Point of View August 22, 2024 – Hour 1 : Energy Politics and the Petrodollar

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Hour 1

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_06]: do a little better for Kamala Harris tonight, but we will be talking about that quite a bit,

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_06]: especially in the second hour.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But we are privileged to have in studio here a good friend, an individual that is the host

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_06]: of the Jackie Dailer show because it's Jackie Deeson.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And she is an individual that you can watch on Blaze Media.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Matter of fact, she just finished doing her program there also on the dial of the

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Texas podcast and all the rest.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_06]: We have some links there on the website.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_06]: My mention the first article is actually an interview she did with Kevin Freeman on

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: energy politics and the petrodollar.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get into that.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Also have spread out in front of me here some of the things that are in the Democratic

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_06]: National platform on the issue of energy.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_06]: She is also a former counsel to the chairman of subcommittee on Constitution of the

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: U.S. House Judiciary Committee and a talk show host and it's great to have you in studio.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's great to be back with you and it's been too long.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I feel like I see you at least once a year but always enjoy coming back to

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you right here in our hometown.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and again, I appreciate what you do on radio and I also on video.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And so that's why I put up that first article there with Kevin Freeman before I

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_06]: get into some of the Democratic National Convention.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_06]: One of the first things you started talking about with him was the fact

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_06]: that even though there has been a real attempt on the part of the Biden

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Harris campaign and the administration to really close down oil production because

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_06]: so much of that is in private hands, they haven't been able to accomplish that.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Can you speak to that issue?

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the many wonders of America.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: There are so many things that make us great and I mean we could do endless shows.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But in this country, private individuals own the oil and gas.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: In other countries, it's owned by the king.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's owned by the royal family.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's owned by the government.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So that means that our government can't just decide what the policy is going to be.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We actually have our oil and gas regulated primarily by the states, not the feds.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's wonder number one.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Federalism federalism.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you founding fathers.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable that they could foresee so many problems and they wanted

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: to make sure that the people of the states had the ability to decide their own policy.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's not only the feds not controlling the states, they don't control the individuals,

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: which is beautiful.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So in Texas, for example, just Texas, there are 600,000 families that own our oil and gas.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: 600,000 families getting royalties off of the production of oil and gas.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So they get to decide and then as you know, pension funds own our oil and gas.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Right? If you're invested in a pension fund or a 401k, you probably own our oil and gas.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You just don't know it.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: There are literally millions and millions of Americans who own it, not the federal government.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They do regulate and they find every way possible and conceivable.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've got these agencies like 17 different agencies that regulate oil and gas production,

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: which is crazy first of all.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're constantly coming up with ways to try to recap the industry because they don't like fossil fuels.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And so far, despite all of that, as of today, 2024, we are producing more oil than ever before,

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: more natural gas than ever before.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: We're the number one producer of oil, the number one producer of natural gas,

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: more than Canada, Qatar, which is a granddaddy production and all these countries combined.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and we're the number one group in coal as far as reserves and our ability to produce.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We're number one in nuclear.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There's not much we don't win, Kirby.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's tough to screw this country up.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really tough to knock us down.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You can you can you can deal some blows to us.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no question Washington can do some major damage and it has.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We're surviving despite the thousand cuts.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I could go in for a long time, but that's the basics of it.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think it's a good point because a lot of people say, well,

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: this is what you've done under an administration that has been very hostile to fossil fuels.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Just imagine what it would be like if you had an administration that is not.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And isn't it fair to say, Jackie, that there was a time when we could honestly refer

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_06]: to ourselves as energy independent?

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what you would say so people debate this and what they're debating is this.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: No question.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We were energy secure.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: We absolutely had everything we needed to to provide for ourselves and others.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: In that sense, we are independent.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: The people who dispute that would say, well, oil is a world market.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a commodity.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we'll never be free of the pressures of what other countries do or don't

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: do if OPEC decides they're going to produce more, produce less.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to hit the price.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And so our producers will feel the effects of that.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll never quite be independent of the world on a world commodity.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But what they mean is we can provide for ourselves and we can provide for

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: others abundantly.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We've got hundreds of years of supply.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So everything's OK.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: We've still got the fundamentals under us in place.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_06]: The other part of that that people often wonder is if we are relatively secure,

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_06]: independent, whatever phrase you want to use, that means we're not sending

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_06]: money to countries that don't like us.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Some of whom are not only ones that don't like us, but actually are state

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_06]: sponsored areas of terrorism.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's a good thing too, isn't it?

