Point of View April 23, 2024 : Demographic Winter, The Kindness of God

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[00:00:18] And now, Kirby Anderson.

[00:00:20] Thank you for joining me. It is the Tuesday edition of Point of View

[00:00:23] and as you might imagine we're going to spend a little bit of time

[00:00:25] talking about what's happening on college campuses

[00:00:28] in their various pro-Hamos rallies.

[00:00:31] I'll focus a lot of our time and attention on Columbia University

[00:00:34] simply because that's the one that primarily is in the news,

[00:00:38] though it is not exclusive for that as well

[00:00:41] but I do want to focus some time and attention on that.

[00:00:44] A little bit later this hour we're going to be talking with Don Federer.

[00:00:47] It's been many years since we've had him on.

[00:00:49] We're going to be talking about the coming demographic winter

[00:00:52] and the impact that that is happening not only in this country

[00:00:55] but also in other countries around the world.

[00:00:58] Next arrow, Nate Pickowitz will be with us.

[00:01:01] We'll talk about his book, The Kindness of God

[00:01:03] and then we'll get back into some of the other topics in the news

[00:01:06] of which there are many.

[00:01:08] Supreme Court case that was considered yesterday,

[00:01:11] some other very important topics that need to be addressed as well.

[00:01:14] So we'll do our best to try to cover as much as we can.

[00:01:17] But certainly maybe I'll start with the first article

[00:01:21] which has the rather obvious title Put Down the Protests

[00:01:25] and the editors here said things reached a breaking point

[00:01:29] at Columbia University's campus late last week.

[00:01:33] The implicitly anti-semitic protest that has disrupted college campuses

[00:01:38] really since the October 7th massacre have evolved

[00:01:42] and I use that word advisedly into something more explicit

[00:01:47] and finally some of the administrators at Columbia had enough

[00:01:51] although there are calls for the president to resign.

[00:01:54] We'll get to that a little bit later.

[00:01:56] And the pushback from Columbia University

[00:01:58] have farantly caught many of the demonstrators off guard

[00:02:02] because they were planning to really occupy those positions

[00:02:07] on the Ivy League campus for some time

[00:02:10] but New York City police entered the premises, rolled back

[00:02:14] some of the makeshift tent city

[00:02:17] but they simply decided that they would move to a different location.

[00:02:22] And by the way, if you wonder know where those tents came from?

[00:02:25] REI.

[00:02:27] Yeah, that's right.

[00:02:28] I love this little line here that comes from a Twitter post.

[00:02:31] Hey, yes, REI, I'd like to order 400 Coleman Skydome 2-person tents.

[00:02:35] Yes, I'll charge it to the grassroots

[00:02:37] totally spontaneous movement to liberate Palestine in Qatar.

[00:02:41] Anyway, it's just no surprise about that either

[00:02:44] but let's go on.

[00:02:45] The school's lackadaisical approach created a permission structure

[00:02:49] to menace and arrest Jewish students

[00:02:52] and if you want some examples of that

[00:02:54] there unfortunately are quite a few.

[00:02:57] I shared yesterday about the one student at Yale

[00:03:01] who had the flagpole shoved into his eye.

[00:03:04] Here's another one from a Jewish student in Columbia.

[00:03:08] I think is where this one is.

[00:03:10] We were verbally harassed and my friends were physically assaulted.

[00:03:13] They yelled at us to go back to Poland that we have no culture

[00:03:17] and then strike, strike, Tel Aviv, go Hamas, we love you,

[00:03:21] we support your rockets too.

[00:03:23] These are not the kind of things you would expect

[00:03:26] from hopefully somewhat tolerant college students

[00:03:30] and as I mentioned the Hamas demonstrators

[00:03:33] quickly reconstituted their encampment

[00:03:36] and Columbia's public spaces on Sunday.

[00:03:39] In a sense, daring administrators and law enforcement

[00:03:42] to try to rouse them again.

[00:03:45] And we'll see where this takes us.

[00:03:47] New York City Mayor Eric Adams had made it clear

[00:03:50] he's eager to act if Columbia requests the police again.

[00:03:53] We will see where that takes us.

[00:03:55] And of course the argument in this first article

[00:03:57] is it's time to end this kind of harassment.

[00:04:01] These are acts of trespass and disorder

[00:04:05] Yale did the same thing when police cleared out

[00:04:08] their encampment just yesterday.

[00:04:10] Columbia needs to do the same

[00:04:12] and so there are some very important issues on the campus.

[00:04:15] Let's focus all my time on the campus.

[00:04:18] Let me just at least mention that just the other day,

[00:04:21] we were talking about this on our Friday weekend edition,

[00:04:24] there were protesters that shut down

[00:04:27] the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco for hours.

[00:04:31] I mean for hours.

[00:04:33] There were protesters that have shut down

[00:04:36] parts of O'Hare International Airport in Chicago.

[00:04:39] There have been protesters that have blocked IRS offices

[00:04:43] and burned American flags in New York City.

[00:04:46] There are other protesters that have blocked streets

[00:04:49] in Philadelphia, other major intersections.

[00:04:51] So this is not just a campus only event

[00:04:54] but it does seem to me that there are some things

[00:04:57] you can do on a campus.

[00:04:59] I grew up in California and at that time

[00:05:01] when there were major protests on the UC Berkeley campus

[00:05:05] which in some cases might have even been justifiable

[00:05:09] because they were protesting the war in Vietnam.

[00:05:12] This is a little different as I'm going to get into in just a minute.

[00:05:15] That's when the governor, Ronald Reagan said

[00:05:18] I'm going to bring in the National Guard if we have to

[00:05:21] to clear out this before it gets any more dangerous

[00:05:24] or out of hand.

[00:05:26] And the difference I think is illustrated by my second article

[00:05:29] by Brendan O'Neill in which he says perhaps

[00:05:32] and he says hands down the worst take

[00:05:35] on the Gaza Solidarity Encampment

[00:05:38] which is the one at Columbia University

[00:05:41] was that well students have always occupied buildings

[00:05:45] and quads to make a political point.

[00:05:48] Okay, there's a real difference between protesting a war

[00:05:52] in Vietnam and again if you had arguments

[00:05:58] against the Vietnam War maybe that's justifiable

[00:06:01] versus promoting just a rank level of anti-Semitism.

[00:06:06] I've begun to say that this booklet I'm holding up right now

[00:06:09] which we still make available to you

[00:06:11] which was a revision of my earlier book on anti-Semitism

[00:06:15] probably needs to be updated again.

[00:06:17] This one came out in 2023 after of course

[00:06:20] the attack of Israel in October 7th

[00:06:23] but when we see what is unfolding now

[00:06:27] not just on the campuses but nationwide

[00:06:30] we can see that there is a level of anti-Semitism

[00:06:33] that's really quite shocking.

[00:06:35] But anyway Brendan O'Neill goes on to say

[00:06:38] the naivete of this take is unforgivable at this point

[00:06:41] to liken Columbia's strange seething pro-Palestine camp

[00:06:47] to earlier campus uprisings against militarism

[00:06:50] is to gloss over what is new here.

[00:06:53] It is to whitewash the profoundly unsettling nature

[00:06:57] of the rage of the privilege against the world's only Jewish nation

[00:07:02] until someone can point me to instances

[00:07:05] of those 60 anti-war kids hurling racist invective

[00:07:09] at minority students and demanding the wholesale destruction

[00:07:13] of a small state overseas

[00:07:15] I'll be giving the Gaza camp commentary a wide berth.

[00:07:19] The camp looks and sounds like student politics as normal

[00:07:24] with juvenile bluster, megaphone, virtue

[00:07:27] and the occasional appearance of university officials

[00:07:30] warning them but scratch the radical surface

[00:07:33] and you'll swiftly find an ugly underbelly

[00:07:36] of reactionary cries even outright racism

[00:07:40] no sooner had the students erected their tent city for Palestine

[00:07:43] last Wednesday than it became a magnet

[00:07:46] for genocidal dreaming about the erasure of Israel

[00:07:50] and plain obigetry against Jews

[00:07:54] some of the things you heard

[00:07:56] we don't want no two states, we want all of it

[00:07:59] we don't need to be an expert in Middle East

[00:08:02] he says to understand what this is

[00:08:05] the sick call to seize the entirety of Israel

[00:08:08] all of it and create a new state

[00:08:10] more in keeping with the yearnings

[00:08:12] of some of the privileged westerners

[00:08:14] this again, we don't want no two states

[00:08:17] we want 48

[00:08:19] unless you understand that, that's 1948

[00:08:22] a time when the modern state of Israel

[00:08:25] didn't yet exist

[00:08:27] and so they want a world without Israel

[00:08:30] they don't want a world where Jews have a homeland

[00:08:33] anyway let's take a break because there's a lot more here

[00:08:36] because what could be done

[00:08:38] what should be done, how can it be addressed

[00:08:41] and where does it lead next?

[00:08:43] we'll talk about that right after this

[00:08:58] this is Viewpoints with Kirby Anderson

[00:09:02] over the last few months

[00:09:04] the word unsustainable has been frequently used

[00:09:07] the GAO proclaimed the federal government

[00:09:09] is on an unsustainable long term fiscal path

[00:09:12] that poses serious economic national security

[00:09:15] and social challenges if not addressed

[00:09:17] the chairman of the Federal Reserve

[00:09:19] said in his 60 minutes interview

[00:09:21] the US federal government is on an unsustainable

[00:09:23] fiscal path and that just means

[00:09:25] that the debt is growing faster than the economy

[00:09:27] so it is unsustainable

[00:09:29] the country burdened with more than 34 trillion dollars

[00:09:32] in national debt should be having a serious conversation

[00:09:35] about how to turn around the economy

[00:09:37] but don't expect any serious discussion

[00:09:39] for most candidates this election season

[00:09:42] fortunately Scott Powell makes a convincing case

[00:09:44] for the need for radical economic change

[00:09:47] the current US debt to GDP ratio now exceeds 122%

[00:09:51] as I've mentioned in previous commentaries

[00:09:53] that puts us in the danger zone

[00:09:55] he is realistic enough to show that we need

[00:09:57] both spending reductions

[00:09:59] as well as new sources of revenue

[00:10:01] cutting spending is politically difficult

[00:10:03] but also constitutionally difficult

[00:10:05] since two thirds of the federal budget

[00:10:07] is mandatory spending

[00:10:09] but something must be done to reduce

[00:10:11] the size of the federal government

[00:10:13] the other way to balance a budget

[00:10:15] is to get more sources of income

[00:10:17] he points to the country's massive oil and gas reserves

[00:10:19] the US is number one among nations

[00:10:21] in both natural gas and oil reserves

[00:10:23] and he also argues that another way

[00:10:25] to pay down the national debt

[00:10:27] is for the federal government to sell half

[00:10:29] of its 640 million acres of public land

[00:10:31] these ideas may seem radical

[00:10:33] but we need to ask candidates running for office this year

[00:10:36] whether they have a better solution

[00:10:38] I doubt they do

[00:10:40] I'm Kirby Anderson and that's my point of view

[00:11:03] back once again let's we can talk a little bit more about what's happening on campus and nationwide

[00:11:09] it is something to pay attention to

[00:11:11] as we've said before

[00:11:13] if you want to understand what the United States

[00:11:15] will look like in the future

[00:11:17] if we don't change some things

[00:11:19] look to Europe

[00:11:21] and right now as we've mentioned on this program before

[00:11:23] and we certainly have talked about it when Leith and Watts has been in studio

