[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, happy Thursday on this beautiful August afternoon.
[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for spending your time with us today.
[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a full Millennial Round Table for you as always.
[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_00]: This first hour I am joined by Josh Barnes.
[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He is the pastor as well as the host of the YouTube show.
[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The Bible explained he always brings us such wisdom, great insight.
[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He is very intelligent when it comes to knowing all things not just theological
[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but how they relate to us as we think about this world that we live in.
[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us today, Josh.
[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll always look forward to your show.
[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, next up we also have Katrina mostly with us today.
[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a speaker, author, advocate.
[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You know her well.
[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: She is what I would call a political guru out of the D.C. area and you are so grateful
[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to have you today Katrina.
[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for being with us.
[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me.
[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Happy to be here.
[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well this first hour we are going to be spending our discussion.
[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about many topics so much has happened in the last few weeks since we were
[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: last here.
[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean when we were last year at the round table, the assassination attempt on President
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump and his life had just occurred but since then things have been moving at
[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: such a rapid pace.
[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You know all of our heads are spinning but we're going to try to break down a few of the
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: things you may have noticed that happened in the news the last few weeks and really
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: spend some time discussing them, processing them.
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's good not to just move at the speed of news, right?
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a used to be a 24 hour new cycle.
[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's now a 12 hour new cycle and spend some time processing not just our political
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: world, the election.
[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Since then Kamala Harris has deshroned President Biden, selected her Vice President
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: O'Pig which will be talking about in our second hour with Richard Lim.
[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But before then we're going to start on some culture and religion.
[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to just start today with an article that you can find on pointofu.net.
[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's an article from live action that's a topic.
[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm personally really passionate about not just because I am a pro-life advocate but because
[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a topic discussed at all in mainstream media which of course is why
[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: we on point of view want to have this show.
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's to be able to talk about things and educate on topics that are not typically going
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: to be covered by our mainstream media.
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The first is entitled Black Faith Leaders say nothing is more racist in America than the abortion
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: industry and I think in a world, in y'all feel free to pipe in here but in a world where
[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: we have the Black Lives Matter movement and not just the equality movement but the movement
[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: to make everything race centered.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We have all these controversial things in our school to discuss race centered educational
[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: programs, CRT, critical race theory.
[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: There are some aspects I don't want to dismiss wholesale of those conversations that need
[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: to be had and are still really important for us outside of what the left and the progressive
[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: is pushing and for me the top of that list is the impact that abortion has on eliminating
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the Black population.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It is the number one leading cause of death not just worldwide, not just in every single
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: state in in America but in the Black community and that's not something that is spoken
[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: about often.
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: In this article I thought did a really great job from leaders in the African American community
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: pastors saying this is not a political issue in a world where everyone wants to push the
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: abortion issue into the dichotomy of politics, right versus left, red versus blue instead
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a human issue and so I wanted to start there but I'm going to start with you because
[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you I think maybe even know some of the bishops in this article.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to get your just your ideas on when you read this and I know you've got a lot
[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to say on the topic so feel free to take the floor.
[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and these pastors are bold because they're putting opportunity online, they're putting
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: their congregation online to say these things and so I can mend them and I know they've been
[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: added for a long time and really I think it's a demonstration of what we need in our community.
[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: We need to stand up for ourselves and say no to such things.
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We need to say no to the ABC stores, no to the CBD units and no to the races they be
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: chopped up, no-ness clamped parenthood.
[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We have to do that and I think what they're doing is leading by example and I'm very, very
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: proud of them and I think this issue when it comes to black standing up about abortion and
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: this race is roots.
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why you can't say that the abortion issue is dead.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if many people may have heard the latest Trump press conference that happened a week ago
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: where you kind of down by the issue saying, you know, it's back to the states and this is a dead
[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: issue. It's not going to be a big issue anymore and a lot of people may have that sentiment now
[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that rose overturned but this story right here is a prime example just one example of why
[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: abortion is not a dead issue because when abortion continues to target support minorities and
[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: predicted disabled, then it's not just about abortion. This is about the beginning.
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's an important point because when you look at the statistics in this article which have been
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: well studied and reported over the years the disproportionate impact not only Margaret Sanger
[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: who was the founder of Planned Parenthood and wrote some of the most I think evil, dark,
[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: eugenicist population wanted to eliminate the black and minority populations as well as poor
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: communities. We all know my former boss D Nelson would say you don't help the poor by killing the poor,
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: right? That's not how you help the communities but those are the lies that have been sold.