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's huge.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's huge.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what you that's what I'm trying to point out with my show

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: really almost one of the overarching missions of the show is to say, listen,

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: do you want to empower the good guys in the world or the bad guys?

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So your view on fossil fuels and who should be producing or not

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: should really be about that because if we actually shut down

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: most of our fossil fuel production, you would immediately spike

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: the price of all of those commodities and the only guys left producing

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: are the bad guys.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: What some of the worst actors are in OPEC.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously Russia is not part of OPEC, but major

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: oil and gas producer, you would line the pockets of Putin's war machine

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: so hard if you knock down US oil and gas production.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really bad idea.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's empower us.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Empower good guys like Canada, like Australia, like the UK, like Norway.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: There are some good actors who produce fossil fuels in a big way.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Why seed all that market share?

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Because do we really think we're going to stop using oil

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and that they're going to stop producing it?

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a dream world.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, no, it's about it's about making the world a better place

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and preventing World War three, by the way.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I would think so.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, when we come back from the break, I've got a couple of things here.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_06]: We've got some of the platform of the Democratic National Party here,

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: one about combating climate crisis and pursuing

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_06]: and even funding environmental justice.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe you can explain what that means and then the whole idea

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: or clean energy and the rest.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And then interesting enough, the back and forth as to whether

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: or not Democrats are for or against the what are called oil and gas subsidies.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And so they've kind of been a mixed perspective on that.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, trying to nail Kamala Harris down on any of those issues

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: is going to be difficult, but I want you to try to educate us on those.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we'll get into this whole idea of the petrodollar

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and what is happening there.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_06]: We've you've heard about BRICS.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_06]: You've heard us talk about reserve currency.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get into that.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And most importantly in the first hour,

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_06]: since we're so privileged to have Jackie Deeson in studio,

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_06]: we'll open up the phones.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_06]: 1-800-351-1212 if you'd like to ask a question or if not,

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_06]: and sit back and take some notes.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me encourage you to do so.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Also, don't forget, we also have all sorts of booklets.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: There's the one I did on climate change a while back.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Here's the one on energy and the environment

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and others coming in the future.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So we think that these are resources you need to have.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Number one, as you evaluate who you're going to vote for.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Number two, what should be maybe the policy in America for the future?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Because after all, this country does still run on fossil fuels.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about that and come back with some more comments

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: right after these important messages.

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[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Recently, I have the bill's author,

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Senator Ted Cruz, on my program

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_06]: to explain why such legislation was necessary.

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[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: we witnessed a stunning increase

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_06]: in exploitative sexual material online

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: largely due to bad actors taking advantage

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_06]: of newer technologies

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: like generative artificial intelligence.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Many women and girls are forever harmed by these crimes,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_06]: having to live with being victimized again and again.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Democratic Senator Jackie Rosen further explained,

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_06]: as artificial intelligence continues to grow

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_06]: and become more prevalent in daily life,

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_06]: we must prevent it from being used

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_06]: to produce non-consensual intimate images.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Republican Senator Cynthia Lumis

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_06]: acknowledged the benefits and dangers of AI

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_06]: but said artificial intelligence is the future

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and provides an infinite number of possibilities

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_06]: of how this new technology can be used

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: to improve lives around not only in this country

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_06]: but across the entire globe.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_06]: With any new industry, comes the need to ensure

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_06]: that it's not being used by bad actors

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and AI is no different.

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[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Back right again in studio with us today, Jackie Deeson

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and she is with the Jackie Daily Show.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: We have a link to that on the website.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Also have an interview that she did with Kevin Freeman

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_06]: on energy politics and the petrodollar

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_06]: but I thought with the Democratic Convention unfolding

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_06]: and now that we have a platform,

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_06]: let me just read a clip or two from one section

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_06]: of the platform.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: They start out by saying, Jackie,

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_06]: that climate change is a global emergency.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Last four years have seen record breaking storms,

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_06]: devastating wildfires, historic floods,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: urban and rural communities have suffered tens of billions

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_06]: of dollars in economic losses.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Thousands of Americans have died,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: skipped down to like the third paragraph

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and we need global competitive clean energy

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and we reject the false choice between growing our economy

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and combating climate change.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But what about this?

