McAfee's AI "deepfake detector" to help you spot fake videos? Google has started rolling out its new Essentials app for Windows PCs, promising "streamlined productivity"? However, Windows 11 users beware: the latest update, B5041585, is causing major issues for some PCs, though uninstalling might expose you to security risks. We also discuss the potential future of easier updates with hotpatching and Microsoft's plans to retire the "Control Panel" in Windows.
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[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Jay Harris is with me.
[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, sir.
[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Howdy, Sam.
[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: How's it going?
[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, last episode I mentioned I was going to talk about a ton of different things because I had
[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: a bunch of bullet points of different stories I wanted to talk about and then we got into
[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: this discussion about how you know, X was shutdown in Brazil and this guy got arrested
[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: in France and people are sick of it and Windows is just locking everybody down and doing
[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: all these things so people are moving more towards Linux and Linux OS market share with the
[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: user.
[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a great episode but I missed a lot of what I intended to talk about, but it was worth
[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it because I really think that we've pointed out some uniqueness about the United States
[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: of America that I hope we can hold on to and I hope we can be a beacon to the rest of
[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the world is really whack kind of highlight this.
[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Settyside politics.
[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: This is about technology and I would love technology to advance everyone everywhere
[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: all the time and blessed people's lives from plumbing to hot water to electricity.
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could keep going on.
[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit of a problem.
[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The technological advances have been an absolute incredible blessing to say the least,
[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but Jay now this is interesting.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: My Kathy is releasing a new product.
[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't heard about those guys in a while.
[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Back a few years ago.
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: My Kathy and my Kathy and whatever.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They have what's called an AI-deep fake detector and it will tell you if that video is fake.
[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And they plan to install it on your computer and then also, it'll just run in the background,
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Jay.
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you start watching a video, it'll come up and tell you if it's fake when it pops
[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: up and you're like, hey, it seems likely fake or not.
[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The debate comes down to how well it's going to work if it calls,
[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: fakes that are really fake or if it calls truth, fake or fake truth or what it,
[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway, we'll see but it's kind of the first four A into this that I've seen.
[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: As far as I understand, they're going to start out with certain HP computers being sold.
[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to make it available.
[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a test thing and if it goes well, they're going to roll it out.
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And I find it, I don't know, a lot of things I find.
[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I find that intriguing number one because I'm a tech guy.
[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, really, everything is going to be able to instantly tell us something's fake.
[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I doubt it.
[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a cat and mouse game.
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea that we are slowly but surely needing more and more and more.
[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you want to call monitoring of our computers.
[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see if something's a virus or not.
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So I got to have a virus detector.
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see if something's going to have a malware.
[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So I got to have a malware detector.
[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see if something's going to, you know, have ransomware.
[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So I got to have ransomware detector.
[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I got to have deep fake detector running in the background and I got a monitor all the.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: At some point I'm just kind of thinking, can I use my computer please pretty soon?
[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll have to install a free speech detector on your computer just to make sure that you're.
[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, make sure that it's okay.
[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So that that's actually kind of my worry about this.
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to have this divide or software installed on your program that's going to be
[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: monitoring every video that you want.
[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And to tell you whether it's, I don't know.
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just for deep thanks, they'll never, you'll never pass one.
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You're worried.
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It's only for the case.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, of course.
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: See this is a point though.
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like number one though if you take up my CPU cycles to just protect me from everything
[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to the point where at some point when I get it, but at the same time, I kind of think,
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and if you're watching my videos, you're watching my email, you're watching frantic virus,
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: malware, and spyware, and this, that, and the other.
[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: What you're really doing though, and we brought this up last episode about Windows.
[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if they, Windows promotes ads, it's not malware.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not ad way.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So they say, because Windows is doing it, because they're in.
[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're the white list guys.
[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you know, yeah, but the black list about the black list, you know,
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: ad where no, no, you gotta have a list and stop that.
[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what there's whole things for.
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: What we're really doing is choosing winners and losers oftentimes.
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And what we're really doing is fitting so many cycles of my computer
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: on detecting things to where I can't really work on my computer hardly these days,
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but come on.
[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Maca fee and Norton, they lost my trust a long time ago when they turned into just
[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: bloatware software that was on people's computers.
[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm serious, specifically targeting people like my grandmother, right?
[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Who would just buy this thing?
[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not laughing, I'm not just a bogb of them.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you're all of us on install, right?
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it seems like, but, you know, they target these people who don't know better
[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're buying, you know, these yearly annual services.
[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so these are not, they lost my trust a long time ago both of these companies.
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know we haven't heard much from Maca fee ever since, you know, John passed away
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and all his crazy antics, but I would steer clear of it personally.
[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be angry.
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There's two any problems, two minutes.
[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He's the real thing.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They know, hold on, they know you and I are that way.
[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they know they've created this.
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And so instead of trying to like fix it and do it right and be like, hey man, let's create
[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: thin, tight killer code and prove these guys wrong.
[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And the next version is like incredible.
[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And we gain them back as supporters, which is what they really should do to I T guys
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like me and you.
[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree, because put on a problem with them.
[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody can come back and pay you.
[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they could be open and check what they're doing now.
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what they're doing now though, Jay, they're installing it on.
[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I told you, first HP computers, it's going to roll out slowly but events are they're going
[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure it's like kind of back door, you're going to buy a computer and it's going to be
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: bundled where bundled, blow, where.
[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks Matt.
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're known for.
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're known for.
[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we hate them.
[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So now they're just doing this and here's the next thing though, Jay, if we're going to control
[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: things which is what you know last episode, we discussed this in detail as well.