[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and recently as of 2021 Black Americans made up 11.6 people living in the United States
[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: if you think of black women of child-bearing age as you didn't even smaller per person.
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yet they account for 42% of abortion's nearly half of abortions on this community and that just
[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: goes to show you how prevalent it is when 89% of Planned Parenthoods are within walking distance
[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to minority communities. That's intentional. They're praying on these communities and sold
[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: a bill of lies that have been bought and so one of the reasons I wanted to ask you this as well
[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for our break is why is it so I wouldn't say dangerous risky for these bishops and pastors
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you said they could lose their congregations for talking about this. Can you tell me briefly why?
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean more of their congregations are made up of black females. So black women are
[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: some majority of tertiary schools. We don't have a lot of black men who are in the home so
[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you start talking about abortion then that in my mind has less into judgment and to condemnation
[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and is not because most of the times you have women who have been even spoken about their
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: abortions so they're internalizing this pro-life bold message into shame. So I mean there's
[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: emotional barriers there, there's relational barriers there and that's why this can really damage
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: their reputation amongst their own congregants. They're taking a big risk here so I commend them
[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: we can have more in-text families where that may not be the case but it's majority women who are
[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: in their congregations who may feel like they don't want to do this message. That's an interesting
[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: point and I don't want to it to be lost that I also believe in mainstream white or evangelical
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: even Catholic churches that is the case among women one in four women who have an abortion
[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: art church attending. So this is not an issue really outside of the church and out there in
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: the secular world this is an issue for healing it's an opportunity for discipleship
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: it's an opportunity to really change culture within our own belief system with our own communities.
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: More we'll hear back from Josh I want to hear his perspective as a pastor on this when we get back
[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: after this break. This is viewpoints with Kirby Anderson we have another example of the growing
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: surveillance state this comes from the revelation that the securities and exchange commission is
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: complete in a database of all American stock and equity transactions and portfolios
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it will track investments in real time some experts of express concerns former US attorney general
[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: bill bar says that the database presents a huge concern in a recent interview bar explained
[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you could have someone at the SEC say let me check out this person and see if I can find something on
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he argues that the database of all American stock and equity transaction information
[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: would allow SEC employees to go on fishing expeditions. Now this may be the first two
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: heard of this fortunately former vice president Mike Pence organization advancing American freedom
[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: is attempting to raise awareness how do we lose our privacy we lose it bit by bit always with
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the justification has been done for own good in my booklet on digital surveillance I document how
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: both big government and big business are collecting massive amounts of data on us and how it can be
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: used against us. Now more than a decade ago the SEC decided to build a giant database to
[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: capture trades then it just grew in grew and critics say the SEC avoided congressional scrutiny
[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: by putting pressure on self-regulating organizations. Now few members of Congress in a coalition
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of conservatty policy experts signed a letter expressing their concern about the project they
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: predict that the database upon completion would be the world's largest database outside of
[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the national security agency. This is how government grows and how we lose our privacy.