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We are told that this is an emergency,

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_06]: there's a place where they say we only have a few years left

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and as I point out in my biblical Point of View

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_06]: on climate change, since I'm the old guy around the table,

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_06]: they were talking about this in the 1970s

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: when I was in high school and they're still

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_06]: talking about it.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We always only have a few years left.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that that was said a few years ago

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and if years before that and if years before that

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: is undaunting for any of them.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So the first thing is, yes, climate change is happening

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: since the beginning of time.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very natural and yes, we're contributing.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We're part of the environment.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, we have an impact on the environment.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's no such thing as a climate change denier.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anyone who denies those two facts.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone knows the climate changes and we're part of it.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Where the disagreement comes in

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: is this a crisis or an emergency?

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The answer is no.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Emphatically, no.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing happening that we can't meet the challenge.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Coastlines have been changing and eroding

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and continents changing and islands coming up

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and going up since the beginning of time.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Storms, floods, droughts have been happening

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: since the beginning of time.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: If there had been big, beautiful, expensive cities

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and expensive homes built at that time,

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: there would have been billions of dollars of damage back then.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So we have to take this in a proper context

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and I've done many, many segments on my show

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and I do break them out by segment,

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: laying out exactly the truth about these facts

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: from authoritative sources.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They are not entitled to their own facts.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will lay it out for you piece by piece on my show.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: For example, climate change activists used to dress

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: in polar bear outfits.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Notice they don't do that anymore.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know why?

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Because the population's increasing.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Because the population's increasing.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly right.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And increasing beautifully actually.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: They're doing great.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that does not at all square with the narrative

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that the polar ice caps would be gone

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: by this time as Al Gore told us.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: According to him, they should have been gone years ago.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There should be no ice right now at the poles.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And for some reason it's like there's nothing

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: these doomsday prophets can say to ever just credit them.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It just swept under the rug.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: No amount of, I do shows on that.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You entire segments on, let me make you feel better

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: about our world.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you all the devastating consequences.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: A billion people were supposed to have starved by now

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because of climate change.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I used to be afraid when I was a teenager

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: of disappearing ozone layer, acid rain.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was a strident environmentalist

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: when I was young and vulnerable and gullible.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And you live a little while and you're like,

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: wait a minute, why is no one talking about that anymore?

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they didn't need the policy anymore.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The vendor who would have been paid to fix that problem

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: laid off that or found something better to do

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: or a new drift.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think there's an emergency.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That is a scare tactic that is meant to persuade us

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: to part with our money through our tax bill

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and our electric bill.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And guess what?

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: All of your money to go to the Green New Deal programs

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: goes straight into the pockets of people

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: who are donors to big time politicians.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It goes to the politically connected

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to solve a crisis that is not there.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: As I said, absolutely they're environmental challenges

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: for sure and we have ways to solve this.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like mankind has got this where we do not,

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_03]: your children should not be foregoing having children

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because of any kind of perceived crisis.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's my first reaction.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And what was the last part of their...

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, again, the idea of the idea

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_06]: that we have a false choice between growing our economy

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and combating climate change.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And it does seem to me that we recognize

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: that you can do some things that would be helpful.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, if the goal, and one of the places here

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_06]: is the goal to go back to the Paris Climate Agreement.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And I always ask individuals that are somewhat skeptical

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_06]: about whether or not we have a future here

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_06]: in this planet to say, well,

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_06]: if indeed you wanted to actually achieve

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the Paris Climate Agreement,

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_06]: do you know which country has actually been able

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_06]: to reduce carbon more than any other country?

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be ours.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and that's why.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_06]: The United States who did not even sign the agreement.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It happened more than once

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're the only country that abstains

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're also the only country that meets the goals.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So no one at the UN should be lecturing us

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: about clean air, about carbon emissions,

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: which by the way are not the same thing as pollution.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But in any event, whether it's clean water,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: or clean air, or carbon emissions,

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: we're the best among the advanced countries,

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the industrialized advanced countries.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You would have to go to countries that are islands

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in the middle of the ocean

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to find better conditions oftentimes

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: than what we have on the average in America,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: especially for particulate matter pollution,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: which is a dangerous type.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It gets into your heart and lungs

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that causes cardiopulmonary problems.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a real problem.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This country is amazingly clean.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Europe can't hold a candle to us.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: How dare they lecture us on cleaning up our environment?