[00:11:26] you have a situation where

[00:11:28] various MPs

[00:11:30] ministers of members of parliament

[00:11:32] have said they're no longer going to run for reelection

[00:11:35] one individual as Jewish and says

[00:11:38] I'm just being threatened so often at my home

[00:11:41] and my kids are threatened

[00:11:43] I don't want to be there

[00:11:45] there are others who are recognizing that some of the radical demands

[00:11:49] have changed their country

[00:11:51] maybe for good

[00:11:53] we've talked in the past a course about what has been happening in French

[00:11:56] you have certain areas called no-go situations

[00:11:59] in which the police don't even go into the area

[00:12:02] because it's ruled pretty much by Muslim radicals

[00:12:05] and again I'm not saying that all Muslims are radical

[00:12:09] I think by definition the fact that we use that adjective

[00:12:12] illustrates there is a difference

[00:12:14] and it is a very significant difference

[00:12:17] my wife and I walk every day

[00:12:19] and we have all sorts of individuals in our neighborhood

[00:12:22] that are Muslim or peace-loving

[00:12:24] and have made a great contribution to this country

[00:12:26] so let's end that argument

[00:12:29] but there is a more important argument

[00:12:31] that indeed sometimes when the radicals have a voice

[00:12:35] there is a tendency for others who don't want to create a sturer

[00:12:39] including even peace-loving Americans

[00:12:43] Christians, Muslims and others

[00:12:46] they tend to sometimes let that go on

[00:12:49] lest you again wonder about some of the various chants

[00:12:54] I've got a few of them here

[00:12:56] burn Tel Aviv to the ground

[00:12:59] go Hamas we love you

[00:13:02] we had a couple of others here

[00:13:04] saying that this should be the next Al-Qasem's next target

[00:13:09] these are the Al-Qasem brigades

[00:13:11] which is the military wing of Hamas

[00:13:14] you have Plackard's area was pointed at Jewish students

[00:13:20] waving the Israeli flag

[00:13:22] and there are all sorts of other kind of comments

[00:13:25] that you would not have expected on a college campus

[00:13:29] and so lest you think well

[00:13:31] we just need to educate these people

[00:13:33] recognize that one of the most educated countries in Europe

[00:13:38] was Germany

[00:13:39] and then we had Nazi Germany

[00:13:42] so let's recognize that there is a need for education

[00:13:46] that's why we have booklets on

[00:13:48] I'll hold up this one again on anti-Semitism

[00:13:51] and I'll have a look at it on Israel and all the rest

[00:13:54] but there is much more that needs to be done

[00:13:57] let me also say that there are many very good books

[00:14:01] on this issue if you wanted to maybe read about this

[00:14:05] maybe teach a Sunday school class

[00:14:07] because I'm going to

[00:14:08] on the subject of anti-Semitism

[00:14:10] one of the books I recommend

[00:14:11] I'm holding up right now is by Barry Wise

[00:14:13] who is a liberal

[00:14:14] who for many years was the writer

[00:14:17] and editor of the New York Times

[00:14:19] who is also Jewish

[00:14:21] and if you look through her book

[00:14:23] she has a whole section here on how to fight anti-Semitism

[00:14:26] she has kind of a history of anti-Semitism

[00:14:30] she has a chapter devoted to the issue of the right

[00:14:35] which ends up now being a little bit of a shorter chapter

[00:14:38] if you think about this

[00:14:40] if we know the reason then the fact that yes

[00:14:42] we had Charlottesville

[00:14:44] but again let me just add very quickly

[00:14:47] that that myth that has been spread

[00:14:49] by the president of the United States

[00:14:51] Joe Biden

[00:14:53] that Donald Trump was saying

[00:14:55] there are fine people on both sides

[00:14:57] he was talking about not those anti-Jewish individuals

[00:15:03] not those who were the neo-Nazis

[00:15:05] or the proud boys

[00:15:06] he was talking about others

[00:15:07] who might not have wanted to take down

[00:15:09] a civil war monument

[00:15:12] or something of that nature

[00:15:14] and lest you think I'm making that up

[00:15:16] I looked it up today just to see

[00:15:18] yes you've got fact checks in USA Today

[00:15:20] Politico fact

[00:15:22] politicalchoice.com

[00:15:24] PragerU, Associated Press

[00:15:26] all sorts of people that have corrected it

[00:15:28] but she does have a chapter on the right

[00:15:30] I suspect if she wanted to do the book again

[00:15:32] that whole chapter on the left

[00:15:34] would be much, much larger and longer

[00:15:37] because that's where most of this is coming from

[00:15:40] and so that is one book

[00:15:42] another one I'll hold up

[00:15:44] one by our friend Alan Dershowitz

[00:15:46] been on the program with us

[00:15:48] War Against the Jews

[00:15:49] How to End Hamas Barbarism

[00:15:51] I don't have that one listed in the bibliography

[00:15:54] of my booklet

[00:15:55] simply because the book just came out this year

[00:15:57] but it's maybe something we can talk about

[00:16:00] in the future

[00:16:01] so anti-Semitism as an issue

[00:16:04] and lest you think

[00:16:06] that there has been

[00:16:09] a good and solid and consistent response

[00:16:13] from Columbia University

[00:16:15] let me bring this little fact to the table

[00:16:17] and that is a professor

[00:16:19] who is at Columbia University

[00:16:21] who is Jewish

[00:16:23] has had his keycard deactivated

[00:16:26] now the argument was

[00:16:28] because he was critical of how the university

[00:16:31] was not responding to the anti-Israel protest

[00:16:35] that I think is why they deactivated his card

[00:16:38] but the public explanation was

[00:16:41] they just did not want to allow him on campus

[00:16:43] because of his own safety

[00:16:45] so you can see where that kind of takes you as well

[00:16:49] and of course this is a good example

[00:16:51] of the university blaming the victim

[00:16:53] and punishing the victim

[00:16:55] because of what the bullies are doing

[00:16:57] we've talked about how that has been used

[00:16:59] sometimes to shut down debate

[00:17:01] I'm going to threaten if I'm antifa

[00:17:03] any conservative speaker on campus

[00:17:05] and so the campus say

[00:17:06] well we just can't risk having you on campus

[00:17:08] and so it's sort of the heckler's veto

[00:17:11] in steroids

[00:17:13] but nevertheless this is where we find ourselves

[00:17:16] and again this particular article

[00:17:18] reminds us that at the same time

[00:17:21] we had of course President Biden said

[00:17:24] one of the reasons he wanted to run

[00:17:26] is because he was so outraged

[00:17:28] by what was happening in Charlottesville

[00:17:30] some of these individuals carrying

[00:17:32] tiki choice torches

[00:17:34] and chanting Jews will not replace us

[00:17:37] which I'm glad he condemned

[00:17:39] and so by the way did Donald Trump

[00:17:41] although that doesn't get as much coverage

[00:17:43] but now he is making very few statements

[00:17:47] and this article makes it very clear

[00:17:49] he's afraid of losing the state of Michigan

[00:17:52] because of the sentiments

[00:17:54] of Arab Americans and Muslim Americans

[00:17:57] in that particular state

[00:17:59] and so that's where we find ourselves right now

[00:18:02] lest you wonder where these protests are coming from

[00:18:05] this article which I might post tomorrow

[00:18:07] and get into in more detail

[00:18:09] says that at Columbia University

[00:18:11] demonstrators chanted support for terrorist organizations

[00:18:14] burning the American flag

[00:18:16] and waving Hezbollah's flag

[00:18:18] and calling for Hamas's Al-Qasim Brigades

[00:18:21] to attack and taunted Jewish students

[00:18:24] never forget the 7th of October

[00:18:26] that will happen 10,000 times more

[00:18:29] and of course they are going into

[00:18:32] all the other kinds of protests

[00:18:35] one during an Easter vigil

[00:18:37] at St. Patrick's Cathedral

[00:18:39] and furling a banner shouting free Palestine

[00:18:42] the election re-election fundraiser

[00:18:45] for President Biden which had

[00:18:47] both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton

[00:18:49] in which they were shouting in the auditorium

[00:18:52] down with USA

[00:18:54] Al-Qasim is on its way

[00:18:56] of course that's the Hamas military reference

[00:18:59] but again this one even reminds us

[00:19:01] that when it came time for the press to cover it

[00:19:04] they didn't talk about the physical attacks

[00:19:06] outside of that event

[00:19:08] they didn't talk about the flags

[00:19:10] the posters of designated terrorist organizations

[00:19:13] like Hamas, Hezbollah, the popular front

[00:19:16] for the liberation of Palestine and all the rest

[00:19:19] but nevertheless that is the case

[00:19:21] so we do see some pushback

[00:19:23] I've mentioned of course what has happened

[00:19:25] at Columbia although maybe that's

[00:19:27] too little too late

[00:19:29] but Cal Thomas and Millie might post this the next day or two

[00:19:32] talks about that at Google

[00:19:34] they've even fired 28 employees

[00:19:37] from its New York office

[00:19:39] and its Sunnyvale California office

[00:19:41] for protesting the company's cloud computing contract

[00:19:45] with Israel

[00:19:47] the reason given by the company's vice president

[00:19:50] for global security was that

[00:19:52] they were getting rid of the employees

[00:19:54] who had taken over office space

[00:19:56] to face our property

[00:19:58] physically impeded the work of other people at Google

[00:20:01] which of course violate company policies

[00:20:04] and as a result you see some of the pushback there as well

[00:20:08] and if you go to Congress right now

[00:20:10] you can see that you have leading Democrats

[00:20:14] like Senator John Federman

[00:20:16] or on the Republican side

[00:20:18] Senator Tim Scott

[00:20:20] who are calling for the president

[00:20:22] of Columbia University to step down

[00:20:25] you have quite a number of others

[00:20:27] Jim Banks, Mark Allford, Anthony Esposito

[00:20:31] the list is getting longer and longer

[00:20:33] of individuals in Congress

[00:20:35] who are simply saying that indeed

[00:20:38] it is time for the president

[00:20:40] of Columbia University to step down

[00:20:43] and another article I might post again tomorrow

[00:20:46] is one in which he's saying

[00:20:48] you know it began in Columbia

[00:20:50] but it might end in Chicago

[00:20:52] the reason he says that is

[00:20:54] the Democratic National Convention this year

[00:20:57] is in Chicago

[00:20:59] and for those of us a little bit older

[00:21:01] we remember the riots

[00:21:03] in the streets of Chicago in 1968

[00:21:07] and those were of course having to do

[00:21:09] with race and Vietnam War

[00:21:11] and a number of other things

[00:21:13] but the riots this time in Chicago

[00:21:15] might be the pro-Hamas demonstrators

[00:21:18] which certainly seem to be on the ascendancy

[00:21:22] so these are the kinds of things

[00:21:24] we'll be talking about on point of view for some time

[00:21:26] but let's take a break and change topics

[00:21:28] and we'll be back right after this

[00:21:48] I don't know about you but I find these numbers

[00:21:53] extremely troubling

[00:21:55] it really is a crisis of truth

[00:21:57] and that crisis has consequences

[00:21:59] look at society

[00:22:01] evil is called good, good called evil

[00:22:03] people with biblical beliefs are called bigots

[00:22:06] or worse they're canceled

[00:22:08] but there is hope

[00:22:10] the Bible promises the truth will set us free

[00:22:13] and that's why point of view is relentless

[00:22:15] in our commitment to the ultimate source

[00:22:17] of moral truth, God's word

[00:22:20] at point of view we know that God's truth is eternal

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[00:23:10] and now here again is Kirby Anderson

[00:23:14] one of the topics we've covered

[00:23:16] from time to time here on the program

[00:23:18] is this idea of a demographic winter

[00:23:20] or a global birth-dirt

[00:23:23] however you want to look at this

[00:23:25] and this is a real concern

[00:23:27] and so I thought it would be good

[00:23:29] to bring back an individual

[00:23:31] spent on this program many times before

[00:23:33] but it's been quite a while

[00:23:35] and that is Don Federer who's a graduate

[00:23:37] of Boston University College of Liberal Arts

[00:23:39] and Boston University Law School

[00:23:41] probably best known as an individual

[00:23:43] who's a member of the Herald

[00:23:45] later after leaving the Herald

[00:23:47] he served as the World Congress

[00:23:49] of Families Communication Director

[00:23:51] and Coordinator of Regional Conferences

[00:23:53] it's also of course been a staff writer

[00:23:55] at the Washington Times

[00:23:57] an individual that has written about this topic

[00:23:59] and we have posted this particular article

[00:24:01] demographic winter is coming

[00:24:03] procreation needs a foundation in faith

[00:24:06] and we have posted on our website

[00:24:08] at pointofview.net

[00:24:10] and so Don welcome back to pointofview

[00:24:12] Kirby, thank you for having me.