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[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_04]: your listing to point of view your listener supported source for truth. Welcome back to the
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: millennial roundtable where we are discussing really the leading numbers and the leading cause of death
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: among not just minority populations but all of our population is abortion and if we can take it out
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: of the context we've been you know really the media has crammed on our throat for so many years that
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: is the political issue and instead say this is a human issue. When you have the highest abortion rate
[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: over a million children were killed in the year after row was overturned I don't know if you know
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that after states were protecting children or allowed to legally protect children and those
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: went into place there's such a push with the abortion pill that it was the highest
[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: abortion rate in America in 12 years after row is overturned and those are devastating statistics
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and we have these pastors this bishop Patrick Wooden for the upper room church of God in
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Christ in North Carolina and then pastor John I will butcher his last name Aman Chukwa I think
[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: he they spoke out and said in especially in black communities we've been prey to upon by
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: plan pair of hood they called it a genocide and it really starts I believe with with us as the church
[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: these pastors boldly courageously leading even when it's not expedient to them because it's
[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: truth to to educate their congregations and and shed truth and white on the darkness so
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk to you about this Josh because not only are you a pastor but this is something we
[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: find in a pro-life movement is common for there to be a hesitancy where pastors are reticent
[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: to discuss this issue because it's women in their churches if they are daughters if their
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: nieces or sisters and cousins who've had abortion and it's the men who do attend you know if
[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: if nearly half the population has had abortion that also means that nearly half the population
[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: of men have been participants in that or failing to support and step up in those moments of
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: unexpected pregnancy so Josh I wanted to get your take on not just as a pastor but you know
[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: courage the church to engage more on this issue well I mean I think the I think you bring up
[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: some really great questions at great points I think that the ultimate answer is if the Bible is
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: truly the foundation of the church then that will fix the problem and I think there's a lot of
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of the people who won't speak up about this pastor who won't speak up about this it's because
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: there are other goals they have besides each and preaching and explaining and understanding the
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Bible it is building a following getting people to like them you know having you know having
[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_06]: enough money in the bank whatever their what other their purposes are but they're not the
[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_06]: purpose that they should have I love I love what you said you said that I'm gonna try to repeat
[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: it you said it's not just a political issue it's a human issue but I would I would go even further
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: with that it's not just a human issue it's also a religious issue and that's not to say that
[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: you have to be religious to see this is wrong you can see that that murdering children is wrong
[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: if you're not a Christian but as a Christian you cannot be silent about this no pastor who is
[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_06]: who can who studies the Bible and and looks at what the Bible has to say has any excuse for
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_06]: coming away saying no I think this is personal opinion he's he's got to come away saying this is
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_06]: murder there's no there's no escape for that but not it's not just the science it's this
[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_06]: descriptors too there's not a single place where the Bible speaks about the death of an
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: unborn child where it doesn't speak about that child as being just as valuable as the
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: not just this is not just a not just a human issue it's also a script for a issue so a pastor who's
[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: going to preach the Bible past to preach against abortion and and then when you add to that this
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_06]: the idea that the the whole push for abortion to hold modern feminism not not feminism in that
[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_06]: women are equal to men of course they are in value but the idea the modern feminist that goes
[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_06]: and say well women should be able to murder their children in all this nonsense all of that
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_06]: did come from Margaret Sanger who was a genesis and she the whole point of feminism was to push
[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_06]: this hatred of children that she had if anyone reads any of the things Margaret Sanger wrote they'll
[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_06]: walk away saying how in the world did anybody swallow this and think this was a good idea but I can't
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_06]: say to watch the 19 this 19 16 project I'm actually very glad that you shared this article because
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I was unaware of it I'm very very much looking forward to the documentary yes it is a
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: document I'm glad you brought that out it's called the 19 16 project and it gets into what you're
[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: alluding to which is that Margaret Sanger had such a deeply racist roots you know we've heard
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: of this eugenesis movement I think it's really was the catalyst for the Holocaust this idea
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that there is a superior race I believe Margaret Sanger with even dating Charles Darwin's brother and so
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: these ideas that originate with Charles Darwin of survival of the fittest took such a deep roots
[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: culturally that all the Ivy League schools for decades had eugenesis openly eugenesis elidist
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: professors who said you know there is an ideal race or these ideals cultures and of course we have
[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to believe ours were announced that I mean it's just a purest darkest evil form but we still see
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: roots of that that is not a hundred year old philosophy it's still current isn't it Petrina
[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely and as they say when the math math in math and you look at where plant parents are
[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: located as you talked about previously 80% in minority communities okay racist roots
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and legacy of organization from through to martyred okay 1 plus 1 equals 2 and those numbers today
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: 40% of all the abortions are on minorities okay that's 3 1 plus 1 plus 1 equals 3 so I mean
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: there is still a legacy of racism going on with abortion it is an evil evil demonic tool
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: that is plaguing our country it is the original sin and I don't think I'll ever stop
[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: preparing abortion to slavery and and some positivity and some negativity the negative is that
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it is just like slavery it is the dehumanizing of the person and we repented of that and we have
[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: reverse court in this country crazed the law which takes me to my positive it is impossible to
[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: force correctness issues we we've already seen it with slavery and we have seen it with the
[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: overture a row price guy and it's not over the battle is that over is that over in the state
[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: it's not over at the federal level it's not over with winning women to the Lord and this is why
[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: so important with Joshua said about being bold and preaching about this issue we can have
[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: to understand churches can't have their heads in the sense we have believers are called to be engaged
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and to be tellers of the season we are in a season right now whether it is rampadarkness rampad
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: crime rampad hardness of the heart and we are we need to be there with the light and with the
[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: two of the gospel and when you don't talk about abortion because you have a fear man you have
[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: a fear of the dollar or whatever opportunities you may be seeking you are missing out on different
[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: people that opportunity to respond to the gospel you're missing out on giving women specifically
[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the opportunity to have their wounds healed and to hear from Christ on this issue so they are
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: there challenged like you said one before they're there and maybe they kept secret about it
[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: but when you preach about it you talk about the evil that it is and the mercy and the grace
[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: of available at the cross and now that person that woman is no longer bound in shame and in guilt
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and that she's activated to be the most fierce call I've ordered there is that's amazing that's
[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the story of the gospel and really that's what Satan is trying to keep from happening but keeping
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of passages in church is quiet and in fear so we can't have that and I totally told
[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with some man Joshua for his his heart on that issue and say a hearty hearty amen.