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say to the Democrats,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: they should consider some very compelling facts

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that mirror what they're saying.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This country has boomed in population since 1970.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: We have doubled, more than doubled the GDP.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have these stats that they're ready.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, exploded the population,

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: exploded the GDP, exploded our growth,

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: tripled the number of miles driven in this country,

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and at the same time, we've reduced our pollution

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to six federally regulated pollutants

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: by more than 70%, each one of them.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think lead is down 90%.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We know how to do that.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The use of fossil fuels is not usually exclusive

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: with a clean environment.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That's my reaction to that.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason we do this well

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: is because we're Americans and we innovate.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: If we identify a problem, we can fix that problem.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that has always been the answer for humankind.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the US is still the best as far as patents

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and solving problems.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: We have like the overwhelming number of Nobel laureates.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, a third of them are immigrants

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: who come to this country.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Why?

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Because they're not rewarded for their innovation

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: or for their hard work

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and for what they contribute in their home country.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's a communist country where any wealth you make

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: will be confiscated.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So what is your incentive to invent?

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's no market there, right?

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Because there's no freedom.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing for them to sell into.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no great institution for them to ascend through.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: No private property rights.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They come here because merit is still rewarded.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: To some degree in this country,

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: hard work is still rewarded.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Innovation is still rewarded.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to keep it that way

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: if we want the best people coming here from elsewhere.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And so what I have to say is we can do it.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Number one, don't be afraid.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Please don't be afraid.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We can dispel fear with facts.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what, especially say that to the younger kids.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I just reject these parts of the platform.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's very misguided.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they need to listen to the Jackie Daly show.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, again, that issue of fear,

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll talk about more of this the second hour,

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but Oprah Winfrey is up there saying,

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_06]: well, these other people,

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_06]: meaning Republicans and everything,

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_06]: are playing on your fears.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought, well, first of all,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the fear I'm hearing here is about the fact

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_06]: that we're on the edge of a global climate apocalypse.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And the fear of the fact that there might be

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: another party that would actually do something

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_06]: that we would disagree with.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_06]: But I thought it was interesting

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_06]: because that issue of fear is something

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_06]: that is really, as you said before, affecting kids.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And so we need to take a break

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and maybe spend some time, if we can,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_06]: getting into some other issues.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_06]: We already have some phone calls,

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_06]: and of course I figured Jackie would create those.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_06]: So let me open up the phones 800-351-1212.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll do those after the break.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But just as we're going to a break,

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_06]: let me just mention, you heard us talk about the fact

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_06]: that there have been record breaking storms and wildfires.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you're familiar with Bjorn Lomberg

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_06]: in which he points out if you plot that over time,

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_06]: no, actually not so much.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But there have been very significant costs,

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_06]: tens of billions of dollars in economic losses.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_06]: If you only look at that,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_06]: you think things were getting worse.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_06]: But you know, a lot of people are building their homes

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_06]: next to the seacoast.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Including a few of those that were speaking this week.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_06]: For example, like Barack Obama and others.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And so yes, there are more things

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_06]: as you alluded to just a minute ago

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they could be destroyed.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So if you only look at the statistic

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_06]: on the economic devastation of weather,

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_06]: you'd say, well, we're in really bad way.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_06]: If you look at it in other ways,

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_06]: you recognize that really we're actually a bit of an aloh

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_06]: in terms of some of these weather disasters.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And in terms of the number of people killed

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_06]: by these weather related environmental issues is going down.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's because we figured out ways to protect people.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, just a couple of facts

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_06]: that you need to keep track of

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_06]: because even as we pointed out yesterday,

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Pete Budashev is gonna tell you crime went up

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and he did last night.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Say crime went up under Trump

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's went down under Biden.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I gave you the answer for the fact that

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I think all of us know that crime is up right now.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_06]: After all, if you say defund the police,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_06]: guess what's gonna happen?