[00:24:14] You start with a resting metaphor

[00:24:17] imagine you're at the side of a railroad track

[00:24:19] and you see a train barreling down one way

[00:24:22] and the brakes aren't working

[00:24:24] and it's headed towards a collision

[00:24:26] with another train coming in the opposite direction

[00:24:29] and he says, what do you do?

[00:24:31] We're headed for a train wreck

[00:24:33] and you argue that we're headed

[00:24:35] for a demographic train wreck

[00:24:38] and that is that the birth rates

[00:24:41] dropped precipitously all over the world

[00:24:44] and that is why you are writing about that

[00:24:47] and it's certainly something of great concern isn't it?

[00:24:50] It should be

[00:24:52] I think everyone should be concerned about this Kirby

[00:24:55] you know the analogy that I use

[00:24:58] the trains coming at each other

[00:25:00] from opposite directions

[00:25:02] on one train you have fewer and fewer people

[00:25:05] being born

[00:25:07] on the other train you have more and more elderly

[00:25:10] well you know as the song used to go

[00:25:13] something's got to give

[00:25:18] but it's I think

[00:25:21] this is going to be the

[00:25:24] the issue that has to be confronted

[00:25:28] the problem that has to be solved

[00:25:31] in this century

[00:25:33] if it isn't

[00:25:35] well you know Elon Musk

[00:25:37] said if people don't start having more children

[00:25:41] civilization is going to crumble

[00:25:44] he wasn't exaggerating

[00:25:46] you know one of the essays I wrote a while back

[00:25:49] was I was talking about this very popular

[00:25:52] South Korean boy band

[00:25:54] and because they're so popular

[00:25:56] they were traveling around

[00:25:58] and so they wanted to get draft exemptions

[00:26:01] and you can't think of a better PR

[00:26:04] opportunity for South Korea

[00:26:06] because they were not just

[00:26:08] the boys boy band traveling around

[00:26:10] but they were denied the draft exemptions

[00:26:13] simply because

[00:26:16] they just didn't have enough boys to serve in the military

[00:26:19] so something that would have been just a

[00:26:22] great revenue generator for them

[00:26:24] and ultimately for South Korea

[00:26:26] had to really be set aside because

[00:26:28] as you point out early on

[00:26:30] we are dealing with

[00:26:32] and we're not just talking about South Korea

[00:26:34] where we used to actually expect that there would be

[00:26:37] if anything

[00:26:39] a very robust birth rate

[00:26:41] but that is just not happening anywhere around the world is it?

[00:26:46] The only place where you do have

[00:26:48] consistently above replacement fertility

[00:26:51] is sub-Saharan Africa

[00:26:54] but not in the rest of the world

[00:26:56] and of course Asia was once known for its

[00:27:00] very high birth rate

[00:27:02] and today it's leading the world into demographic winter

[00:27:06] South Korea has the world's lowest fertility

[00:27:10] 1.78

[00:27:12] The average woman has to have

[00:27:15] roughly 2.1 children in her lifetime

[00:27:18] to replace current population

[00:27:21] in South Korea the average woman

[00:27:23] has fewer than one child

[00:27:26] You know we used to worry about

[00:27:28] North Korea invading South Korea

[00:27:31] they don't have to

[00:27:33] wait a few years and just walk in and take it over

[00:27:36] It's incredible

[00:27:38] and again we're talking about

[00:27:40] obviously decreased fertility

[00:27:42] which is due to everything from

[00:27:44] of course contraception

[00:27:46] legalized abortion

[00:27:48] even a down economy

[00:27:50] but I want to get to kind of the

[00:27:53] foundation in faith

[00:27:55] but before we do that let's talk about other attempts

[00:27:58] I've been over in Europe

[00:28:00] and for example even in Hungary

[00:28:02] where I speak on a pretty regular basis

[00:28:04] they've actually wanted to give a benefit

[00:28:07] a financial benefit to families that have children

[00:28:10] this worked a little bit

[00:28:12] but it's not exactly what many people had hoped for

[00:28:16] pain of various couples to have children

[00:28:20] might seem like a good idea

[00:28:22] but it hasn't worked out as well has it?

[00:28:25] No it hasn't and you know South Korea is doing that too by the way

[00:28:29] I think they pay something like 25, 20

[00:28:32] well the equivalent

[00:28:34] in dollars of 1,250

[00:28:39] for the first child over 2,000 dollars

[00:28:42] for the second and obviously

[00:28:44] you can see how well it's working in South Korea

[00:28:47] you know

[00:28:49] you can't use money to put into the heart

[00:28:52] what isn't there?

[00:28:54] Well it certainly can't

[00:28:56] and one other obvious thing

[00:28:58] I'm sure everybody's thinking this in the back of their mind

[00:29:01] when you're talking about those two trains

[00:29:03] one of the trains is full of elderly people

[00:29:05] and our entitlement programs

[00:29:07] Social Security Medicare

[00:29:09] are really based upon an assumption

[00:29:11] that the younger generation

[00:29:13] will provide the benefits for the older generation

[00:29:16] there's no account there for Don Federer

[00:29:19] Kirby Anderson or anybody else there

[00:29:21] it is a pay as you go system

[00:29:24] so first of all you have

[00:29:26] what could be a real collapse

[00:29:28] of these entitlement programs

[00:29:30] and second of all right now

[00:29:32] the assets like houses are rising

[00:29:34] but if the next generation doesn't have

[00:29:36] the financial resources

[00:29:38] or even the ability financially to buy those houses

[00:29:41] you see as you said

[00:29:43] a collapse on the horizon don't you?

[00:29:46] Yes absolutely

[00:29:50] you know

[00:29:52] you have a fewer number of workers

[00:29:55] an increasingly declining pool of workers

[00:29:59] who are asked to support

[00:30:02] as you said Kirby

[00:30:04] a growing number of elderly

[00:30:06] pay for their health care

[00:30:08] pay their pensions and so on

[00:30:10] taxes keep going up

[00:30:12] eventually there's a revolved

[00:30:14] and workers simply say no we're not going to do it

[00:30:17] we're not going to pay

[00:30:19] for some old geezer's pension

[00:30:22] and I say that as an old geezer myself

[00:30:25] now it's

[00:30:28] you know you can only ask people to contribute so much

[00:30:31] and by the way this is a reason

[00:30:33] why euthanasia is becoming more popular

[00:30:36] because I think governments

[00:30:39] are figuring out well if we can't

[00:30:42] get people to have more people

[00:30:45] maybe we can find a way to get rid of the elderly

[00:30:48] and of course euthanasia is one way

[00:30:50] Yes and that was another obvious implication

[00:30:52] talking with Don Federer by the way

[00:30:54] I would encourage you to get his article

[00:30:56] this actually came out in February

[00:30:58] but we have posted on your website

[00:31:00] and you can read through it

[00:31:02] and just other point before we talk about obvious solutions

[00:31:04] that maybe will work

[00:31:06] and that is even just in terms of international relations

[00:31:09] we've talked about entitlement programs

[00:31:12] and we've talked about of course the collapse of South Korea

[00:31:15] but even let's look at China

[00:31:18] one of our greatest adversaries

[00:31:20] really China is set as you said

[00:31:23] to lose 60% of its population

[00:31:26] by the end of this century

[00:31:29] and that goes all the way back to the one child policy

[00:31:32] in China doesn't it?

[00:31:34] Yes it does and it's ironic

[00:31:37] by the way China's total fertility rate

[00:31:40] is 1.16 which is very low

[00:31:43] and as you said

[00:31:45] they're expected to lose 60% of the population

[00:31:48] by the end of this century

[00:31:51] 30 years ago

[00:31:53] they were demanding that people

[00:31:55] only have one child

[00:31:57] and they said if you have more than one

[00:31:59] we're going to find ways to punish you

[00:32:02] you know we may come in and demolish your house

[00:32:05] today they're pleading with people

[00:32:08] to have as many children as possible

[00:32:11] and since China is a totalitarian state

[00:32:17] I predict the day may come

[00:32:19] when China starts forcing people

[00:32:22] to have more children

[00:32:24] That's amazing what a switch

[00:32:26] we're going to take a break and we'll come back

[00:32:28] I want to talk about the place of faith

[00:32:30] in all of this because some of you listening right now

[00:32:32] might say

[00:32:34] you've been talking from time to time

[00:32:36] about a demographic winter

[00:32:38] or about a global birth drift

[00:32:40] and those kinds of things

[00:32:42] sure doesn't look like that way

[00:32:44] in our church right now

[00:32:46] we just are breaking at the seams

[00:32:48] and everywhere I go

[00:32:50] I see families and large families

[00:32:52] but again part of the difference is

[00:32:55] that religious people

[00:32:57] especially Christian people

[00:32:59] but Jewish as well

[00:33:01] Muslims and Mormons and others

[00:33:03] but Christian people tend to have more children

[00:33:05] conservatives tend to have more children than liberals

[00:33:08] there's a fertility gap there as well

[00:33:11] and I think there is a solution

[00:33:13] it's not to pass more government policies

[00:33:16] or even provide economic incentives

[00:33:19] but it gets down to the other part of that

[00:33:22] and that is procreation needs a foundation in faith

[00:33:26] Don Federer talks about that as well

[00:33:28] so we'll come back and talk about how that

[00:33:31] is manifesting itself in some countries

[00:33:34] and in some demographic subgroups

[00:33:37] so we'll come back and talk about that right after this

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[00:34:02] continue our conversation today with Don Federer

[00:34:04] again the article is demographic winter is coming

[00:34:07] procreation needs a foundation in faith

[00:34:10] we'll talk about that

[00:34:11] let me also mention while I'm talking about books and resources

[00:34:14] we do have a link to the Routh Institute.org

[00:34:18] and you can click on there

[00:34:20] we also have a link to the international organization

[00:34:23] for the family called Profam.org

[00:34:26] so if you find yourself saying

[00:34:28] I'd like to know a little bit more about some of the key organizations

[00:34:31] there's some videos to watch

[00:34:33] there's some articles to read

[00:34:35] some books all sorts of other things that are available

[00:34:37] and we have all of that available at our website

[00:34:40] at PointofView.net

[00:34:42] Don if we can let's talk about the importance of faith

[00:34:45] as you say one thing that hasn't been tried is faith

[00:34:48] in part because governments discount the value of religion

[00:34:51] but if you look around the world

[00:34:53] or even look in your own communities

[00:34:55] morning my wife and I were walking she was talking about a friend

[00:34:58] of three children and 19 grandchildren

[00:35:00] so they're doing their part

[00:35:02] and many of our listeners right now might say

[00:35:05] we have to even expand the nurseries

[00:35:09] because we have a lot of children in our churches

[00:35:13] and so in some respects people that are religious

[00:35:17] are actually having more children aren't they?

