Point of View August 27, 2026 – Hour 2 : Beyond Belief

[00:00:04] Across America, live, this is Point of View, Kerby Anderson. One of the things you know we like to do from time to time is to feature various films that are going to be affirming of your faith in your family.

[00:00:28] And this new film coming out, Beyond Belief, it is in a few theaters already, but it is really going to open up tomorrow. And we wanted you to know about that because, as we talked about last hour with one of our guests, Dean Sykes, about his daily devotional for teens, we certainly need to do more things to encourage young people. And I think this is a film that whether you're young or old are going to really appreciate.

[00:00:55] But I see this as a real opportunity to reach out to young people as it tells the story of an individual who is struggling with a number of things in his life and really helps you understand kind of this call, this mysterious call as he's on a journey of faith, identity and purpose. So we thought to give you some perspective on the film. First of all, you can find information about this on our website right now.

[00:01:23] Now you can go to beyondbelief.movie or simply click on the picture of the two individuals we're going to be talking to. Bob Hartman is the founder and lead guitarist and primary songwriter for Petra. Started that back in 1972. Just reading about the fact that Moran in upstate New York, where I spent some time speaking as well, grew up in Ohio, got his first guitar at the age of 13. And Bob, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:01:51] Thank you, Kirby. Good to be here. Also, we have with you John Schlitt, who is the lead vocalist. Joined Petra back in 1986. Individual that has perhaps one of the most recognizable voices, people say, in Christian rock. And as an individual that you will, of course, be familiar with as you watch the film as well. So, John, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View. My pleasure, Kirby. Thanks for having us.

[00:02:16] Well, I want to chat with you for just a minute and then I'm going to rotate another person into the conversation just a bit. But people are going to say, I haven't heard too much about this film beyond belief. I've been watching it. I'm really encouraged about it. But it really is a story of faith, identity and purpose, hearing and discerning God's voice for just a few minutes since we're encouraging people to go to the theaters this weekend to watch it.

[00:02:46] And of course, we have a trailer for them to watch as well. So, can you give us at least sort of a thumbnail sketch to what the film is all about? You know, Kirby, I'm the Gabby one. I'll let Bob tell you he's probably a little more efficient in explaining it. Okay, Bob. Well, it's about a young man who has a crisis. He lost his father and his father was a preacher.

[00:03:12] He's a musician and he's hearing a voice that he thinks is God, but he doesn't understand why he's being told what he thinks he's being told. I don't want to give too much away, but the story is how he finally obeys what he's hearing and what God does because of his obedience.

[00:03:40] And there's a whole bunch of music in the movie. There are actors who are playing Petra. John and I do a little cameo in the movie, but it is a faith building film. You know, lots of people today go through a loss and they wonder how is this possible? Why did God let this happen?

[00:04:07] And, you know, maybe this movie will help answer that. John, I've seen some interviews with you where you say, you know, this really teaches a lot of great theological insight, but it's not a preachy movie. But at the same time, I have identified that it certainly talks about this idea of hearing God's voice, running the race with perseverance of identity, purpose, second chances, faith across generations.

[00:04:34] There are just a number of very good biblical themes in this film, aren't there? Yes, there is. And what's exciting about it is it's entertaining. I'm always very, very excited when I see an entertainment mode that's bringing across a life-changing message concerning Christ. I'm always just really happy when we can be part of that.

[00:05:04] And this movie is allowing Bob and I and Petra, the Petra music, to be part of this sort of a different way of getting across a message that's life-changing. What about the idea of using Petra's music to be part of a film? I mean, again, for the older listeners, they would say, yeah, I remember that a long time ago. But here it's almost introducing the music to a new generation. What about that?

[00:05:33] Well, we're very stoked about it. I mean, it's an honor that the person that put this together saw that music as useful to him, that he thought it would cut through not only the older generation, but the young ones too. Because I think Petra's music, and I can say this because I didn't write it, I think it's very anointed. I think it's timeless.