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[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Jackie Deeson, unless we can go out to California

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_06]: listening on KNLB.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Kathy, thank you for joining us today here on Point of View.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I know this is gonna be a long,

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: hopefully I'm gonna try to shorten it down.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: In the last six years,

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: California has shut down 29%

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: of our in-state oil and gas production,

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but can't build alternative quick...

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Quickly enough to replace it.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: California spent 25 billion a year importing costly oil.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: California's energy policies

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_02]: are the reason California paid an average of $1.47 more

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: per gallon.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Now my question is, if Kamala Harris got in,

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: because they're not answering anything,

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and Buddha judge was a mayor, or I guess he was governor,

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and he got into the position he's in,

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: is it possible that they could appoint somebody

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like Gavin Newsen into the EPA,

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: or whatever it would be on the oil

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and implement their alternative energy

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and impose that on the state?

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, and again, part of it is, as we've said before,

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you've always heard what happens in Las Vegas,

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_06]: stays in Las Vegas, but unfortunately,

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_06]: what happens in California sometimes spreads

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_06]: to the rest of the country.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_06]: What about that?

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true, a state's policy can be metastatic

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and metastasized to other states,

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or in a good way, it can also travel when it's good.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would say it's absolutely possible

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that Gavin Newsen could be EPA administrator.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: They hold up California like it's the gold standard

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: for environmental policy, and I've done segment after segment

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: after segment on just how poor they are

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: in environmental standards, despite what you've heard,

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's preventing forest fires and forest management,

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: endangered species, water conservation,

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: they're one of the worst states in everything.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Poverty, energy prices as you just mentioned,

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: they pay 61% more on average the last time I checked

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: than the rest of the country because of outrageous policy.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The good news is that Gavin Newsen or anyone

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: who takes the EPA helm would be just as restrained

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: as the person who's there right now.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So there is a limit, thank God, because of federalism,

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the states do have a say in this,

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: individuals do have a say in this.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately we have to litigate,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_03]: so their approach has been in the past

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: to either break the law in my opinion,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: or maybe it would be more accurate to say,

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: they read the law in such an incredulous way,

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: stretching any possible definition

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: to be able to expand their power,

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it's up to you, the violated state

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: or individual to go in and fight them in court,

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: which is extremely expensive

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and few people can afford to do it.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not afraid that a really bad EPA administrator

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: could be much worse than the one we have now

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: or others that we've had in the past,

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: we still have the constitution for now to protect us.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wouldn't lose too much sleep over Gavin Newsen

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_03]: attempting to bring the bad California policy

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to the federal level because frankly,

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: they're already doing it,

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they may have been as hard as they can,

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and so far we've been able to hold off that onslaught.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, again, let's talk about that for a minute

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: because sometimes by re-defining terms,

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_06]: what it means to be a man or a woman,

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_06]: we've seen that, for example, the whole transgender issue,

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_06]: or I know of individuals that have a pawn

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: that somehow is considered navigable water.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_06]: And so you see all sorts of private property rights

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_06]: just flying out the window,

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_06]: and as you point out,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_06]: maybe you will eventually win in court, but at what cost?

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that the problem?

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Very few people have the ability to fight.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They almost have to have a public policy legal interest

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: or a public interest legal foundation

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: to be able to come in and fight their battle for them

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: because they can't afford it.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The feds know they can just steamroll

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: over the individuals and ranchers and farmers.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: As you just mentioned,

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: waters of the United States

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: was a very highly controversial concept.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: If there was so much as a puddle

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: that would form in your backyard after a storm,

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they would call that a navigable water.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And therefore they could regulate it

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: as the federal government

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: because of their interpretation

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of what a navigable water is.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a perfect example

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03]: of how they try to expand their power

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: that's very dangerous.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's totally unprincipled, totally dishonest.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: What it amounts to is a power grab

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: because think about how much more physical land

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: they have jurisdiction over

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: by behaving that way and laying down those regs

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: than they did before.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean they have endless creativity.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And again, these are all these bureaucrats,

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: unelected, you don't even know their name.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't get rid of them

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: in those basements in Washington along the mall

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and all those agencies making up all of these ways

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: to take your land and money and freedom.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see if we can for just a minute,

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_06]: talk about the Green New Deal.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: That's one of the things I have in one of my booklets

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_06]: here because if indeed you have

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_06]: the Kamala Harris administration,

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_06]: and again we asked if that would be the case

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_06]: with Kathy, what might that be?