[00:35:20] Yes absolutely if you look at who's having children today Kirby

[00:35:24] it's evangelicals, traditional Catholics

[00:35:28] Orthodox Jews especially Hasidic Jews

[00:35:32] Mormons these are the people who are having large families

[00:35:36] the more secular people are

[00:35:39] the more likely they're never going to marry

[00:35:43] and if they do marry it's far more likely

[00:35:46] they're not going to have children

[00:35:48] or they'll have a very small family

[00:35:51] and so again it seems to me that we should be talking about that

[00:35:54] and of course we do at point of view

[00:35:57] the government could be addressing that in some way

[00:36:00] because you remind us the Dwight Eisenhower talked about

[00:36:03] our government makes no sense unless it's founded

[00:36:06] in a deeply felt religious faith

[00:36:09] and it does seem to me that religious faith

[00:36:12] could be something that is promoted

[00:36:14] but even so from our churches

[00:36:17] our synagogues and other places

[00:36:20] could be kind of an emphasis upon procreation

[00:36:24] because there's a very natural connection

[00:36:28] between for example what we read in the Psalms

[00:36:31] and Proverbs for example

[00:36:33] and what certainly a family can and should do

[00:36:37] for the future of their own family

[00:36:39] and of the future of their nation

[00:36:42] Well the first commandment in the Bible

[00:36:45] has nothing to do with fruit

[00:36:48] the first commandment

[00:36:50] well actually it does in a manner of speaking

[00:36:52] the first commandment is be fruitful and multiply

[00:36:56] and by the way there's no sunset clause

[00:37:00] God didn't say be fruitful and multiply

[00:37:04] you know until carbon emissions reach a certain level

[00:37:09] He didn't say be fruitful and multiply

[00:37:12] if you feel like it

[00:37:14] you know or unless you want to put more

[00:37:18] more of an emphasis on your career

[00:37:20] it's be fruitful and multiply period

[00:37:23] and a story

[00:37:25] and of course religious people

[00:37:27] take that to heart unfortunately

[00:37:30] we have fewer and fewer of those in this country

[00:37:33] today

[00:37:35] weekly church attendance

[00:37:37] is down to about

[00:37:40] three in ten

[00:37:42] twenty years ago it was almost fifty percent

[00:37:47] so only about

[00:37:52] thirty percent less than thirty percent of Americans

[00:37:56] attend religious services regularly

[00:37:59] the number of people who don't go to religious services

[00:38:02] at all who aren't affiliated

[00:38:05] with any religion keeps rising

[00:38:08] it was nine percent

[00:38:12] I think in the year 2000

[00:38:15] today it's twenty one percent

[00:38:18] well if people don't go to religious services

[00:38:22] don't go to church

[00:38:24] they're obviously not hearing the message

[00:38:27] well again we need to create a culture of life

[00:38:30] and a culture of procreation

[00:38:32] you mentioned Genesis 1 how about Psalm 127

[00:38:35] which I sort of alluded to children are heritage from the Lord

[00:38:38] offspring a reward for him like arrows in the hands of a warrior

[00:38:42] our children born in one's youth

[00:38:45] blessed is the man who's what quiver is full of them

[00:38:48] they will not be put to shame

[00:38:50] they will be contend with their opponents in court

[00:38:53] so obviously the message needs to be in the churches

[00:38:56] but I think we need to be those who spread that message elsewhere

[00:39:01] and you're starting to see Don

[00:39:03] all sorts of tick-tock videos and YouTube videos

[00:39:06] and Instagram videos where you have more and more people

[00:39:09] being proud to be dinks

[00:39:11] double income no kids

[00:39:13] proud to be childless

[00:39:15] and of course some of that is motivated by climate alarmism

[00:39:19] but some of it is just motivated by this idea

[00:39:23] that I'm just going to be selfish

[00:39:25] and I'm not going to bring somebody into this world

[00:39:27] and it seems to me that if we are concerned about the future

[00:39:30] of our families the future of our churches

[00:39:33] and our synagogues and our religious institutions

[00:39:36] and most importantly a future of our nation

[00:39:39] we need to come back to this very significant threat

[00:39:42] from the demographic winter

[00:39:44] so I know that's why you've been writing about that

[00:39:47] Yes, and I'll tell you something interesting Kirby

[00:39:50] ten years ago no one was talking about this

[00:39:54] if you raise the issue people on the mainstream media would say

[00:39:58] it's a conspiracy

[00:40:00] it's a conspiracy of pro-life people

[00:40:03] and they use it to fight abortion

[00:40:06] today they're not saying that

[00:40:08] today there are people in mainstream publications

[00:40:12] including by the way the New York Times

[00:40:14] who are saying yeah it's a reality

[00:40:17] Yes, let me give people some assignments

[00:40:20] first of all I did mention the RuthInstitute.org

[00:40:23] there is a very good video

[00:40:25] it's only five minutes long so after we get off the air here

[00:40:28] before we're next hour you might want to just go to

[00:40:31] the link that we have there, RuthInstitute

[00:40:33] and watch the video you'll see of course

[00:40:35] Don and a number of other people speaking to that

[00:40:38] you have the facts of the fact that

[00:40:40] every industrialized nation has below replacement fertility

[00:40:45] and so as a result that is having some very significant impact

[00:40:50] and then if you also are concerned about

[00:40:52] how to promote this globally

[00:40:55] well then we also have a link to profam.org

[00:40:59] which again is a part of this international organization

[00:41:04] and again there's another video that you can watch there

[00:41:07] and it's about three minutes long so

[00:41:09] these are some resources we wanted to put in your hands

[00:41:12] so that as we're talking about this

[00:41:15] you say okay I'm concerned

[00:41:17] there's something we can do about this

[00:41:19] so what's the next step?

[00:41:20] So Don talk about that because

[00:41:22] some great videos, resources that are there

[00:41:25] and those are things that I think we need to put in the hands

[00:41:27] of as many listeners as we can.

[00:41:29] Indeed the RuthInstitute has a demographic winter resource center

[00:41:35] if you go to their website and look for resource centers

[00:41:39] you'll see one for demographic winter

[00:41:41] if you go there you'll see articles, interviews, videos

[00:41:48] all kinds of information about this coming demographic train wreck

[00:41:55] I think that probably the Ruth Institute

[00:41:58] is the single best source for this

[00:42:00] but there are a lot of people who are now talking about it

[00:42:05] unlike a few years ago

[00:42:07] what can we do just not talk to people, warn them

[00:42:10] you know there's a train wreck coming

[00:42:13] jump up and down, wave your arms

[00:42:16] you know shout at the top of your lungs

[00:42:18] you know hey people if something isn't done

[00:42:21] it's going to be a disaster

[00:42:23] and that's what's coming a disaster

[00:42:25] I try not to exaggerate it

[00:42:29] but as I said this could very well be the crisis of this century

[00:42:34] Well let me again mention that we do have a link to Ruth Institute

[00:42:37] and actually it takes you right to the demographic winter resource center

[00:42:41] so you have all the information you need

[00:42:43] you've got the videos, the facts

[00:42:45] what's at stake, what you can do and all sorts of things

[00:42:48] so Don's been a while since we've had you on the program

[00:42:50] I'm so glad someone suggested we get you on

[00:42:52] and it's always great to hear from you

[00:42:54] so thank you for joining us today here on Point of View

[00:42:57] Thank you for the opportunity Kirby, appreciate it

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[00:44:56] Kirby Anderson

[00:44:57] You know one of the perennial questions is

[00:44:59] how can we believe in the goodness of God

[00:45:02] that God is even good in the midst of so many difficult

[00:45:05] and horrific things that happened

[00:45:08] it's a cruel world, it's a dark world

[00:45:11] and how to put all that together

[00:45:13] so we're going to spend some time

[00:45:14] not so much talking about the goodness of God

[00:45:16] although we are

[00:45:17] but using the title, The Kindness of God

[00:45:20] which is the title of this new book

[00:45:22] which is published by Moody Press

[00:45:24] which I think you will really appreciate

[00:45:26] and it is written by Pastor Nate Pickerwitch

[00:45:28] who is a teaching pastor of Harvest Bible Church

[00:45:31] in Gilmonton Ironworks, New Hampshire

[00:45:34] now you might remember just the other day

[00:45:36] we were talking about where New Hampshire

[00:45:38] in terms of something that First Liberty was dealing with

[00:45:40] and just a few minutes ago

[00:45:41] we were talking about Don Federer from Boston

[00:45:43] so focusing a lot of time and attention

[00:45:45] in New England

[00:45:46] and having lived in Connecticut for a few years

[00:45:48] I appreciate that

[00:45:49] again he has written other books

[00:45:51] on American Puritans

[00:45:53] a book on Arcee Sproul, Christ and Creed

[00:45:56] many others

[00:45:57] I love the one How to Eat Your Bible

[00:45:59] which came out with Moody a few years ago

[00:46:01] this one though, The Kindness of God

[00:46:04] Beholding His Goodness in a Cruel World

[00:46:07] it has eight chapters that talk about different aspects

[00:46:10] of God's kindness

[00:46:12] so Nate thank you for joining us today

[00:46:14] here on Point of View

[00:46:15] yeah thank you for having me with you

[00:46:17] I just mentioned you did graduate

[00:46:19] from Muhlenburg College and Trinity Theological Seminary

[00:46:22] up there in New Hampshire

[00:46:23] and what a great opportunity for ministry

[00:46:26] but let's get into this

[00:46:27] because you talk about God's kindness and salvation

[00:46:30] and repentance, sanctification, relationships

[00:46:33] blessing, suffering

[00:46:35] even how it's reflected in the believer

[00:46:37] and even kindness to the nations

[00:46:39] and it does seem to me that as you start out

[00:46:42] with this really sad story of Susan

[00:46:44] all of us sometimes just shake our head

[00:46:47] and say how can I make sense of this

[00:46:49] in light of the fact that we see people hurting

[00:46:53] people in pain

[00:46:55] and people that have had such great loss

[00:46:58] because we live in a fallen world

[00:47:00] and I know that was the reason for writing this book wasn't it?