[00:06:01] The messages have always been very Christ-centered. And any time you can get that kind of mode, it needs to be heard. And I'm just very glad that it's a whole new avenue, a whole new option of hearing this kind of ministry. Well, again, some of the things we've talked about on this particular program before are I can only imagine, I can only imagine two. We've talked about some of these others that have been very successful.

[00:06:29] And so in some respects, because that's sort of plowed the ground, I see this as another film that is going to do very well because it tells a story with music as a background, don't you think? I hope so. Yeah, I hope so, because there's been a lot of work in it. The director, the people that work to get this together have worked very hard over a period of four years. And I'm just glad to finally see it.

[00:06:56] I'm one of those rare guys that are going to get to see it tonight because our theater is doing it a little earlier than the official release date. I'm excited about seeing it with my family, actually, bringing my granddaughter in who's 16. And I want her to see it with their friends. And I think it's going to be very relatable to them as it is to me.

[00:07:21] I mean, my gosh, I remember some of the songs that are on the record now and, you know, when they first came out and how useful they were then. And just the fact that they're getting a second shot is really an exciting thing for me. Well, we're going to take a break. And when we come back, I'm going to introduce somebody else around the roundtable here. But let me just mention, as we go to a break, we do have a link to beyondbelief.movie. Now, there's a couple of things you can look at.

[00:07:48] First of all, the trailer actually is a little less than two minutes. So if you go there right now, even while we're on a break, you can actually watch the trailer and get a little bit of a handle. We're going to talk about what you can do as an individual, but what you can do as a group. Because that's one of the reasons why I'm bringing my guest on here in just a minute. Because this is a way in which you can reach out in your church. You can get group tickets. You can do all sorts of other things that we've talked about before.

[00:08:16] And I see this as just an opportunity that comes around from time to time where you can go into a theater, maybe invite some young people that probably would never come to your church, but might come to a theater, watch this, and they will have a chance to hear some things. Also, for Christian kids that maybe just would be so encouraged to watch a film like this and also learn some of these principles, we'll continue talking about that right after these important messages.

[00:09:00] This is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson. You know, in all my years of doing a radio commentary, I've only mentioned UFOs and extraterrestrials a few times. I recently did an interview with Derek Warferl about his book, UFOs and God, which is a companion book to his documentary on the same subject. His argument is relatively simple. Throughout history, nearly every culture and religion have recognized that humans share the world

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[00:09:55] in a 100 billion light-year-wide universe are too far for any contact. In our radio interview, he mentioned that some UFO investigators believe that they are more likely to be interdimensional beings because they violate the laws of physics and instantaneously disappear. Shouldn't we assume that these are not intergalactic travelers but instead are angels? People who have had alien conduct say that the beings tell them telepathically that there is no personal creator God,

[00:10:22] that there is merely an impersonal God force in the universe. Moreover, they deny the existence of sin and thus the need for a savior. This book is packed with 350 pages of technical information and theological insight into its 13 chapters. I recommend you get a copy so that you have a better understanding of this UFO phenomenon. I'm Kirby Anderson, and that's my point of view.

[00:10:49] Go deeper on topics like you just heard by visiting pointofview.net. That's pointofview.net. You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back once again as we talk with Bob Hartman, as well as John Schlitt, and again Hartman, I should say, and that is, again, the very important film that I wanted you to know more about

[00:11:16] because when we are talking about this movie Beyond Belief, there's some great opportunities for outreach. But I thought for just a minute I would also roll in another guest in studio with me, and that is Parker Ng. Now, normally, Parker, when you're here with day four, you're talking about astronomy, and I guess we do have a lunar eclipse tonight, a red moon, so certainly that is the case. And I guess you could talk about that for just a minute. But the reason I wanted to have you here is because you were the one that first suggested

[00:11:46] we do the interview with these two individuals, Bob Hartman and John Schlitt, and also have already at least one person around the table that has seen the entire movie, right? That's right. That's right, yeah. When I heard about Petra coming out with a movie or their music going to be in a movie or the predominant music in this movie, I got so excited because Petra is one of those groups that I listened to consistently, constantly growing up as a kid. I wore out their tapes.