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Because she has been a sponsor of the Green New Deal.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Can you explain what that is and what that might mean

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_06]: if indeed she would be able to get that passed in Congress?

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay so it morphs over time.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Every time they think of some new giveaway

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: to their donors, they throw that in too.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's very difficult to say exactly

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: what all it encompasses but let's put it this way.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It will be the most expansive growth or spike in their power

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: over just about every facet of your life.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's about extracting more and more money

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: from the taxpayer to fund these boondoggles

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: like Selendra being the poster child

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: but there are so many, there are hundreds.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We talk about Selendra like,

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: oh that happened one time, one bad idea.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it happens all the time, a lot of bad ideas.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And Trump is now fixated on one of them

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: where there is a program to build

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: all these electric vehicle charging stations

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and it was like a billion dollar price tag or more

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and they built like nine.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So, and again he's just pulling out the greatest hits.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not pulling out, we wouldn't have enough time

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: for all the giveaways.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So whatever they can conceivably call

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: an environmental benefit with their bogus studies

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: like I'm covering this week in my show, they're gonna try.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So they'll never run out of ideas

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and the Green New Deal couldn't pass in Congress obviously

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03]: so what do they do?

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: They tucked it into the Inflation Reduction Act,

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: so called Inflation Reduction Act

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_03]: which was the opposite of an Inflation Reduction Act.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you throw a bunch of money at into the economy

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and you had to print those dollars, you're inflating.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why when you were seeing it, right?

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Believe your lying eyes please.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So look at the price tag at the grocery store.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's take another phone call real quickly

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and we'll head out to North Carolina.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: William, thank you for joining us today.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, thank you for being on

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and thank you for our guests today.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I am inspired and tremendously enlightened on your update.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to comment that we were arguing

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the responsibility to manage the resources on the planet.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what you're saying ma'am, that we're doing that.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We have the ability to do that, that's our responsibility.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I keep right on hearing all this

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: climate stuff, the Bible says

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: while the earth remains, the time the harvest,

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: cold and heat, once on a summer day and night

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: shall not cease.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So God not gonna let me happen to the planet

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that He given us this is believable to manage.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, thank you, a blessing for what you do Kirby.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me just mention that one of my booklets here

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_06]: talks to you to, for example Psalm 24,

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: the earth is the Lord's in the fullness thereof.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_06]: If you go even into the Old Testament,

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_06]: there are all sorts of very wise management principles,

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: biblical principles.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And it just seems to me that sometimes

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_06]: one of the biggest concerns I have is that

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_06]: right now we have evidence that suggests

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_06]: that interest in the environment

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_06]: is inversely related to church attendance.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_06]: In other words, the more dedicated you are as a Christian,

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_06]: the less likely you are to be concerned

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_06]: about the environment.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And I know why part of that is,

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I used to be involved in some of the environmental issues

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_06]: just like you were.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And then I started seeing all these kind of new age people

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_06]: and all the rest go into it.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think sometimes Christians back out,

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_06]: but we should be the best examples of people

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_06]: that want to wisely use and steward

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the resources that we have.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree, I wanna be very clear.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the duty to steward the earth is a duty.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not negotiable.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not maybe kind of if it's not even last priority.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to care about the earth.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And what we want is honesty.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: What we want is authenticity in the debate

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and in our goals and what we're doing here.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't mean redistribute wealth

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: to the federal government and let them run your life.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It means care about the real issues.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember, as I said,

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I was a strident environmentalist when I was a teenager

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was raised in the church.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We were every Sunday people.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember I went to the summer enrichment course

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and the professor had a video for us to watch

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and he explained that humans are the cancer of the earth.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yes, for sure.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And why we're the problem.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If only humans would go extinct, the earth would be fine.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the day I realized, wait a minute,

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: what am I doing here?

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that guy's not representative of everyone

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but that is brazenly false and anti-human

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and dangerous if taken to its logical conclusion.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's part of what I'm fighting here, right?