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree you know if you're thinking to yourself right now what something I can do in my church
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: because I do think you know we we have such an online world everything so big but really
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it's this isn't necessarily national in our community in our neighborhoods in our cues
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: girls sitting next to us we're having real women with real problems and their tangible
[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: problems they can't find affordable housing they are having a hard time paying for child care
[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: or having a safe place for their children their single moms where they can leave their children
[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and go to their hourly wage paying job across town because they have to live in a part of
[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: town that's cheap enough and not safe and so these are really practical problems women are facing
[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: every day and so for you if you're sitting in your pews you're seeing in your church your neighborhood
[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: think through who can I serve around me can I at my church there's abortion recovery
[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: curriculums maybe this a part of your story and it's something got his redeemed in your life
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: whether you're a father or a mother healing is the first step of that and so you can go to
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: human coalition dot org get connected with us they hey what can I do at my church in my community
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and how can I better reach women and there are ways there's an app that we have where women will
[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: say hey I need diapers this month I need some formula this month these tangible needs that it's just
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: going to help give them a boost for the next month and we can ask you hey can you pay for diapers
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: for these two families for the next two months something simple like that can make a huge
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: difference when we get back to shift our conversation to the Olympics there are a few things
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[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: staff of this station and now here again Chelsea Yolman welcome back to the millennial
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: round table today we are rounding out our our today with Josh Barnes and Petrina Mosley you
[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: can read all of our articles or more that we're discussing today we always have great resources
[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: on point of view dot net don't forget to like us or follow us on Facebook we're turning now
[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: to something you guys know I always do this if I get really irritated about something I'm seeing
[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: in the news I like to process it here but if y'all I don't know if this is healthy or therapeutic
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think it's good for us as Christians and like my date values to process the world around
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: us which is moving at right next speed I mean none of us can deny the news cycle over the last month
[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: has been so fast there's no way we could spend years processing especially even in politics
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: what all has happened in the last month we'll do that next hour with Richard Lim who will continue
[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: on with us but right now I want to talk about the Olympic opening ceremonies and all of the
[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: symbolism that was included it's been something in controversy and it's a factor fiction type moment
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't it guys because you know the imagery was very clear but the cleanup job afterwards by
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the Olympic committees and the opening ceremony planning committees and the artist responsible
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Thomas Jolie for the imagery you know all deny that it had any roots in religious symbolism or
[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: satinism but it's very or well-in is it not for us to see things with our own eyes here things
[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: with our own ears and be told that what we're seeing is not in fact what we're seeing and what we're
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: here is not what we're hearing and opposed we're calling it a post reality world where you can
[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: online and pretty much any narrative or version of truth or circumstances you want to find
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you can find and so I went that to be a little bit of our theme here but the last supper
[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: was displayed at the Olympics again Thomas Jolie the artist who who really put this all together said no it
[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't really meant to be the last supper that inspired the opening ceremony scene
[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: it was a different inspiration of painting the dionesis the Greek god of wine and pleasure
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: who if you have not seen it was drag queens scantily clad really inappropriate very shocking imagery
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: especially for me a family run opening ceremony you know the whole world is watching it made quite
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: a statement to have scantily clad men dressed as women drag queens one is wearing you know in
[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the depiction of saints in the Catholic church they kind of have a round light behind their head
[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: with like a visual of a son or or raise um one someone is wearing a hat that it looks like that
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and it very clearly looks like a very sacrilegious disrespectful version of the last supper
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but he says instead it wasn't that it was from Da Vinci's famous painting to you know show up a pagan feast
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and if it had just been this guy's I mean you could maybe have gone away with it what are your thoughts
[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: were you were you shocked as I was to see the display that we saw at those opening ceremonies
[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess I got it good I can go for as you can go for as a matter of sure we both have a lot to say so go ahead
[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: oh no I guess Josh may have something a lot more saintly to say because I mean my first
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: thought was and I should put on assets to the screen what I'm looking at here and I mean I'm