[00:12:15] I wore out their CDs. When I drove around in my car, I was one of those that had a really loud sound system in my car, and I wasn't blaring secular music. I was blaring Petra. I was blaring songs like On Fire and All Fired Up and stuff like that. And so it was just a fun period of my life, and their music has just meant so much to me over the years. Well, Bob and John, I brought him in because one of the things that he has been doing as well

[00:12:45] is not only helping promote you in our Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, but also one of the things that we are going to encourage people to do is certainly go to the theater, watch the film, but think about bringing a group with you because, Bob, if nothing else, when more people hear the music, see the film, I think there's a greater opportunity for ministry, isn't there? Oh, I definitely think so.

[00:13:13] You know, each person is going to take away something unique, I think, when they see the movie. There's a lot there, and it's just ripe for the taking in terms of what God impresses on their heart. And so we're just thrilled to see such a strong message, and the availability of it in theaters is just, you know, blowing our minds.

[00:13:42] Well, again, I think it's an exciting opportunity. And, John, I just talked to you a minute ago, of course, about the fact that we had seen I Can Only Imagine that was so successful, then there was an I Can Only Imagine Part 2. This is something which, again, might be able to dovetail to that. It's set in the 1980s as a backdrop, but I think in some respects it will remind individuals of that period.

[00:14:07] It would educate children about that period, but also encourage them in some of these very important themes that were part of your music and also part of the movie, right? Yes. Again, this opens so many opportunities. I love it. And, Parker, thank you for the kind words that you said, and I'm so glad that we are part of your life and that you had the courage or actually trusted us in what we did and what we do or what Christ does through us.

[00:14:38] Guys, I'm just excited. I think any time we get an opportunity to bring a first-class entertainment, but I keep saying entertainment because it is amazing how in the guise of entertainment, God's message can come through so strong. It can open up avenues that it would not be able to open any other way. For instance, again, the group, bring your unsaved friends.

[00:15:04] Bring those friends that are very skeptical about anything Christian. Let them enjoy it. Let them say, wow, this is, excuse the expression, this is cool. But, man, cool is okay as long as it cuts through, and the ultimate goal is to get that message of Christ through. It just always excites me when we have a different mode that's something other than just the typical.

[00:15:32] Parker, you've seen the film, so at least you have the advantage over a few of us here. And in some respects, some of the themes I've been talking about do show up, don't they? They do. They do. There's quite a bit of messaging in the movie. And, you know, when you watch different movies and different TV shows, there's always multiple things going on at the same time, and they jump from one set of characters to another set of characters. And, you know, that's similar in this film.

[00:16:01] And so you get to see different people and their own struggles in their walk, their faith. You see a dad who basically has turned almost away from the faith, but then he's brought back in. And, of course, you see a nephew or a son go through his own struggles of loss and grief and those challenges.

[00:16:29] And so, you know, but what's so cool is just the ongoing theme of, you know, you've got to trust God. You know, it's God will get you through it. And I love the grandpa in the movie. He does such a great job. And, you know, there's a lot of humor in the movie. I love watching and seeing a lot of the nostalgia in it from the 1980s.

[00:16:57] It brings me back to a time period, and I laugh at it because I'm like, how in the world did we like that stuff? Yeah. I think you said there's phone booths and things like that. Oh, there is. The makeup. The hairstyles. The hairstyles and some of those. John, let me come to you again just for a minute since you are the talker. And that is one of the themes with Andy is that he is really kind of struggling with hearing God's voice.

[00:17:25] And that is a struggle that I think all of us face. But young people especially when they're trying to figure out who am I, what is this? Of course, you have in John 10, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. But there's really a question that surfaces, I think, and that is, who am I hearing from? Is this just my desire? Is this God's desire? That's kind of a theme that runs through beyond belief, isn't it? Yes, it is.

[00:17:52] And the exciting thing is that actually he does listen, but he's totally confused. I mean, how many young people today that are even seeking God are still very confused because the enemy is attacking them? That the young are absolutely the zero-in target for the enemy. He tries very hard to get that next generation.