[00:47:03] yeah it was a huge issue

[00:47:05] you know certainly I was interested in exploring

[00:47:08] the kindness of God just as a believer

[00:47:10] but the more I began to write and explore

[00:47:13] I realized that this is a huge topic for today

[00:47:16] and I think people really do struggle

[00:47:18] because we see how difficult the world can be

[00:47:21] we see the fallenness of humanity

[00:47:23] and I think people really struggle to reconcile that

[00:47:25] and I just wanted to try to provide

[00:47:27] some biblical answers to give some insight

[00:47:30] and hopefully some help to people who are struggling with this

[00:47:33] sure and again we're not the only ones

[00:47:35] asking that question because early on

[00:47:37] you talk about Psalm 63 written by David

[00:47:40] at a time when he was in great emotional distress

[00:47:43] he was driven away from home

[00:47:46] and of course first he's being chased by Saul

[00:47:49] now he's fleeing his son Absalom

[00:47:52] and you can read through many Psalms

[00:47:54] that have a Psalm of lament or of questioning

[00:47:58] and so we are not the first

[00:48:00] nor will be the last to ask questions about

[00:48:03] where is the kindness of God

[00:48:05] but let's take it to the very first chapter

[00:48:08] because in some respects

[00:48:10] you read in Titus 3

[00:48:13] that the kindness of God our Savior appeared

[00:48:15] when he saved us

[00:48:17] can you explain that?

[00:48:19] Yeah, no it's a great concept

[00:48:21] and I think that we forget

[00:48:23] especially as Christians do

[00:48:25] I think we forget

[00:48:26] that God never owed us any form

[00:48:29] doesn't owe anybody salvation

[00:48:31] and by his own justice he has the right

[00:48:34] as God as the sovereign

[00:48:36] to leave us in our sin

[00:48:38] and punish us rightly for our sinfulness

[00:48:41] and yet he chooses to send his son

[00:48:44] and to give his life for us

[00:48:46] and to forgive us of our sins

[00:48:48] and grant eternal life

[00:48:49] that's a tremendous kindness

[00:48:51] and I think a lot of times

[00:48:53] it's easy for Christians to forget

[00:48:55] that the fact that we're saved at all

[00:48:57] is a tremendous grace and kindness of God

[00:48:59] so I think we have to begin there

[00:49:01] I think we have to start with

[00:49:03] seeing the goodness and the kindness of God

[00:49:06] given to us in Christ and in salvation

[00:49:08] the root becomes the backbone

[00:49:10] of looking at this entire topic

[00:49:12] I think at least from our perspective

[00:49:14] let's say we can maybe use a Hebrew word

[00:49:16] and that is the Hebrew word

[00:49:18] cheset

[00:49:19] you have to kind of spit when you say it there a little bit

[00:49:21] and there's really no natural

[00:49:25] English translation

[00:49:27] so if I remember right

[00:49:29] you didn't say this in the book

[00:49:30] but I think I remember the King James

[00:49:32] translators came up with the word loving kindness

[00:49:35] we've seen other translations

[00:49:37] ESV to call it steadfast love

[00:49:40] but it is a

[00:49:42] if you will, the salvation of God's people

[00:49:46] and God's kindness to those people

[00:49:49] and so this phrase that is used

[00:49:52] and we see it in the Old Testament

[00:49:54] and then it's repeated later

[00:49:55] in a different context in the New Testament

[00:49:57] but it's this idea

[00:49:59] of God's loving kindness

[00:50:01] and that really is again kind of the theme

[00:50:03] of your book isn't it?

[00:50:05] It is

[00:50:06] it's funny because other translations

[00:50:08] even use the phrase covenant love

[00:50:10] that God really has a special relationship

[00:50:13] with his own people

[00:50:14] and even though he does demonstrate kindness

[00:50:17] to the nations

[00:50:18] and upon common grace

[00:50:20] and other blessings

[00:50:21] he really does have a special relationship

[00:50:23] with his own people

[00:50:25] and he treats us as beloved children

[00:50:27] and he treats us as beloved children

[00:50:31] and even just as friends

[00:50:33] and he treats us as a friend

[00:50:34] so I think that it's important for us to remember

[00:50:39] that again God doesn't owe this to us

[00:50:41] this is something he does out of his own character

[00:50:44] his own goodness

[00:50:45] he desires to save it

[00:50:47] brings him glory to save people

[00:50:49] so remembering that we are a recipient

[00:50:52] of that great kindness

[00:50:54] it really does encourage the heart to feed the soul

[00:50:57] One other aspect as you talk about God's kindness

[00:51:00] in repentance and faith

[00:51:02] Romans chapter 2 talks about the fact

[00:51:05] that do you think lightly

[00:51:07] of the riches of his kindness

[00:51:09] and tolerance in patience

[00:51:11] not knowing that the kindness of God

[00:51:13] leads you to repentance

[00:51:15] once we understand God's kindness

[00:51:17] I think we are naturally inclined

[00:51:20] to seek repentance for our sin

[00:51:23] Yeah, I think again going back to

[00:51:26] I don't think many people consider the fact

[00:51:29] that God grants repentance

[00:51:31] and grants faith as elements of kindness

[00:51:34] but again because he's just

[00:51:37] God has every right to punish us for sin

[00:51:40] and to carry out his justice on every single person

[00:51:43] but the fact that God doesn't allow us

[00:51:46] to die in our sins

[00:51:48] again through Christ of course

[00:51:50] but he doesn't allow us to die in those sins

[00:51:52] but it's kindness that he grants us repentance

[00:51:55] we come to the end of ourselves

[00:51:57] and we realize that we're lost

[00:51:59] we're sinning against God

[00:52:01] we've severed a relationship with God

[00:52:04] that we could just be left there

[00:52:07] but God grants this to us

[00:52:09] and restores us

[00:52:10] and it's a tremendous kindness

[00:52:12] again, these are things I think

[00:52:14] a lot of believers just sort of take for granted

[00:52:16] and I think it's important

[00:52:18] that we praise them rightly

[00:52:20] for granting these things to us

[00:52:22] and I think it produces a sense of

[00:52:24] thanks from us in Christians

[00:52:26] and I think that's really important

[00:52:28] Let's take a break

[00:52:29] This book is published by Moody

[00:52:31] Moody Publishers

[00:52:32] and you can certainly find it in your local bookstore

[00:52:34] if you would like to do so

[00:52:36] About 150 pages

[00:52:37] it is something that you could certainly

[00:52:39] read through

[00:52:40] I think it would make a great devotional book

[00:52:42] the way it's broken down

[00:52:43] it could also be something you could use

[00:52:45] as a small group study

[00:52:47] or something of that nature

[00:52:48] the kindness of God

[00:52:49] beholding his goodness

[00:52:51] in a cruel world

[00:52:53] and again we have a link to it

[00:52:55] so that you can get it in paperback

[00:52:57] and you can get it in your local bookstore

[00:52:59] should be able to find it in your local bookstore

[00:53:01] just has come out

[00:53:02] but if you can't

[00:53:03] we of course always make it easy

[00:53:05] for you to understand where it is

[00:53:08] and how to order it

[00:53:09] and if you'd like to know a little bit more

[00:53:11] about Nate

[00:53:12] and what he is doing

[00:53:13] we have a link there as well

[00:53:15] to his website

[00:53:16] so we have all sorts of resources

[00:53:18] that are available

[00:53:19] including a link to his church

[00:53:21] Harvest Bible Church

[00:53:22] will continue a conversation with him

[00:53:24] right after this

[00:53:27] music

[00:53:35] this is Viewpoints

[00:53:37] with Kirby Anderson

[00:53:39] over the last few months

[00:53:41] the word unsustainable

[00:53:42] has been frequently used

[00:53:44] the GAO proclaimed

[00:53:45] the federal government

[00:53:46] is on an unsustainable long-term fiscal path

[00:53:49] that poses serious economic, national security

[00:53:52] and social challenges

[00:53:53] if not addressed

[00:53:54] the chairman of the Federal Reserve

[00:53:56] said in his 60 minutes interview

[00:53:58] the US federal government

[00:53:59] is on an unsustainable fiscal path

[00:54:01] and that just means

[00:54:02] that the debt is growing faster than the economy

[00:54:04] so it is unsustainable

[00:54:06] the country burden with more than

[00:54:08] $34 trillion in national debt

[00:54:10] should be having a serious conversation

[00:54:12] about how to turn around the economy

[00:54:14] but don't expect any serious discussion

[00:54:16] for most candidates this election season

[00:54:19] fortunately Scott Powell

[00:54:20] makes a convincing case

[00:54:21] for the need for radical economic change

[00:54:24] the current US debt to GDP ratio

[00:54:26] now exceeds 122%

[00:54:28] as I've mentioned in previous commentaries

[00:54:30] that puts us in the danger zone

[00:54:32] he is realistic enough

[00:54:34] to show that we need both spending reductions

[00:54:36] as well as new sources of revenue

[00:54:38] cutting spending is politically difficult

[00:54:40] but also constitutionally difficult

[00:54:42] since two thirds of the federal budget

[00:54:44] is mandatory spending

[00:54:46] but something must be done

[00:54:47] to reduce the size of the federal government

[00:54:49] the other way to balance a budget

[00:54:51] is to get more sources of income

[00:54:53] he points to the country's massive oil and gas reserves

[00:54:56] the US is number one among nations

[00:54:58] in both natural gas and oil reserves

[00:55:00] and he also argues that another way

[00:55:02] to pay down the national debt

[00:55:04] is for the federal government

[00:55:05] to sell half of its 640 million acres of public land

[00:55:09] these ideas may seem radical

[00:55:11] but we need to ask candidates running for office this year

[00:55:14] whether they have a better solution

[00:55:16] I doubt they do

[00:55:17] I'm Kirby Anderson

[00:55:18] and that's my point of view

[00:55:24] for a free copy of Kirby's booklet

[00:55:27] A Biblical View on Critical Race Theory

[00:55:30] go to viewpoints.info

[00:55:33] slash crt

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[00:55:41] once again talking about the kindness of God