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw David Rockefeller give a speech in Washington

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and he said that he, we're almost out of time

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but said the same thing and I strongly disagree.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get to that comment after the break

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and if you'd like to join us, 1-800-351-1212,

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_06]: we'll be back right after this.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You're listening to Point of View,

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[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Meg Ronskin, if you would like to join the conversation

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_06]: 1-800-351-1212, I was gonna leave the last segment

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_06]: here to talk about the Petrodollar,

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_06]: one of our callers wants to get into that as well

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_06]: with bricks but first of all,

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_06]: you were talking about hearing Rockefeller talk about this

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and even hearing people refer to human beings

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_06]: as parasites and cancer and all the rest.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_06]: That's when you say,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_06]: that's not a biblical view of human nature is it?

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That is an emphatically anti-biblical view of the world

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and of God's, one of God's greatest creations

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: of course being us and so yeah,

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I rejected that wholesale

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's when I really began to turn

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_03]: on the environmental movement

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and pay closer attention to maybe there's a bigger agenda here

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: than just I was the recycler,

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't use a hair spray in an aerosol can,

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: no chlorofluorocarbons.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always been an evangelizer about something,

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always got a cause and that was my cause at the time

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and so I totally turned from that

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and began really becoming suspicious

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: of the people at the top.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I interviewed Patrick Green who's the founder

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: of Greenpeace, or Patrick Moore, excuse me.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the founder of Greenpeace on my show multiple times

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's amazing, very strident environmentalist, PhD

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and he said, listen,

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the environmental movement has changed dramatically

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: since its founding in the 70s.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, we did amazing things,

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: we saved whales, we saved baby seals,

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_03]: we did all these things that you heard about.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, but eventually when the money really gushed in,

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: priorities changed and be careful.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Look out for the foreign money that flows

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: into the Green movement because guess what?

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: If you are an OPEC country or you're Russia,

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_03]: what you want more than anything

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: is for the environmental movement of the United States

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to destroy the oil and gas production

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: in the United States,

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that's their number one competitor,

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it's driving down their revenues.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Think about this, there's nothing more they want

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: than to eliminate our fossil fuel production

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: so they're on board with the Green movement

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: as long as it's not in their country.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: The day that Greenpeace goes to Riyadh,

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: it's out of Arabia or Tehran, then I'll be impressed.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't see that day coming or to Moscow, please.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Not happening.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, let's see if we can talk about the Petrodollar

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_06]: because that's one of the things

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_06]: and of course one of our callers wants to talk

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_06]: about BRICS but again for people that are not familiar

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_06]: there was a decision long ago,

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: we can go into the details if we want

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_06]: about the fact that if you were to purchase oil

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_06]: from Saudi Arabia, you would do use American dollars

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and that's where the dollar became the reserve currency.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_06]: You can go to Bretton Woods

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: in a variety of other decisions

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_06]: but we are in a different kind of world now aren't we?

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so people need to understand

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that that was so critically important

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: because oil is the most traded commodity on the planet

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: even today by miles, by miles.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoever told you that oil is yesterday

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're moving beyond oil

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're keeping it in the ground

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're transitioning, please.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You can't find a source anywhere on earth

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that will tell you otherwise

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: including US government sources run by very green advocates

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: so first of all, around World War I

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: it became obvious that if you're gonna be a superpower

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you'd better have a supply of oil

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that you can rely on to run your country.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: The BRICS were running on coal

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: which was great because they had a lot of it

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but wanted to transition to oil

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so they were investing in Iran

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Anglo-Iranian oil company

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: which eventually becomes BP, British petroleum.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So the BRICS are locking up Iran

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and at the same time, long afterwards

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: we start locking up Saudi Arabia.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be our store

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_03]: so everybody's kind of rushing

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: to make sure that they've got locked up what they need

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and so our relationship with the House of Saud

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: goes all the way back there.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the 1930s, this is a long time ago

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: right.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And people cannot even dream of the world

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that existed back then

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're still in the same framework with the Saudis

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the House of Saud conquered Saudi Arabia

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: with 200 guys on camels.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and then this is in the 1900s

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: not knowing this gold mine that was under their feet.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So this weird bizarre history

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and the Iranians didn't know what they had at the time.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So we formed this relationship.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It explains why we might be so cozy

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with people who don't share our values

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and in fact were the home country

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: for many of the hijackers for 9-11

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and we have all these bizarre ironic relationships.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we agreed to provide them with defense.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: They agreed to provide us with oil