[00:18:17] Probably they're getting more onslaught than any generation before them because of all the different sources of being tempted. So this movie basically says, hey, listen, I relate. Even back in the 1980s, those kids related to the fact that they had questions. They were getting these messages. They had no idea where it was coming from. There was doubt.

[00:18:44] But he had the faith that this was something coming from someone who loved him and wanted to make a, you know, wanted to see him fulfill what he needed to do. And like you said, the grandfather loved him too. I thought he was one of the highlights of the movie. Just one of those sources of common sense, of basically Christ sense.

[00:19:09] And it was that reminder every time Andy got totally confused and thrown into a tizzy, his grandfather was there to sort of encourage him with a little hint of guidance here and there. And it was just done well. I loved it. I think we can for just a minute talk about how to gather because, Parker, one of the reasons I brought you here is that you on more than a few occasions have had our Sunday school class go to a theater. Sometimes we even rented out an entire theater.

[00:19:38] And if you go to the website, especially since we're coming to a break, you will see a section that says for churches. And I've got in front of me here some of the material that even talks about these different themes and gives you suggested discussion questions. So this could be something, in our case, the adults will go and gather together maybe afterwards and talk about it. But if you're going to have a teen outreach or youth outreach,

[00:20:03] you could all go together and then have pizza afterwards or eat just the popcorn that's left over and sit and talk about some of these discussion questions, couldn't you? Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, again, there's a lot going on in the movie. And there are issues that we face today and hardships that people face every day today.

[00:20:25] And, again, just different ways that we can encourage one another to walk in our faith with God, to turn to Jesus in the good times and the bad times. And so it's a good movie. Let's take a break. And when I come back, I want to talk with Bob and John a little bit more about how you could use this film effectively

[00:20:49] because there are some great resources that are there for churches, ways in which you can get tickets. There's, of course, a trailer. Again, if you haven't had a chance to watch it, why don't you check it out during the break? It's very simple. They can get group tickets there as well and all sorts of other things that will give you an idea of how you could use this, I think, very effectively. And so we'll come back and spend a little bit more time talking about this film, Beyond Belief.

[00:21:15] It opens tomorrow, although I've already seen a number of theaters already that are carrying it. And I would encourage you to go and vote with your pocketbook. Let's take a break. Come back with more right after this. The Bible tells us not to worry. And yet there is a lot of worrying stuff in our world today. Thankfully, the Bible doesn't stop at telling us not to worry.

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[00:23:12] And now, here again, is Kirby Anderson. Back once again as we talk about this incredible film that I think you are going to really appreciate, Beyond Belief, Run the Race, Keep the Faith. If you go to the website, you will see under Bob Hartman as well as John Schlitt a link to the website, Facebook page, Instagram, X, and even YouTube. So there are just some ways in which you can connect up on that regard.

[00:23:39] But I thought, Bob and John, for just a minute, we were talking with Parker about how we could use the film. And I think it's always important for individuals to go, especially on the opening weekend, to really, in a sense, send the signal that we want more of these kinds of films in the theaters. But it's also helpful if you click on the button that says Get Group Tickets or something for the churches to see that this could be a very significant outreach.

[00:24:08] So how would you suggest we might use this film? Well, again, I'm the talker. I'll start. I think what you just said. I mean, the church, it would be great if the church has supported it. With us, we've never counted on that. We just feel that each individual should choose. For instance, a father texted me and said, I read your interview about it, and you said that it was deep.

[00:24:38] What I meant by that was there's a lot to it. There's a lot of messages to it. And he was concerned that his 11-year-old and his 13-year-old, that might confuse him. I says, no, no, take them, but then talk about it afterwards. That's what it's all about. This is a message that has some deepness to it. And so talk about it. It's a great conversation piece. Again, with anything involved with Petra, especially Bob's writing,

[00:25:08] it's almost you listen to it, and then it stokes interest and gets you deeper into what God has in store for you. Well, again, there's the theme of redemption and second chances, 2 Corinthians 5, 17. If anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation. That's a theme, but it's one that young people, I don't care if you're an 11-year-old or a 71-year-old, you need to learn some of those lessons and to apply those. So I think that is certainly the case.

