable, and effective abortion. Maybe like around 1940, you could kind of get over that hump because of the invention of antibiotics.

[00:27:29] But before that, it was considered an indictment against a given society saying that you have such a patriarchally oppressive culture that women are being pressured and forced to risk their lives just to kill that unwanted developing child in utero. And that's what it's been until about 1940 AD. And so most people won't know that. They won't see that.

[00:27:53] They won't know the Christian history that was uniformly anti-abortion up until recently where, you know, some liberal Christians kind of go a different direction. But that's why this museum exists, to tell the real story that often gets downplayed and denied in the popular abortion debate. And it is so beautiful. I mean, just like it does truly feel like you are immersed in a museum.

[00:28:19] I am waiting for the real thing to be built physically someday that looks just like this that people can go to. But it's just, yeah, there's so much there. You can truly spend hours. And I know that you worked with a lot of other pro-life organizations as well. I saw some familiar faces, people that I've talked to or interviewed before. And so it's just one of those places I encourage people.

[00:28:43] Any question about abortion, past or present, is going to be addressed here on this website. And just before we go to the break, and I want to also kind of go into what you were saying about abortion in the ancient world and kind of take people through each of those sections so they can get a taste for what kind of information is there. But, you know, you talked about kind of the average person. Maybe they're not super active online. They're not an activist.

[00:29:08] They just, you know, maybe aren't even sure exactly what they believe about abortion, and they don't have the full truth. So who is this website for? Can a non-Christian be comfortable here? Or maybe somebody who's a Democrat be comfortable here? Yes, absolutely. This museum, now I have to say up front, I admit my own anti-abortion bias, and our team is primarily anti-abortion. So I admit that up front.

[00:29:35] But there's exacting effort to make sure that nothing said in here will misrepresent any pro-choice perspective, any opposing views. This is the kind of museum you can go into, and it is a museum. It's a learning environment that you don't have to be a particular shade of perspective on abortion or against abortion.

[00:30:04] You don't have to be a particular religion or non-religious to get something meaningful out of this museum. I had an interview over this museum with Steve Meyer of Summit Ministries, or Jeff Meyer of Summit Ministries. And he's been studying this subject for decades. And he walked in and – walked in. He went in the museum and said, yeah, I was learning stuff all over the place. I had no idea because that's how abortion is.

[00:30:32] So much of what people actually get exposed to on the abortion issue has already been spun and filtered for whether it agrees with the narrative. This museum is roughly 50 percent history and 50 percent cultural themes over the course of that history. So the first section you go into will be abortion in the ancient world.

[00:30:56] So you're going to see how far back abortion goes, and anybody – pro-life, pro-choice, Christian, non-Christian – will be able to get something meaningful out of this. Because we wanted to make sure – and this is kind of our target audience – we wanted to make sure that the fair-minded abortion choice person will find this museum meaningful and persuasive. That's kind of our target audience.

[00:31:24] It's not necessarily our majority audience, but that's the audience we wanted to make sure that we wouldn't lose when they're going through here. We don't want the exhibits to create this fight-or-flight experience with a bunch of graphic images that put people in a defensive posture. And then you're arguing and you've made an enemy before you've had a chance to make a friend.

[00:31:47] We want this to be a place where anybody who's serious about understanding the real history, the real facts about abortion, this is your go-to resource. That's what we designed this museum to be. The first exhibit is going to be abortion history in the ancient world. Then we go into faith and philosophy. Then we go to race and racism. Then we go to feminism and gender issues. Then we go to law and politics. Then we go into science and technology.

[00:32:16] And on the inner wall, we have cultural treatments of these things, talking about abortifacients in the ancient world. We've got an exhibit on Margaret Sanger. We've got some quotes and personal stories from people who have been in the abortion industry or who are survivors of abortion, because that does happen.

[00:32:42] We have all of that woven together in an elegant experience that's very calming, that's very peaceful with the express purpose that we're not trying to get people into fight or flight where their rational capacity shut down. They stop thinking and they start reacting. No, we want people to be thoughtful. We want people to be sensitive, to be compassionate, to go through this so that they can figure out how can I love them both? How can I be more humanitarian?

[00:33:12] How can I be more compassionate? Because the more compassionate, humanitarian, and loving we can be on the abortion issue, the more we'll be humanitarian in viewing the mother and child together as rights-bearing individuals. Yes, absolutely. We're about to go to a break. But again, if you want to look at this while we are on this quick break, go to abortionmuseum.org. Start virtually walking around in the museum. It's really cool.

[00:33:42] Let's talk through some of those sections that John was mentioning when we get back. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. All right, we're back with Dr. John Ferrer talking about the Abortion Museum. Abortionmuseum.org.

[00:34:10] This is your one-stop shop for any sort of resource telling you about the history of abortion, the facts about abortion. And as John was just explaining to us, it is designed to be a very peaceful and even calming experience, not meant to shock or scare or turn people away who may be on the fence figuring out what they believe. It's to draw them in and help to educate them.

[00:34:31] So if you have somebody, a friend, family member that has questions maybe or has wondered why you're pro-life, this is a great resource to send them. And so let's talk through some of those sections, though. You mentioned a minute ago that the first section starts out with abortion in the ancient world, which some people are aware of abortion practices in the ancient world, but a lot of people maybe think of it as a more modern issue.