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and that all made sense.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You can see why this made sense.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Now we're reaching an era where

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe we're not the top dog for long militarily.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we're not the best, the strong horse

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: they want to pick to be with.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Our agreement is only as good

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: as our ability to keep our half of it.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: If we've got anyone who can align against us

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and take us down, maybe they need to rethink what they're doing.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what you're seeing right now with the BRICS.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: BRICS means other countries that have come together

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in an economic alliance, Brazil, Russia, India, China,

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: South Africa and now lots of other countries

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: are joining the BRICS and it's scary

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: because it means they're lining up

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: against a different currency than ours.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Will, one of the calls wants to get into that.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So Roy in South Carolina, thank you for joining us today.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Kirby.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting topic.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a presentation read or listened to the other day.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Vladimir Putin is hosting a meeting in Russia,

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: forget the name of the city,

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: with BRICS October 22nd or there about.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And their intent is pretty much to dethrone the dollar

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: for the reserve currency that it is,

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: but what are they gonna replace it with?

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Something backed by gold

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you can trust these folks,

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that's another big thing.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But where do we stand?

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Is our national debt accumulating at a trillion dollars

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: every 100 days or so?

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Any quick comments?

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_06]: We're only almost out of time.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Sam, I mean, you hit all the key points

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: as far as the danger that we're in

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and we're going quickly in the wrong direction,

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: no country can print this much money

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: or run up this much debt and survive it.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: People see this coming,

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: which is why they're anxious

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: to consider other alternatives.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: BRICS is definitely stockpiling gold and silver

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and other resources.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You might say some of these countries

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: have an oil backed currency.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You might say the US has an oil backed currency,

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: frankly.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Any commodity, anything, any store of value

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and obviously commodities are the ancient stores of value,

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like gold and wheat and oil.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not oil, okay.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But any of those things can help back them up

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and then you have this whole idea

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_03]: of the digital currencies, the crypto currencies.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not backed by anything

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: except the trust people put in them.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Putin's even allowing Bitcoin mining,

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: so we'll see where all that goes.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I have a lot of thoughts

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_03]: about that that we don't have time for right now.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they're gonna find a way to cobble together.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Something other than the dollar.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Correct, they just want somewhere to run to

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: when this dollar collapses as any honest person

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: would tell you if we don't correct course fast

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and bring in our own commodities

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: to try to straighten this out

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: or fix the balance sheet a little,

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: we're gonna have a lot of trouble.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I see kind of the winding down

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_06]: of the American Empire a little bit.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Let me just mention that if you want more information,

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_06]: we have a link to jackiedailey.com.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Jackie spelled with an I

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and of course you don't have to remember how to spell it

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_06]: because it's all there on the website.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Also I have that very interesting interview

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_06]: she did with Kevin Freeman

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_06]: about energy politics and the petrodollar.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We only mentioned it in passing

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_06]: but the hour goes very fast when you're in studio.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_06]: So we're gonna have to get you back here

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: a little more often

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and it has been a delight to have you here.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, if people go to Jackie daily,

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_06]: they can hear you,

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_06]: they wanna write and ask a question,

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_06]: they can do that as well.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Have you come and speak?

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_06]: That's all available, isn't it?

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right, sure is.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so great to be with you

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and the guests had wonderful questions.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You have a smart audience.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we do.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_06]: We try to educate them

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_06]: and second hour we're gonna get back

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_06]: into the Democratic Convention

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_06]: although we gave you a little bit of a look

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_06]: into the issue of climate change,

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_06]: energy production, the petrodollar.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We have a lot more to cover

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_06]: and of course, Kamala Harris will be speaking tonight.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't forget that tomorrow we'll have Dr. Merrill Matthews

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and Kelly Shackleford in studio.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll have a round table discussion.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's take a break.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be back right after this.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_05]: In 19th century London,

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: two towering historical figures did battle

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: not with guns and bombs,

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: but words and ideas.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_05]: London was home to Karl Marx,

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the father of communism

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and legendary Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: London was in many ways the center of the world,

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: economically, militarily and intellectually.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Marx sought to destroy religion, the family

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything the Bible supports.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Spurgeon stood against him,

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: warning of socialism's dangers.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Spurgeon understood Christianity

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