[00:25:36] And, Parker, I was watching some of the clips, and if nothing else, we just talked about the fact that you do astronomy, and we've encouraged you. But I remember you were giving out those glasses for the solar eclipse, and I think I saw some of those in the film, did I? That's right. All right, so when I was watching the movie, I did notice near the beginning of the movie, there's a pretty big sequence where they're watching a solar eclipse.

[00:26:05] And so two and a half years ago, I don't know, I have this question for you guys, because my wife and I went to your concert in Arlington, and it was literally days before the total solar eclipse that came through Dallas. And I had a stack of the solar eclipse glasses that we distributed. It was through our day four. It had our day four logo on there and everything.

[00:26:34] But I gave a stack to your son, Bob, and I asked him, you know, hey, can you get these to the guys and your families and stuff? I know you guys are going to need these to watch the eclipse, but I noticed in the movie there are some eclipse glasses that were turned backwards, inside out basically, to where the white part shows. Are those the glasses or are those just some generic ones? No, those are not the glasses.

[00:27:02] But I'm sure they turned them around because they said something on them. Yeah. And they didn't want to, you know. Didn't want to advertise day four. That's pretty cute. We wondered about that. It was just one of those little things in the film. But, again, there are so many opportunities for people to find points of connection. We talk about the solar eclipse. Of course, we're having a lunar eclipse tonight, as I understand.

[00:27:26] But also just the 1980s theme, the music, and really, in some respects, Bob, where some of that came from because, in some respects, those were rooted in the 1980s. But in other cases, the themes of the songs that you wrote are universal, and they're timeless, aren't they? Well, we sure hope so. You know, they're from the Bible, and the Bible is timeless. Yes.

[00:27:53] So the concepts and many of the lyrics use biblical passages, and I think that's a really safe way. You know, it won't come back void. Yeah. Well, I think so. And let me talk about that for a minute because one of the other themes I mentioned, of course, redemption, is just this idea of perseverance. You know, we see in Hebrews 12 that we should run with endurance or perseverance, depending on which translation you have, the race that is marked out for us.

[00:28:23] And that's the story of Andy. He deals with a number of difficulties. And at a time when even last hour we were talking with Dean Sykes about the fact that young people are dealing with anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, in some respects this film is also another way to provide hope and encouragement for young people that are really having a difficult time making their way through this 21st century world, don't you think?

[00:28:52] Yeah, I think one of the most important messages of the movie is that God does have a plan for our lives, that we are not just wandering around doing whatever we feel like until we die and go to heaven. You know, God has a plan for us. And I think that's part of what the movie is really talking about.

[00:29:19] And I think young people, if they get the idea and understanding that God has a plan for them, and it's a good plan, it's a great plan, it's the best thing they could ever do in their lives, that's the kind of thing that if we pursue that and we discover that, that's worth following. And that was kind of the theme we were dealing with last hour. We had Dean Sykes on, and of course he has this Hope 365 daily devotional for teens,

[00:29:48] but a lot of that gets down to having hope and maybe even the issue of calling an identity. You know, in Ephesians 2 it talks about the fact that we are his workmanship. And John, it seems to me that that's something else that we really need to pass on to this generation, and that is there's never going to be another person just like you. And one of the real goals in the Christian life,

[00:30:13] and it surfaces with some of the music that has been written over the years by Petra and others, is the need for us to discover what God's calling is in our lives. Absolutely. You know, our question on stage every night is, why are you trying to face this world alone when you have the God of the universe that wants to walk before you and has a perfect plan for your life?

[00:30:40] Seriously, everyone should understand that God is a God of choice. I mean, he gives us choice. He doesn't make us do anything, but he has a plan before the beginning of time for each one of us. And that is a perfect plan. But we have to choose it. We have to understand that as we go through life, let us, you know, get into the Word. Let us understand. Let us let Christ talk to us. Let us carry us along.