[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: really thinking I could have like who knows what technology can do so I was like is is AI what is going on
[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: is it transmitting drugs to me or something I could have really believed what I was seeing
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: at such a prestigious global event and I mean by the end of that I mean it's also made
[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: different things I think wanted to take my eyes out of the cinnamon and glass of cinnamon
[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's my initiative but what really bothered me was in disturbing was that they included children
[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: in this graphic scenery a child was there in drag next to a man who's dinner was worth vote
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm thinking I mean you people just do not the evil that you're doing especially the children
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so I mean that that was my initial take up to with Joshua so far we're going to have something a lot more
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_06]: nice to say that on the contrary of no so for me one of the things that that I recognize is that I saw
[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of Christians trying to defend it saying oh it's not the last supper it's dinases it's this
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_06]: bad and even if it was the last supper it's just a painting by Leonardo Vinci it's not the real last
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: supper but none of that all of that really frustrated me to see Christians try to defend this
[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_06]: or the for the the biggest reason being of course because they are drag queens and this is
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_06]: obviously sinful not something that Christ can't save you from but as a Christian the major
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_06]: message of your entire life should be the gospel the gospel is we are sinners but Christ can save us
[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_06]: if by faith we repent and so if we are going to say drag queens are fine they're not a problem
[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_06]: what we're really doing is denying the gospel that says you are in for the wrath of God unless you
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_06]: repent and we're saying this thing is not something that people need to repent of and so as Christians
[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_06]: we should never look at sinful behavior and say it's not that bad because it is and that's what the
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_06]: gospel's all about it's bringing people to repent and so the that's an issue obviously our culture
[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_06]: is incredibly depraved because we can we can watch children as as Patrines just said
[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_06]: on stage next to these men dressed as women who are all sexually perverted and on live television
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_06]: for other children to see and then we rush to the defense of these people Christian people do
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_06]: what is wrong with us as a church if we're going to rush to their defense now whether or not
[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_06]: it was whether or not it was dying nice this or the last supper does it really matter to me because
[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you know it looked it's they're both evil they're both enough fence to God celebrating dying
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_06]: nice is even a fence to God and celebrating the last supper with drag queens isn't a fence to God
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't really care which one it is but as Christians we should we should be disgusted we should
[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: recognize that it's a it's an alert as to the state of the world that we live in we should
[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_06]: we should also recognize I mean just on the side that art is dead there's no such thing as art
[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: you can go to Paris for the Olympics and the best thing they have for art is this awful nasty
[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: ugly stuff but yeah but on the deeper level as Christians we should never you see and trying
[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_06]: to defend something like this if there's no way that you look at this work which's not an
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: offense to our Lord Jesus Christ and our life should be for him not for us your your absolutely right
[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know I wanted to emphasize this because almost for the broader point that stood out to me because
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: this is not the only imagery that was anti-Christian and offensive and of course what you guys
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_00]: perverted as you guys have mentioned placing children's arms way which is the priority discussion
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but there were there were other imagery that that has to be discussed there was the white
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: coursemen which in the apocalypse is one of the horsemen for death there was imagery of that
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a golden calf the the head of a golden calf on display you know snoop dog could be
[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: seen wearing the goat image for Satan and part of the occult so the occult was ever present throughout
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the ceremonies it was not just this one and taken in mass I want us to understand
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the darkness of the world we're living in its believers if I can't say that to us as believers we
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: have got to be in a season of preparation right now the fact that this was the opening ceremonies
[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: the world is telling us who they are there is a lot of rise in the occult you can't hardly see
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: a concert without depiction the flames and Satanists and how like you've got demons dancing on stage
[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Madonna's concert I mean that's been the tell us all this time but it's so pervasive now and
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: it's so open it's on ABC now and we just have to have our eyes wide open and I want to encourage us
[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: as believers Elon Musk was frustrating said Christianity has no teeth and that's the point
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Christianity is gospel and for us to say we need to be in a season of preparation as the church
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: for what is to come in a darkening world the Bible tells us that this will get darker this
[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: will get worse we're going to see a rise in witchcraft which we're already seeing before our
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: very eyes but not to be afraid the spirit of God is in us as his people we are his chosen people