[00:34:57] One of the things I didn't know, there was this section, and feel free to talk about anything in the ancient world that you want to on this, but I was not aware of this Assyrian document showing that there were penalties for men who would strike a woman and cause her to miscarry. And it reminded me of a passage in Exodus in the Bible and realizing that that was kind of something that even extended to surrounding cultures in the ancient time. And I just I did not know that.

[00:35:27] Yeah, it was it was very impractical and problematic for any given society to let abortion practices run rampant because it was a blight on the women of that society. It tended to indicate that you haven't got control of the prostitution industry or you've got women who are having relations outside of marriage, which is to weaken the bonds of marriage.

[00:35:56] And essentially, any given society is only going to be as integrated and whole as the integrity of their marriages and families are. And so when you're disintegrating marriage and family and getting loose and compromised on those, that that trickles up into all of society. It affects all of society at a large scale.

[00:36:20] So often it meant you had rape, you had abuse, you had extramarital affairs, which would at a practical level create inheritance rights questions. Who's supposed to inherit the estate if this this woman had had a son outside of wedlock? But for the for, you know, politeness purposes, they adopted him into the family. And then you've got a right born son who is younger, who who inherited this stuff?

[00:36:47] So you end up with a lot of legal challenges that you might not think of immediately if you aren't taking care to reduce the incidence of abortion. And then just at a practical level, safe, effective, reliable abortion was basically a myth until about like 1940 with the invention. Well, with with the discovery and proliferation of antibiotics. Before then, you could get two out of three.

[00:37:16] You could have safe and reliable. You could have safe and effective, but it's inconsistent. Or you could have effective and reliable, but it ain't safe. Because what what usually had to happen to generate an abortion in the ancient world was you toxify the woman's body with some kind of a paste or something to insert or something to swallow or something to drink.

[00:37:41] And that will create such a toxic environment that it will only make the woman sick, but it'll kill the baby. That's the that was the primary means of abortion in the ancient and early modern world. But what does that mean for women? That means for a woman to undergo an abortion. And if she really needs to make it work, then she's basically has to risk suicide to do it.

[00:38:07] And that's an indictment on the family saying, men, you're not taking care to protect your women. Or it means that you as a society aren't creating enough dignity and safety and security that women are resorting to risking their own lives just to get rid of an unwanted child. Children are a resource. Now, now that's a very secular concept, but it translates into the religious world.

[00:38:34] We understand that children are a blessing from God, but from a secular perspective, if you don't have a good birth rate, then you don't have a civilization for very long. And so there was a practical secular value for just maintaining a good birth rate in your society. And so if women are aborting this resource, this societal resource, and they're putting themselves at risk to do it, that doesn't look well for that society. It doesn't look well for that neighborhood and that community.

[00:39:04] It doesn't look well for that family. And it doesn't bode well for women in general. Yeah, yeah. It's so fascinating to see how the different worldviews over history interacted with this. And then also you have this in the ancient history section. A lot of people know what the Hippocratic Oath is, but they might not know what Hippocrates himself thought about abortion and many other ancient figures for that matter. Yeah, they actually had to.

[00:39:30] So the Hippocratic Oath was not a formally required oath in the modern era. It's a medical oath that people will take to basically say, I swear to act in a medically responsible way. I swear to improve life, not to take life. To help, not to hurt. That's the general, that's the gist of it. And Hippocrates himself, now he phrased it in terms of an oath before the gods.

[00:39:58] So it's ancient Greece, so it's before the gods. But it included rejecting any pessary to induce abortion. And it included a rejection of euthanasia. These were considered antithetical to medical practice. Wow.

[00:40:18] These are bioethically prohibited if you consider yourself an agent of health care because it's not healthy to kill human beings, especially if they're innocent. And so if you are using surgical procedures to take life instead of to save it, then you're operating outside of medicine in the formal sense of the word. That's the Hippocratic Oath.

[00:40:42] Now, in the, I believe it was like the 1960s, that they rewrote the Hippocratic Oath because, you know, modern times, modern people, basically the sexual revolution, birth control pills, and then trying to make room for abortion. They said, hey, we need to revise this oath because it looks bad.

[00:41:03] It looks like when we're pushing for abortion access and legalizing abortion, it looks like we're pushing people away from the historic norms of medical practice. And you know what? They are. Yeah. So they rewrote the Hippocratic Oath to accommodate abortion.

[00:41:22] But that's kind of one of the tricks that people do to skirt the historic norms, to skirt moral law, and to kind of squeeze in some accommodation or compromise under the doorway is just redefine things. Yeah. If you redefine things and if you treat everything like a linguistic convention, then you can rewrite reality to suit whatever you prefer. Yeah.

[00:41:49] And that's just some of the history that you can learn at the Abortion Museum. Again, website, abortionmuseum.org. We're coming up on a break, but we're not ending our conversation because when we come back, we're going to continue talking with Dr. John Ferrer about the Abortion Museum and the resource there. We've talked about, you know, how it is accommodating and welcoming to people of all backgrounds.

[00:42:13] And I appreciate that so much because it really if you want to do outreach, if you want to educate people about the truth, then you do have to work toward educating people who don't already agree with you. And so it's great for that. When we come back from the break, I want to talk about the women's issue because today abortion is framed as a feminist issue, as a thing that has to do with women's rights.

[00:42:36] It's being a pro woman. And yet when you look back at kind of the ancient history and then moving into the faith and philosophy section, what you see is how ancient Christians interacted with abortion. And they did not see it as being pro woman. And they actually took action to save girls and women who are being harmed from abortion. And so that's super interesting. We'll talk about abortion and race, the law and politics and more. So stay with us. We're going to the break.

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