[00:31:10] And I think, you know, through the movie, Andy was struggling with that, but he did find, at the end of the movie, praise God. It was all clear to him. And how everything came together basically says, yep, God's plan is perfect. Hindsight is 20-20. And it's exciting to see how it works. So I noticed in the movie that there were some theming and some scenes where, you know,

[00:31:41] Andy was unsure why God was doing certain things, why he was being prompted to do certain things. And God's plan and hand was in it the whole way, even though he didn't know why. But I also, I've heard some interviews with you, John, and Andy Crispin, a 4Him talking about your story and just different times in your own life that God,

[00:32:10] you can look back and you're like, oh, God's hand was in that. And he brought me through that. And I noticed that same theming throughout this movie. So I truly, because of my experiences, I mean, I was very blessed to have a second chance. And I honestly, I totally realized that I didn't deserve it.

[00:32:34] But God had a plan for me from the beginning of time, despite the fact that I probably fought it for years. But he never gave up on me. Wow. And I've been so thankful for that through the time I became a Christian. And, again, hindsight's 20-20. And to watch, just look back and say, God, what a great plan. Thank you, Lord, for never giving up.

[00:32:59] And I think every child of God, every person or every entity made in the image of God should understand that they have that same opportunity. But they need to choose to do it. And I think this movie basically sort of reminds everyone that that's the path that we have the opportunity to take. Let's take a break. And when we come back, I want to do a follow-up question to John. But we have one of our mandatory breaks.

[00:33:28] And a good time, again, to check out the information, beyondbelief.movie. If you'd like to know a little bit more about Bob Hartman or John Schlitt, we have all that information on our website at pointofview.net. And, again, make plans to attend the film and then use it for a discussion. Right after these breaks, we'll be back. Talk more right after this.

[00:33:51] You're listening to Point of View, your listener-supported source for truth. Back for a few more minutes. Bob Hartman and John Schlitt with us. And, of course, in studio with me, Parker Ng. And, John, since you were honest enough to talk about your own background, what about this issue, which I'm sure you've addressed many times when you've been singing,

[00:34:17] is that we run into people who believe that they are beyond God's grace. And it seems to me that that is something that you have certainly been able to speak to. And it's something I'd love to have you share again on radio. Very simple. The blood of God was shed for each one of us. And one of the great eye-openers when I first became a Christian was for a while,

[00:34:45] actually for about two years, I just thought I was too dirty to ever be used for God because of everything I had done in my past. And one day, it was like God said to me, John, which sin is it that you did that's greater than my blood? And it just totally freaked me out.

[00:35:06] And from then on, I realized that nothing that we do in a negative way is greater than the blood of Christ. And he loves us so much that that's what he did. And if you sincerely are seeking God and the enemy is trying to tell you that there's no way you can because you're just too dirty, you've done too many bad things, I'm sorry, that's not how it works.

[00:35:34] The blood of Christ was shed for us, each one of us. Well said. Parker, I know you had a question for them just before we ran out of time here today. So I wanted to say, Bob, you are such a great writer, and I appreciate the music that you've been able to put out and create for Petra. I have a list here that I created before this interview of all of my favorite songs from Petra,

[00:36:02] and it's a long, long list. And so I'm looking at the list right now thinking, okay, I can think about the lyrics in each one of these, and there's such a strong message that I don't hear in a lot of music, even Christian songs today. So I really, really want to say thank you for that. But my question is how, after so many years of doing concerts and singing and singing a lot of the same songs,

[00:36:27] how do you maintain the fire and conviction as a singer or just as a band over the years, you know, after singing these songs so many times? I really think it comes down a lot to the fans. I mean, when we go out now and, you know, we've got a new album out called Hope, and we've been doing concerts actually all over the world,

[00:36:53] and we have people come up to us every night and tell us the same story we heard just a few moments ago of how God's music has affected somebody's life. And that really lets us know we're not just up there mouthing words that don't mean anything. They have eternal meaning.

[00:37:17] And, you know, when somebody tells us that this music was a part of my spiritual life and still is, boy, that's a powerful incentive for us and the band to do our very best in every song that we play. Well said. Just before we run out of time, I'd love to hear from both Bob and John on what do you hope audiences might take away from this film? Because there are many themes.