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the light will overcome the darkness and we don't have to be afraid we have authority
[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but we need to walk in the spiritual realm we need to understand the spiritual battles at play
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and understand there are souls to be saved and we're seeing that we're going to talk a little bit
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: more about that in the next hour over a million converts from Islam to Christianity we're seeing
[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: the spirit on the move but we're also seeing darkness on the move that's why I wanted to highlight
[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: this article today just to make sure that we're all aware but we are called to be salt
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: to to the earth in our own communities and we can do that most by serving our communities
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and loving our neighbors as ourselves those are things that really help us stand out as Christians
[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and as believers in a world that is increasingly dark so I didn't want to end on too heavy
[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: of a note but it's the reality that we're facing so don't go anywhere we'll be back just a little bit
[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: of you the millennial roundtable we are turning our discussion now to talk about a New York
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: times article that caught our attention because it discussed really openly and um
[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: flagrantly something that's usually been whispered about I'm used to them whispering about this idea
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that immigration policies are used to reshape the electorate um that's not something that you
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: typically hear you know anyone really say out loud even if that is part of the plan except for
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: people who are calling obvious attention to the possibility of that but the New York times openly
[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: praise the democrats immigration policies for reshaping the electorate that is the title of
[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the article you can of course read it on pointofu.net so Josh I want to start with you you know
[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: this piece was published on monday and it talked about how eager new citizens are to vote
[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: in the upcoming election um that it's going to put pivotal election because so many have been
[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: naturalized and when you clear out the roll-a-decks of really when they talk about being
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: naturalized what that means is citizens who immigrate here and then become citizens um actually
[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_00]: immigrants who go through the process or maybe are affirmed through the the asylum process
[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: or asylum seekers and they're allowed to vote when they get naturalized and that has been a
[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: priority for the last four years of the administration to have everybody who is waiting um you know
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: thousands and thousands of immigrants who are waiting in the decks to be you know made official
[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: citizens in america they cleared they're clearing those roll-a-decks they said they got rid of a
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: a bottle neck that had 300,000 prospective citizens being allowed to naturalize since 2020
[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_06]: that's a pretty high number isn't it Josh yeah you know it seems it sounds unlikely to me
[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_06]: just just um because of the anecdotal stuff that I personally experienced as a pastor I have
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_06]: several members of our church who um who are experiencing trying to get friends and family
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: here and and have been so for for many many years and not not for infant actually family members
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's a very very very difficult but if that's if that's taking place I see that as
[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I see that as a as a probably a positive thing um what i'm what i'm concerned about as a
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Christian and as an american are the illegal immigrants and not so concerned about those who are
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: waiting in line and trying to come here legally and i would venture to guess and i don't i don't
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_06]: think anyone that i've not read i'm sure there are polls about this i haven't read a poll about this
[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: but i would venture to guess that the majority of those coming um as legal citizens are probably
[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_06]: very pro-trump because he is against those who are coming illegally and here they have been
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_06]: waiting in line for years and years and years trying to do it right well i went out to just
[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06]: been kind of her way right over the border probably a little bit her against those people at least
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_06]: the ones that i know are um so i think this is probably up a political positive for for the for the
[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_06]: right but well i i have more to say about general integration but this one in particular i'm
[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not as negative about i like your point because nuance is important and we can't just paint
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: with the broad brush strokes about immigration you know the borders of course have crisis but this
[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't necessarily that category of immigration that you're leading to it's people who are
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: lawfully coming to our country seeking citizenship um florida was mentioned in this article specifically
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that the largest number of immigrants who qualify for citizenship um reside in florida where there
[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: are one million more republicans registered than democrats and i i think when i see a piece like
[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: this think that it is the new your time being deeply out of touch with average american citizens i
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: mean these are the new your times who use the word latinics um instead of his fanac or you know they
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: allowed no nuance between populations but in the state of Texas where i reside though we have
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: counties slipping from blue to red for the first time in over a hundred years over this immigration