[00:55:44] beholding his goodness in a cruel world

[00:55:46] a pastor named Pickowitz is with us

[00:55:48] and again we're talking about some aspects

[00:55:50] of God's kindness and salvation

[00:55:52] repentance

[00:55:54] one more sanctification

[00:55:56] we'll get into things like relationship and blessing

[00:55:58] but sanctification is another one of those

[00:56:00] in 1 Peter 2 the idea that like newborn babes

[00:56:03] long for the pure milk of the world

[00:56:06] word so that it may

[00:56:08] and by it you may grow in respect to salvation

[00:56:12] if you have tasted

[00:56:14] and again I love this

[00:56:15] the kindness of the Lord

[00:56:17] so there is a sense in which

[00:56:19] once we understand who God is

[00:56:21] once we understand who we are

[00:56:23] our growth as Christians

[00:56:25] be more Christ like

[00:56:27] our sanctification

[00:56:29] really is tied into this idea

[00:56:31] the kindness of the Lord isn't it

[00:56:33] it is you know and I think about

[00:56:36] you know God could redeem us

[00:56:38] and then say okay now be godly

[00:56:41] and you know drop the hammer on us

[00:56:43] but he's patient

[00:56:45] and he bears with us

[00:56:46] and he grows us by his spirit

[00:56:48] and by his word

[00:56:50] and he just walks with us

[00:56:52] as we continue to grow

[00:56:53] and again that's a kindness

[00:56:54] I mean how many times do we

[00:56:56] stumble and fall

[00:56:57] we seek forgiveness

[00:56:58] he lifts us back up

[00:57:00] he demonstrates patience

[00:57:01] and kindness to us again

[00:57:02] I mean he really is a gentle savior

[00:57:05] he is good to us

[00:57:06] and I think again

[00:57:08] not taking that for granted

[00:57:10] but to really be thankful to God

[00:57:12] for everything he's doing

[00:57:13] in the life of believers

[00:57:14] so I think it's really really important

[00:57:16] well again one aspect of the Christian life

[00:57:19] should be gratitude

[00:57:21] as a matter of fact if you want to have joy

[00:57:23] gratitude is a key

[00:57:24] if you want to be depressed

[00:57:26] have in gratitude I guess

[00:57:28] but you do talk about the idea

[00:57:30] of God's kindness in blessing

[00:57:32] and it does seem to me

[00:57:34] that whether we're talking about gifts

[00:57:36] and abilities

[00:57:37] or all sorts of other blessings

[00:57:39] we see God's kindness there as well don't we

[00:57:42] we do and I think

[00:57:44] this is sort of falling on hard times in some way

[00:57:47] because we have

[00:57:48] you know false Gospels out there

[00:57:50] we have a prosperity gospel

[00:57:52] that says that God exists to make you

[00:57:54] healthy and wealthy and prosperous

[00:57:56] and somehow if he doesn't do that for you

[00:57:58] that there's something wrong with your faith

[00:58:00] and I think that's damaging

[00:58:02] it's certainly not biblically correct

[00:58:04] but certainly God does bless believers

[00:58:07] he does give us our health

[00:58:09] he does give us material things

[00:58:11] he gives us a home

[00:58:12] he gives us lots of things

[00:58:13] but I think you know understanding it rightly

[00:58:16] that everything we receive from God

[00:58:18] is a mercy

[00:58:19] it's a grace

[00:58:20] it's a kindness and like you mentioned

[00:58:22] being grateful for those things

[00:58:24] and even if he doesn't give us the things

[00:58:26] that we desire or ask for in the moment

[00:58:29] there's always a reason for it

[00:58:30] but that we should be thankful

[00:58:32] and recognize when God is being kind to us

[00:58:35] and praise him for it

[00:58:36] you know you do quote a Puritan pastor

[00:58:39] a rare jewel of Christian contentment

[00:58:42] which defines that as

[00:58:45] the sweet inward quiet gracious frame of spirit

[00:58:49] which freely submits to and delights

[00:58:52] in God's wise and fatherly disposal

[00:58:55] in every condition

[00:58:56] I love that

[00:58:57] now is that for a bumper sticker

[00:58:58] but you know there is a sense in which

[00:59:01] gratitude, contentment

[00:59:03] you know the apostle Paul talked about

[00:59:05] I've learned to be content

[00:59:07] contentment isn't a natural phenomenon

[00:59:09] but it does seem to me that that's another aspect

[00:59:12] of seeing God's kindness and blessing

[00:59:16] yeah I think so too

[00:59:17] and I think what happens to our believers

[00:59:20] especially is that when we see that God

[00:59:22] is doing something in our life

[00:59:24] in a way that we're not used to

[00:59:26] you know say there are increased trials

[00:59:29] or say there were just

[00:59:30] there's not enough money in the till

[00:59:32] that we're used to having

[00:59:33] or whatever it may be

[00:59:34] our tendency is to say

[00:59:36] well Lord it's not enough

[00:59:37] I need more and sort of rage against him a little bit

[00:59:41] or not to be grateful for what we do have at all

[00:59:44] and I think that's error

[00:59:45] you know and I think you nailed it on the head with Paul

[00:59:47] that he's learned to do this

[00:59:49] and we also must learn to be content

[00:59:52] and that's a hard lesson

[00:59:53] but again the fact that God doesn't crush us

[00:59:55] in the process of learning that lesson

[00:59:57] is a mercy

[00:59:59] and he is kind to us

[01:00:00] he does give us what we need

[01:00:02] he always gives us what he desires to give us

[01:00:05] and we ought to be grateful and we ought to be content

[01:00:08] and again the flip side of that coin

[01:00:10] after we look at blessing on one side

[01:00:12] is suffering

[01:00:14] and you have a quote from Lamentations

[01:00:16] and not too often that people quote from Lamentations

[01:00:19] but for if he causes grief

[01:00:22] then he will have compassion

[01:00:24] according to his abundant loving kindness

[01:00:28] we all struggle with pain

[01:00:31] and evil and suffering and death

[01:00:34] and yet it does seem to me

[01:00:36] that you're arguing that even God demonstrates

[01:00:39] his kindness through afflictions

[01:00:41] can you explain that?

[01:00:43] Yeah I think even Hebrews 12 talks about that

[01:00:46] where the Bible says that God disciplines

[01:00:48] those he loves and chases us as beloved children

[01:00:52] you know discipline and chasening

[01:00:55] and even suffering and pain

[01:00:57] obviously it's never

[01:00:59] we don't like it

[01:01:00] it's not a joyful experience

[01:01:02] but the Bible says in Hebrews 12, 11

[01:01:05] all discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful

[01:01:08] but actually once we've been trained by it

[01:01:11] afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness

[01:01:14] so many times when God will chase on us

[01:01:17] or bring trials to us

[01:01:19] and in the moment we don't understand what he's doing

[01:01:22] but if we can frame our mind around the fact that

[01:01:25] I know that God's doing something

[01:01:27] maybe he's killing idols for me

[01:01:29] I'm not going to choose to build my faith

[01:01:31] maybe he's making my faith even more sure

[01:01:33] there's something he's doing in the midst of trials

[01:01:36] and we have to see he has a gentle hand

[01:01:38] even when he disciplines us with that hand

[01:01:41] and so I think we can learn to see God's kindness

[01:01:44] and suffering but it is challenging

[01:01:46] I think that was probably the most challenging chapter

[01:01:49] to face right in the book

[01:01:51] was dealing with that issue

[01:01:52] but I think it's so important

[01:01:54] Well again we've talked about God's kindness

[01:01:56] in a vertical way

[01:01:57] His kindness and our kindness in a horizontal way

[01:02:00] you talk about the fact that if David had killed

[01:02:03] Mephetheshev that would have been his right

[01:02:06] because after all he was the son of Jonathan

[01:02:08] the grandson of Saul

[01:02:10] and certainly an arch enemy

[01:02:12] but we see whether you look at David

[01:02:15] of course you have a verse from Ephesians 4

[01:02:18] or many other passages

[01:02:20] in which if indeed God has been kind to us

[01:02:24] we should be modeling that kind of kindness

[01:02:27] and in some cases even overwhelmed by the kindness

[01:02:30] that God has shown to us

[01:02:32] Yeah I think that's where we are right now

[01:02:34] in this current cultural moment

[01:02:36] I think this is why this topic is so important

[01:02:39] is because when we begin to take cues from the world

[01:02:42] and begin to treat each other with a disdain

[01:02:45] that we see the world treating one another

[01:02:47] I think we're losing our way

[01:02:49] you know we owe kindness to others

[01:02:52] because we've received kindness from God

[01:02:54] that verse in Ephesians 4 32

[01:02:56] that we are to be kind to one another

[01:02:58] and he says even tender hearted

[01:03:00] forgiving each other just says

[01:03:02] God and Christ has forgiven you

[01:03:04] so if we have received such mercy

[01:03:06] and such kindness and such forgiveness from God

[01:03:09] then we don't have the right to withhold that

[01:03:11] from other people

[01:03:13] I mean didn't Jesus say love your enemies

[01:03:15] and pray for those who persecute you

[01:03:17] He didn't say go online and blast them

[01:03:19] and call them all terrible names

[01:03:21] and hurt them and nothing like that

[01:03:23] you know we are to be the most kind people

[01:03:25] now kind isn't necessarily nice

[01:03:28] nice and kind are two different things all together

[01:03:31] but we are to demonstrate a loving kindness

[01:03:34] to others especially those who we don't agree with

[01:03:37] and even those who hurt us

[01:03:39] I think that's a mark of Godly character

[01:03:41] You know Nate we were talking yesterday

[01:03:43] with Robert Morgan

[01:03:45] and got into the whole conversation of humility

[01:03:48] and whether it's humility

[01:03:50] or it's being kind to one another

[01:03:53] and tender hearted and forgiving each other

[01:03:56] I think if you want to stand out

[01:03:58] in a culture where there is conflict

[01:04:00] and polarization and anger

[01:04:03] and finger pointing

[01:04:05] be a tender hearted kind individual

[01:04:08] be a humble individual

[01:04:10] seeking the best for other individuals

[01:04:13] and you will stand out even more so

[01:04:15] and I think it will provide a real opportunity

[01:04:17] for evangelism don't you think?

[01:04:19] It does I mean even in Paul talks about

[01:04:21] you know when people saw his testimony

[01:04:23] they were giving praise to God

[01:04:25] because of the things he was doing

[01:04:27] I think about John chapter 13

[01:04:29] when Jesus tells the disciples

[01:04:31] to love one another

[01:04:33] and by virtue of that love your neighbor as well

[01:04:35] but he says by doing so

[01:04:37] people will see that you are my disciples

[01:04:39] by the love you have for one another

[01:04:41] so I think our love

[01:04:43] our tenderness

[01:04:45] our kindness toward people

[01:04:47] it points to a God who is kind

[01:04:49] if we are nasty vindictive people all the time

[01:04:51] we are not going to win anybody to Christ

[01:04:53] we are not going to win anybody

[01:04:55] to the beauty of the gospel

[01:04:57] but if we demonstrate Godly character

[01:04:59] and if we are kind

[01:05:01] especially to enemies

[01:05:03] there is something different

[01:05:05] the world doesn't know what to do with that

[01:05:07] that's out of their grid

[01:05:09] it's better to be kind to one another

[01:05:11] because that's again

[01:05:13] that's who he is to us

[01:05:15] again eight chapters in this book

[01:05:17] the kindness of God and it is published

[01:05:19] by our friends at Moody Publishing

[01:05:21] if you'd like to know more about the book

[01:05:23] we have a link there

[01:05:25] we have a link to Harvest Bible Church

[01:05:27] if you'd like to know more about what

[01:05:29] Nate is doing there in New Hampshire

[01:05:31] if you'd like to contact him

[01:05:33] or maybe get some other insight

[01:05:35] from this book or have him come and speak

[01:05:37] at pointofview.net

[01:05:39] Nate thank you for writing the book

[01:05:41] and thank you for giving us some time here

[01:05:43] on Point of View

[01:05:45] I really appreciate it, thank you so much

[01:05:47] again published by our friends at Moody

[01:05:49] and if you would like to find it in your local bookstore

[01:05:51] I would encourage you to do so

[01:05:53] but if not we have a place

[01:05:55] for you to get it either in paperback

[01:05:57] or kindle very inexpensive

[01:05:59] lots of great insight as you probably

[01:06:01] have picked up and it's one of the resources

[01:06:03] we wanted you to be aware of

[01:06:05] and we'll come back with some final comments

[01:06:07] right after this

[01:06:09] Have you ever met a child you knew

[01:06:11] would do great things

[01:06:13] they displayed remarkable imagination

[01:06:15] understanding and a zest for learning

[01:06:17] now imagine someone takes that child

[01:06:19] and instead of fostering

[01:06:21] their potential with a real education

[01:06:23] they feed them nothing but lies

[01:06:25] you know that scenario isn't so far from reality

[01:06:28] from a young age Americans are fed

[01:06:30] a consistent stream of distorted facts

[01:06:33] from the secular indoctrination

[01:06:35] they receive in many public schools

[01:06:37] to the biases presented as fact

[01:06:39] in many colleges and universities

[01:06:41] to the barrage of misinformation

[01:06:43] from the mainstream media

[01:06:45] and the lack of moral grounding

[01:06:47] in our society

[01:06:49] it's not that Americans aren't capable

[01:06:51] of understanding the truth

[01:06:53] it's that they aren't exposed to it enough

[01:06:55] you can expose more Americans

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[01:07:01] have a different perspective