[00:37:45] I think I focused on maybe half a dozen of them. But are there some things that you took away from or you would hope people would take away from the film? Go ahead, Bob. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. As for me, you know, there are some subtle things that aren't really blasted in the face of the viewer

[00:38:10] about how when you obey God, things happen and you don't see till later why they happened the way they did. And that is so true. It's been very true in my life. And I got a real kick out of seeing it in a movie. John? I think the fact that the whole movie, when you walk away, you have hope.

[00:38:39] And I realize our new album is called that. I'm not trying to use that as a gimmick for, you know, advertising. But the whole structure of the movie is God is there, he has a plan for you, and there is hope in your life. It was hope in Andy's life, and it became victorious at the end. And we have to understand there's hope in our life through Christ, and we need to be able to look forward to it.

[00:39:06] Well, again, I just think there are some great themes that you can use. And once again, we would encourage people to go to the website beyondbelief.movie, or you can just simply go to pointofview.net. There's a place where, of course, you can get tickets. And when I clicked that on, I was amazed at how many theaters have it. There's a place for group tickets. There's a place for churches if you wanted to do that. And, Parker, any final comments? Yeah.

[00:39:33] You know, even if you don't want to plug the album Hope, I will because I love your new album. I mean, I have it on repeat. I even have gone to bed with my AirPods in my ears listening to it on repeat. And so I do. I really love it. Well, there you go. You've got to use him as an advance, man. Yeah. You're welcome to. I'd love to. But I also have one other thing I wanted to say.

[00:40:02] David Reeves of the Wonder Center in Dix and Tennessee is a very, very dear friend of mine. And he told me to tell you guys hi. I know, John, you were there in the Wonder Center with him at an event not that long ago. And, again, we talked so much about creation and intelligent design and all the rest. And, Parker, this evening, again, you're going to have a lunar eclipse, right? There's a total lunar eclipse happening. A blood-ride moon. A blood-ride moon this evening.

[00:40:31] But it's not going to be seen total here in the United States. I mean, here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, we will be in deep partial. And it's going to start around 930 our time and then go until, like, 2 a.m. But, yeah, it'll be another late evening for me and my Day 4 club members. Well, guys, that's one of the reasons we also have Parker in every once in a while because not only does he love Petra, but he loves astronomy and God's creation.

[00:41:00] And all of that comes together in a very significant way. So, Bob and John, thank you so very much. I know you're very busy individuals, but it meant a lot that you would give us an hour today to talk about this film. And we would encourage people to find out more about Beyond Belief. And you can go to the website to find out about it. So thank you for joining us today. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kirby. Thank you, Parker. Thank you. Let me just mention real quickly that tomorrow is our Friday weekend edition. Kelly Shackelford will be with us.

[00:41:28] We're going to be talking about religious liberty, where, as a matter of fact, they have this very important religious discrimination case we'll talk about. We'll also be talking about the Supreme Court, as you might imagine, midterm elections, as well as there's a whole issue about transgender issues that is surfaced. So we'll get into that. And, of course, we will not forget the fact, as we've been talking about all this week, that there is a war in Iran and there's certainly some really important issues to address in terms of Islam.

[00:41:56] So all of that is going to be covered tomorrow here on Point of View. And if you find yourself saying, well, I'd like to know a little bit more about the film, you can, again, either go to beyondbelief.movie or just simply click on the website, pointofview.net. We have the pictures of Bob Hartman, John Schlitt, and, of course, all the links that you would need. So, again, those are some great resources. The show material has all of that as well.

[00:42:21] And, of course, my Viewpoints commentary as well as our other material for the show is available there as well. That's all we have for today. I hope that you can join us tomorrow. I hope that you'll take the time over the weekend to see if you can make your way to that film. As I've said before, it's a good way for us to vote with our pocketbook and tell people that are producing films, we want more of these kinds of films.

[00:42:45] And so, again, you can find out all the information you need at the website, pointofview.net. As always, I want to say thank you to Megan for her engineering of the program today. And I want to thank Derek for producing the program and also to Parker for suggesting it in the first place. Enjoy your day. We'll see you back here tomorrow right here on Point of View.

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