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: idea so this idea that all immigrants are just going to vote blue and they said you know we have
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: 700,000 illegal immigrants currently residing in florida and if we can make them legal you know that's
[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna be great for the electorate um i think that's really out of touch with patrini what did you
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: think when you saw it yeah a little bit of a different take um i think is definitely happening so
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: i'm glad that the new your time for the acknowledging that is happening i just hear and america
[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but is happening in other countries as well has happening in irlin um most recently posted about
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: this summer and just the massive tank camps that are happening there and there is an anonymous
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: buy-in state department official who went on record saying that yeah it's real there is a great
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: placement happening and it is that they want a demographic change and this was reported by
[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: my project veritar so it is happening but the question we have to ask is why and on the surface
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the answer is voter replacement it's democratic party a more liberal um leaders want a more
[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: liberal popular it was like okay you want more people who believe it's like you to vote in this
[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: country to overwhelm the rest okay but the thing we have to think about is is this just a voter
[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_03]: replacement or is this a value replacement and i don't even believe this is deeper than a voter
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: replacement this is a value set replacement one because when you bring people over who don't have
[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: a concept of a free speech the first amendment they're right to give them by God they don't speak
[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: your language i mean there's so many different ways of chaos you know that that can happen with this
[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but number two you get people here who don't assimilate and we don't force them to assimilate
[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and sometimes people think that that's a bad word but it's not when you have immigration taking
[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: place even with the people of Israel they have rules you had to worship their does
[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: you had to offer the sacrifices within that at a certain time and you basically assimilated into
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Israelite culture a worshiping God so that the same value set in the same God and that is what
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: allowed for peaceful assimilation and integration into their culture so yes the Bible is very
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: welcoming on immigration and having people who are foreigners coming to your country and to
[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: your culture but there is a process of assimilation because y'all still told the people is a
[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: visual don't intramarate people who don't have their values and don't serve their God so what i see
[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: happening is a swap of values we have people who don't believe in God people who don't believe
[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: their rights come from God they believe their rights come from the government which means you have
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: what people who will be more lucky to comply with the state and this is what creates the
[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: end times you had people who are complying with the state that people who are fighting the state
[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and fighting for their rights from God so i'll just leave it at that well side of the tree you know
[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think in terms of really two layers the lawyer and me says you know this new time is talking
[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: about the federal level you know this electorate but through the federal immigration law hasn't
[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: really changed successfully by congress that much so that's where this bottleneck is but it's
[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the state level issuing for instance we'll talk about this next hour but vice president walls who
[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: issues licenses and allow that the state level immigrants to vote in their state election who have not
[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: formally you know been accepted as citizens are gone through the steps that you're talking about
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you know these are illegal immigrants being allowed to vote and that's where the chaos resides so
[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_00]: i think New York times are trying to probably you know do this push back but at the end of the day
[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: we have a lot of work to do we're going to be talking more about politics in the next hour
[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but trena tell our listeners about your work where they can follow follow you and your incredible work
[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: yes if you're a bold enough you can find me on x one the little twitter
[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: upon which is my as much as the best cool people think it is you can have the stream up he mostly
[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: there i'll be crazy for so being there but i'm there and you can find me on my website
[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_00]: at patrinap mostly dot com well thank you so much for being with us patrina it's funny you said
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that about twitter because i keep getting on mic you she McHolish wants me to get on twitter and i'm
[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: nervous to do it i'm sorry appreciate you again but we do need more voices like yours out there
[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in this world we've got a continued of voice are our not just our opinions but truth and
[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the gospel we did so so graciously so thanks for joining us you guys Josh is going to stay
[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: on with us next hour where we're talking about politics also joining us will be Richard and Lim
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: so don't go anywhere we've got a full hour ahead for you after this break in 19th century London
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: two towering historical figures did battle not with guns and bombs but words and ideas
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[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Spurgeon London was in many ways the center of the world economically militarily and intellectually
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