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[01:07:44] and now here again

[01:07:46] is Kirby Anderson

[01:07:48] Ben Lefower today

[01:07:49] and just even as we've been broadcasting

[01:07:51] some calls now for the National Guard

[01:07:53] we talked about that earlier

[01:07:55] but Senator Tom Cotton

[01:07:57] Senator Josh Hollande

[01:07:59] just a few of a number of Senators

[01:08:01] that have actually urged President Biden

[01:08:03] to mobilize National Guard troops

[01:08:06] to protect Jewish college students

[01:08:09] and who would have guessed that

[01:08:11] even just a few days ago

[01:08:12] but that's how dire the circumstances

[01:08:15] have become

[01:08:16] and I thought for just a few more minutes

[01:08:18] we'll revisit that topic

[01:08:19] and then get on to some others

[01:08:21] but while we talk about the Senate

[01:08:23] it's also worth mentioning

[01:08:24] what's going on in the House right now

[01:08:26] do you realize

[01:08:27] that now we're down to 430 voting members

[01:08:30] in the House of Representatives

[01:08:32] because of in some cases

[01:08:34] retirement vacancies

[01:08:36] of course one individual is in a coma

[01:08:39] if I count correctly

[01:08:41] 217 Republicans

[01:08:43] 213 Democrats

[01:08:44] 5 vacancies

[01:08:45] this coming now

[01:08:46] because Representative Mike Gallagher

[01:08:49] Republican from Wisconsin

[01:08:50] after voting on the four and eight bills

[01:08:52] on Saturday resigned

[01:08:54] which we will be discussing

[01:08:56] and resigned which we knew was coming

[01:08:59] it's unbelievable

[01:09:01] all the things that are happening

[01:09:02] but I thought I would come back to

[01:09:04] the issue of students

[01:09:07] and maybe I'll post this piece

[01:09:09] by Cal Thomas tomorrow

[01:09:10] because he was the one that first pointed out

[01:09:12] how Google has fired 28 employees

[01:09:16] for those individuals

[01:09:18] who were taking over office spaces

[01:09:20] defacing property

[01:09:21] physically impeding the work of people

[01:09:23] doing work at Google

[01:09:25] because of the pro-Hamas ideas

[01:09:28] and then of course we talked about

[01:09:30] the other day police

[01:09:31] called and arrested 108 protesters

[01:09:34] who set up those camps on school property

[01:09:36] at Columbia

[01:09:38] because the president said

[01:09:39] these occupiers posed a clear and present

[01:09:42] danger to the function of the university

[01:09:44] they decided now to have the classes

[01:09:47] off campus

[01:09:48] or by zoom

[01:09:50] I mean this has gotten pretty significant

[01:09:53] and so Cal Thomas puts it this way

[01:09:55] says you know for too long

[01:09:56] and too many places

[01:09:58] not only on college campuses

[01:09:59] but other places where adults

[01:10:01] have ceded their leadership responsibility

[01:10:03] to teenagers

[01:10:05] and 20-somethings

[01:10:06] too many of whom regurgitate

[01:10:08] what they've been told by leftist professors

[01:10:11] and friends on social media

[01:10:13] and so I thought I would real quickly

[01:10:15] focus on three of those professors

[01:10:18] that he talks about

[01:10:19] and maybe we'll post this tomorrow

[01:10:21] so you can read it

[01:10:22] since we have Nancy French with us

[01:10:25] for the first hour

[01:10:27] and I'll warn you she will be of course critical

[01:10:29] of Donald Trump

[01:10:30] no surprise there

[01:10:31] she's married to David French

[01:10:33] who actually talked about

[01:10:34] even running against Donald Trump in 2016

[01:10:37] then we have Marjorie Dannenfelser

[01:10:39] who has been very critical

[01:10:40] of the president's stand on abortion

[01:10:43] we won't really have much time

[01:10:45] as so it turns out to really talk about

[01:10:49] many of these other articles

[01:10:51] so I'll talk about them today

[01:10:53] we'll post them

[01:10:54] you can read them

[01:10:55] maybe we'll get into it on Thursday or Friday

[01:10:57] but let's if we can help you understand

[01:10:59] that one of those individuals

[01:11:01] is a man by the name of Joseph Massad

[01:11:04] now he is an individual

[01:11:06] that Alan Dershowitz actually recommended

[01:11:09] not receive tenure

[01:11:11] because of all the problems

[01:11:13] that he created

[01:11:15] even when he was at Columbia

[01:11:17] he is now a tenured professor

[01:11:19] and a professor of modern Arab politics and history

[01:11:23] he's the one that you might remember

[01:11:25] when you had the October 7th attack

[01:11:28] by Hamas said that this attack was awesome

[01:11:32] and actually praised

[01:11:34] what Hamas was able to do against Israel

[01:11:37] you have another individual

[01:11:39] Mohammed Abdu

[01:11:41] who is also described on Columbia's website

[01:11:44] as a North African Egyptian Muslim anarchist

[01:11:47] interdisciplinary activist scholar

[01:11:49] of indigenous black critical race

[01:11:51] and Islamic studies

[01:11:53] as well as gender sexuality,

[01:11:55] abolition and decolonization

[01:11:57] you know all these phrases that are there

[01:12:01] and of course also on social media says

[01:12:03] yes I stand with Hamas

[01:12:05] I stand with Hezbollah

[01:12:07] I stand with Islamic jihad

[01:12:09] these are the professors

[01:12:11] at least of your students if they go to Columbia

[01:12:13] that they might have

[01:12:15] one other one I'll just mention real quickly

[01:12:17] that's Hamad Dabashi

[01:12:19] who is a professor of Iranian studies

[01:12:21] and he's come under fire in recent years

[01:12:24] for all sorts of controversial posts

[01:12:27] one which has since been deleted

[01:12:29] arguing that every dirty problem

[01:12:32] in the world is due to Israel

[01:12:35] every dirty treacherous ugly and pernicious

[01:12:40] happening in the world

[01:12:42] and in a few days in the ugly name

[01:12:44] Israel will pop up in the atrocities

[01:12:46] so these are the kind of individuals sometimes

[01:12:49] that are in the classrooms

[01:12:51] and maybe the reason for some of the kind of actions

[01:12:56] animus, anger and even violence

[01:13:00] that is breaking out on the college campuses today

[01:13:03] so we will continue to focus on that

[01:13:06] and wanted you to know that some of those resources

[01:13:09] that I've already mentioned are on the articles

[01:13:13] we've posted today

[01:13:15] put down the protest and bigotry at Columbia

[01:13:18] some of the others will post tomorrow

[01:13:20] but one of the others I posted

[01:13:22] I mentioned yesterday and it's worth a further acknowledgement

[01:13:26] and that is on Monday

[01:13:28] the Supreme Court did hear oral arguments

[01:13:32] that will affect those of you

[01:13:34] that are involved in a ministry to the homeless

[01:13:37] we do have a booklet on a biblical point of view on homelessness

[01:13:41] and a lot of this is raising a fundamental question

[01:13:44] is there a constitutional right to camp on the streets

[01:13:48] that's what has been considered in the case of City of Grants Pass vs. Johnson

[01:13:54] Grants Pass, Oregon

[01:13:56] bans camping on public property

[01:13:59] and punishes individuals with a fine

[01:14:02] and jail sentences and a number of other things

[01:14:06] so you've had some homeless advocates arguing in a class action suit

[01:14:11] that prohibiting public vagrancy violates the 8th Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment

[01:14:19] and as we mentioned yesterday

[01:14:22] the 9th Circuit Court went along with that

[01:14:26] and anybody that thinks that the 8th Amendment had anything to do with homelessness

[01:14:32] is really reaching but that's where we find ourselves

[01:14:36] and so according to the 9th Circuit Court

[01:14:39] the judges that met and it was only a small group

[01:14:42] they actually eliminated the opportunity to meet on bonk

[01:14:47] which would be all of the judges

[01:14:49] they said that Grants Pass unfairly punished

[01:14:53] the involuntary status of being homeless

[01:14:57] even though many of those vagrants

[01:15:00] who's homeless living on the streets

[01:15:02] actually rejected housing that was available to them

[01:15:07] one woman did so because her dog wasn't allowed in a shelter

[01:15:11] others because they just had rules like

[01:15:14] well you couldn't be involved in using drugs

[01:15:17] and a number of other things in the home

[01:15:20] and so under the 9th Circuit Court ruling

[01:15:22] homelessness is considered involuntarily

[01:15:25] as long as the number of vagrants

[01:15:28] exceed the number of available beds

[01:15:31] when calculating the latter the judges excluded

[01:15:34] isn't this interesting

[01:15:36] religiously affiliated shelters

[01:15:39] as well as warming and sobering centers

[01:15:42] because after all if you had a requirement

[01:15:46] that you had to stay sober to get shelter

[01:15:49] well that would be a constitutional violation

[01:15:52] again all those ministries

[01:15:55] and I have like I said just on a Sunday night

[01:15:59] sitting next to a couple that have had this wonderful

[01:16:02] very dynamic ministry to the homeless here in Dallas

[01:16:07] well they would be excluded because they're religious

[01:16:10] and so we wouldn't count any of those beds

[01:16:13] any of those facilities or the rest

[01:16:15] so you can see that there are some issues

[01:16:17] that the Supreme Court really needs to address

[01:16:20] and so we've posted this article for you to see as well

[01:16:24] the argument goes on to say that these states really

[01:16:27] are trying to do what they can

[01:16:30] to clean up the states

[01:16:33] and the streets and the communities

[01:16:36] because after all there are ways in which

[01:16:39] you could at least try to

[01:16:42] alleviate the problem rather than exasperate the problem

[01:16:45] and so they've done things like giving some of these

[01:16:48] homeless people gift cards

[01:16:51] if they'll bag their trash and place them

[01:16:54] if they'll get we willing to go into housing

[01:16:57] and things of that nature

[01:16:59] cities in California have tried to do that

[01:17:02] yet homelessness keeps increasing

[01:17:05] so the Ninth Circuit Court ruling right now

[01:17:08] basically handcuffed state and local officials

[01:17:11] who want to protect their citizens

[01:17:13] voters can hold them accountable for the results

[01:17:16] of their policies

[01:17:18] but again you have this very

[01:17:21] difficult ruling that came from the Ninth Circuit Court

[01:17:24] and so you have some very important issues

[01:17:28] that need to be addressed and again if you are

[01:17:30] interested in a homeless ministry

[01:17:33] or want to know a little bit more about that

[01:17:37] the booklet that we have on homelessness

[01:17:41] of course some of the other writings

[01:17:44] San Francisco for example

[01:17:46] which came out a number of years ago

[01:17:48] by actually liberal who was

[01:17:51] actually has his office in Berkeley

[01:17:53] but has said this is becoming very dangerous

[01:17:56] in the San Francisco Bay Area

[01:17:59] these are people like Michael Schellenberger

[01:18:02] that are just simply saying we've got to do something

[01:18:05] and there are answers and the steadfast resistance

[01:18:08] to some of that from the city officials

[01:18:11] and how some of these court rulings

[01:18:13] is taking a bad problem

[01:18:15] and making it worse

[01:18:17] so if you'd like to read more about that

[01:18:19] that is one of the articles we've posted on Point of View

[01:18:21] we'll be back right after this

[01:18:41] what we would do now is read from a children's book

[01:18:44] actually not quite

[01:18:46] it turns out that Alicia Finley

[01:18:48] takes this best selling children's picture book

[01:18:51] and maybe you've seen it if you give

[01:18:53] is the title of it

[01:18:54] if you give a mouse a cookie

[01:18:56] or a muffin or a pancake

[01:18:59] the lesson that you are teaching your kids

[01:19:02] and hopefully teaching the parents

[01:19:04] is that oftentimes when you give them one thing

[01:19:07] then that gives them appetite for more

[01:19:10] and she starts out by saying how did our world

[01:19:13] our culture and our politics become such a mess

[01:19:16] so she has six if you give

[01:19:19] and these aren't cookies but it illustrates again

[01:19:22] once you give one thing

[01:19:24] you sometimes don't see that the next event

[01:19:27] the next request fits that

[01:19:30] number one if college students ask for safe spaces

[01:19:34] you might give affinity groups their own centers

[01:19:37] but then they want to feel safe in classrooms

[01:19:40] and they will ask for trigger warnings

[01:19:42] to protect them from ideas they don't like

[01:19:45] when you agree that certain ideas can be dangerous

[01:19:48] students will occupy buildings

[01:19:50] and demand that speakers be canceled

[01:19:52] how prescient was that

[01:19:54] when you apologize and disinvite speakers

[01:19:57] students will ask you to excuse tardy

[01:19:59] and incomplete assignments

[01:20:01] because they were busy protesting

[01:20:03] when you give them an A for no effort

[01:20:05] they will graduate with honors

[01:20:07] and think they don't have to work hard to succeed

[01:20:09] then when you give them a job

[01:20:11] they'll ask to work only 30 hours a week

[01:20:14] if you say yes then they'll use their extra time

[01:20:16] to organize a union

[01:20:18] if you recognize their union

[01:20:20] then they'll ask for extra paid days off

[01:20:22] and eight weeks of vacation

[01:20:24] when they max out their credit cards

[01:20:26] they'll ask you for their student loans

[01:20:28] to be forgiven

[01:20:30] when you cancel their debt

[01:20:32] they'll quit their jobs to get graduate degrees

[01:20:34] they'll ask for a place to stay

[01:20:36] when they can't repay their graduate loans

[01:20:38] they'll ask for more debt forgiveness

[01:20:40] well that's number one

[01:20:42] the rest aren't quite as so long

[01:20:44] but again if you give college students a safe space

[01:20:47] more comes

[01:20:49] number two if you give a hungry migrant

[01:20:51] who shows up at your border

[01:20:53] he will ask for asylum

[01:20:55] when you let him into the country

[01:20:57] he'll ask for a place to stay

[01:20:59] when you give him free room and board

[01:21:01] at a Manhattan hotel

[01:21:03] he'll ask for a bus to New York

[01:21:05] and so it goes on and on

[01:21:07] number three

[01:21:09] if an electric vehicle start-up

[01:21:11] asks for government support

[01:21:13] you might agree to fund the construction

[01:21:15] of its first factory

[01:21:17] then it wants tax credits for people to buy

[01:21:19] its cars

[01:21:21] since drivers need to charge their EVs

[01:21:23] the company will ask you to finance charging stations

[01:21:25] when it keeps losing money

[01:21:27] it'll ask you to subsidize its battery manufacturing

[01:21:30] when it produces more electric vehicles

[01:21:32] than people want to buy

[01:21:34] then it'll ask you to ban gasoline powered cars

[01:21:36] so consumers have no other choice

[01:21:38] then it'll ask for more money to build factories

[01:21:40] to make more electric vehicles

[01:21:42] that people are forced to buy

[01:21:44] you sort of get the idea now

[01:21:46] number four

[01:21:48] if you create a child tax credit

[01:21:50] liberals will demand that it be made

[01:21:52] more generous

[01:21:54] when you increase the credit

[01:21:56] they'll ask to make it more refundable

[01:21:58] to people who don't owe taxes can claim it

[01:22:00] when some start working

[01:22:02] they'll ask to increase the earned income tax credit

[01:22:04] as an incentive to work

[01:22:06] then they'll ask for paid family leave

[01:22:08] to make it easier for parents

[01:22:10] to take time off work

[01:22:12] when inflation increases because of government spending

[01:22:14] liberals will ask for a bigger

[01:22:16] tax child tax credit

[01:22:18] a couple more real quickly

[01:22:20] number five

[01:22:22] if Iranian mullahs ask for relief

[01:22:24] from economic sanctions

[01:22:26] they'll ask for more sanctions relief

[01:22:28] which you'll grant because you believe it will encourage them to be less belligerent

[01:22:30] then they'll manufacture more weapons

[01:22:32] which their proxies will use to launch more attacks

[01:22:34] when you ask Israel

[01:22:36] to stand down

[01:22:38] the mullahs will ask for more

[01:22:40] sanctions relief

[01:22:42] which they'll ask for more

[01:22:44] sanctions relief

[01:22:46] which they'll ask for more

[01:22:48] sanctions relief

[01:22:50] which they'll ask for more

[01:22:52] sanctions relief

[01:22:54] when Israel to stand down

[01:22:56] the mullahs will continue

[01:22:58] manufacturing weapons

[01:23:00] and enriching uranium

[01:23:02] then they'll ask for an abolition of Israel

[01:23:04] in return for not launching

[01:23:06] a nuclear weapon

[01:23:08] and finally number six

[01:23:10] if Israel removes its citizens from Gaza

[01:23:12] Hamas will take over

[01:23:14] and ask for humanitarian assistance

[01:23:16] when you send aid

[01:23:18] Hamas will use its military purposes

[01:23:20] while impoverishing its people

[01:23:22] then it will use Gazans as human shields

[01:23:24] after launching attacks on Israel

[01:23:26] when Israel tries to defend itself

[01:23:28] innocent Gazans will accidentally get killed

[01:23:30] the United Nations will lambass

[01:23:32] Israel as the aggressor

[01:23:34] Hamas will smile and ask for more

[01:23:36] humanitarian relief

[01:23:38] when you give Hamas more aid

[01:23:40] it will launch yet more attacks on Israel

[01:23:42] and take civilians hostage

[01:23:44] when you seek to negotiate their release

[01:23:46] Hamas will ask for more aid

[01:23:48] and a temporary ceasefire

[01:23:50] when you agree it will regroup

[01:23:52] then when Israel accidentally kills

[01:23:54] Gazans while trying to eradicate

[01:23:56] Hamas terrorists radical leftists

[01:23:58] will block traffic

[01:24:00] on US bridges

[01:24:02] and demand a permanent ceasefire

[01:24:04] when you agree Hamas will escalate

[01:24:06] its attacks

[01:24:08] when Israel fights back college professors

[01:24:10] will ask for safe spaces

[01:24:12] for Hamas

[01:24:14] you can kind of get the idea

[01:24:16] the list goes on and on

[01:24:18] and there is a lesson there

[01:24:20] and it's a lesson that I think we've all learned

[01:24:22] with our own children

[01:24:24] and that is as the little

[01:24:26] story if I give

[01:24:28] a mouse a cookie

[01:24:30] or a muffin or a pancake

[01:24:32] or whatever it is

[01:24:34] appetite for more

[01:24:36] and so in some respects this children book series

[01:24:38] helps explain

[01:24:40] the dangers of

[01:24:42] indulging so many of the

[01:24:44] unreasonable requests around the world

[01:24:46] you know that last one about Hamas

[01:24:48] is something we need to remind ourselves of

[01:24:50] there was a very good video

[01:24:52] that someone played just the other day

[01:24:54] in which Hillary Clinton

[01:24:56] went all the way back to when Bill Clinton

[01:24:58] her husband was president

[01:25:00] and how they offered a two state

[01:25:02] solution to Yasser Arafat

[01:25:04] and he turned it down

[01:25:06] then she talks about the fact

[01:25:08] that later when she was

[01:25:10] secretary of state under Barack Obama

[01:25:12] they offered it again

[01:25:14] to the Palestinian Authority

[01:25:16] another two state solution

[01:25:18] and they turned it down again

[01:25:20] and then she reminded us

[01:25:22] that when indeed

[01:25:24] there was a desire to give

[01:25:26] Gaza its own land

[01:25:28] the Israelis actually

[01:25:30] removed tens of thousands of Israelis

[01:25:32] out of Gaza

[01:25:34] and allowed them to keep all

[01:25:36] of the infrastructure there

[01:25:38] and of course repaid Israel for their

[01:25:40] graciousness by firing

[01:25:42] rockets at them and of course eventually

[01:25:44] on October 7th capturing

[01:25:46] so many killing

[01:25:48] so many others and as a result

[01:25:50] it was Hillary Clinton of all people

[01:25:52] reminding us that

[01:25:54] there has been attempts

[01:25:56] time and time again

[01:25:58] to try to provide what people are shouting

[01:26:00] right now from these public

[01:26:02] spaces and college campuses

[01:26:04] and the problem has not been

[01:26:06] the unwillingness of Israel

[01:26:08] the problem has always been

[01:26:10] the willingness of the Palestinians

[01:26:12] let me just before we end

[01:26:14] our program today mention that

[01:26:16] my particular commentary

[01:26:18] is called economic change

[01:26:20] it's a reminder of some of the things

[01:26:22] we talked about on Friday

[01:26:24] when we had Dr. Merrill Matthews in studio

[01:26:26] in terms of a

[01:26:28] $34 trillion almost a

[01:26:30] $35 trillion national debt

[01:26:32] and an unsustainable

[01:26:34] possibility

[01:26:36] and the need for us to do

[01:26:38] something and so I spent some time

[01:26:40] talking about how Scott Powell

[01:26:42] makes a convincing case

[01:26:44] on how to reduce expenses

[01:26:46] and how to increase income

[01:26:48] to get to the point where I have

[01:26:50] something that even looks like a balanced

[01:26:52] budget and yet of course

[01:26:54] there is little interest

[01:26:56] on the part of most individuals

[01:26:58] that are in Congress

[01:27:00] but as I've said before

[01:27:02] even though this may seem radical

[01:27:04] if you want to have a country

[01:27:06] where you have children and grandchildren

[01:27:08] as candidates who are asking

[01:27:10] for your vote you need to ask them

[01:27:12] what they're going to do

[01:27:14] to try to get our financial

[01:27:16] state and our financial nation

[01:27:18] in order I think it's a reasonable

[01:27:20] request to ask of them

[01:27:22] before you cast your vote

[01:27:24] what they really plan to do in the future

[01:27:26] or whether we're just going to

[01:27:28] simply kick the can down the road

[01:27:30] as we've done so often

[01:27:32] well tomorrow we have Nancy French with us

[01:27:34] and I'm going to be Dan and Fel sir

[01:27:36] I think you will appreciate that

[01:27:38] of course fair amount of controversy

[01:27:40] associated with some of the things

[01:27:42] we're going to be talking about

[01:27:44] but that's what we do here on Point of View

[01:27:46] want to thank Megan for

[01:27:48] help engineering the program

[01:27:50] Steve thank you for reducing the program

[01:27:52] see you tomorrow back here

[01:27:54] on Point of View

[01:28:04] this preacher Charles Spurgeon

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