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to keep up with this thing but I really want people to understand.
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What's going to happen when they say you can't turn it into a solid Jay?
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They better not do that.
[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: What's going to happen is that computer's going to go in the trash or take it back
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to best buy or wherever you bought it from.
[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It is as long as we have traces.
[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you saw that when does that come to you?
[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could not install things and you couldn't you can only install
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: books from the Microsoft store and what was what was that called?
[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Windows starter and Windows S.
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They just called a Windows S.
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It was see they will.
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's for the user or starter or whatever you wanted to be with is Windows S are stupid.
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a stupid.
[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean to be rude but look who uses Windows starter.
[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know anybody that has it for any reason.
[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it kind of failed.
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean you never.
[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It failed for the very reasons you're pointing out.
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah because people would buy a computer like this and they can do anything with it.
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, say you wanted to install gold waiver.
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost any app that isn't necessarily in the Windows store.
[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You just couldn't do it or you could only install the Windows store version,
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: which can also be problematic.
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine you're like Google and yeah,
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: or like Apple and there some of their clothes, you know,
[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: what's that Google OS called what's that thing?
[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Chrome.
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Chromium.
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Chrome.
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard for me.
[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Chromebooks.
[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You got this browser and then you got this.
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it has one's half the name of another.
[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's typical Google stuff.
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They're following kind of Microsoft's pet.
[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like the bigger the company gets the more stupid they get the the last day.
[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It was designed by the community.
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all you can do.
[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just got to stop.
[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just telling you name it something entirely different.
[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So even guys like me can remember.
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But here's the reason they bring up Google.
[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They got a new plan for you too, Jay.
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: They're rolling stuff out.
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Ready?
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.
[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Google, well, it's not sweet.
[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They have the Google suite, but that's different.
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not sweet either.
[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Google begins rolling out quote, new essential.
[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's called the Ascemples app for Windows PCs.
[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want Google Essentials, Jay?
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting on the edge of my seat.
[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Lord of Google.
[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it'll be the core component that will then make it easy for you to install or uninstall.
[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one good old to rule in the morning.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Any Windows product you want?
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So think of it as kind of like a,
[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it sounds like a Google store actually.
[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a Play Store.
[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a Google store, but it's kind of like a,
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: we're just going to help easily help you get what you want from Google and anything else.
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But how do they know that?
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You can like add or move programs for Windows,
[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: but Google that you install voluntarily.
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see these solutions all the time where people
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: are like, hey, here's a bundle of software and it's everything that you'll want.
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But how do you know what I want?
[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I want different from what Sam wants.
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're pretty similar people.
[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, you want exactly what I want, Jay.
[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that right?
[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sir.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I should have known better.
[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't know.
[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: No, think about that.
[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You and I are a lot alike.
[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And we like a lot of the same things.
[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But we have different needs based on the work that we have different purposes for things.
[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And different focus.
[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you work in consulting in areas of the deal of software that I don't deal with.
[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And vice versa, right?
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have tools that you need like a screen reader and things that I would,
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: why would I want on my computer.
[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just close your eyes and compute.
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll want it for yourself.
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually no, it's ridiculous.
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole point though.
[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: This competing environment shouldn't be about locking me down and controlling me
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and deciding what I do and what I want when I don't want.
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so anyway, I'm not really for this Google new essential thing.
[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I get that is going to make it easier for people to get.
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you get a new computer, I got to do is go get this Google essential thing.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can quickly just say, hey, I want this, this, this, this Google and hit a button.
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But boom, well, Googleized.
[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't have been essential at the beginning of the list where all this stuff you want
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to uninstall from your computer that you don't want like Microsoft people and Microsoft teams
[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and this one though, and then install Microsoft stuff though gets sued.
[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're probably right.
[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But see, that's the matter of the people.
[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to uninstall that right from the beginning.
[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And so here's the deal.
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: When I find fascinating about this whole thing though,
[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: as Google says, that it's going to let you control what you want and what you don't want.
[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But how will it be until it's like what you install this thing?
[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can add Google products.
[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You can upgrade Google products.
[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And this has really started with a lot of the hardware manufacturers.
[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Jay, printer companies would do this.
[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It'll just say you would install this, you wanted to install just your printer driver.
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they would install this whole thing that you print in there.
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And there are 200 megs right?
[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You to install it.
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Or gang, it's even getting into that with some of them because now they have a thing to scan
[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and a thing to this and a thing to that.
[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, by the way, you need a PDF whatever and something along with it to make your life easier.
[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, if they bundle these tools with our printer driver, then we can get a kick back on the
[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: other side of the discussion for money.
[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, reading them telling me this is this Google app might even start out with well
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: intent, but I'm telling you it's going to go all south.
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, write it down.
[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Remember who told you everyone is going to hate it, hate it, hate it.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why?
[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Google drops half the products they launch.
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Google Wave.
[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But else from Google to the other, you just support our SS feeds now they don't.
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Google hates our SS feeds.
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know why, but they do.
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so I found that interesting.
[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So look out for the Google Essentials app.
[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I use Chrome.
[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the web browser out there.
[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the good about it?
[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they got to have some kind of what's the good to be like, what do we know
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: what the apps are that are going to be on it?
[00:11:39] Yeah.
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a list of the apps that are going to be on it.
[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to add more and more and more, but it's like all things Google.
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And so for whole idea that is if you install this thing, it's easy for you to not only
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: install anything that you need from Google that you want without going to hunt it down.
[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it can also up great things for you.
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So like those printer driver things will do that.
[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, you know, you have a great year printer driver and update for this or
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that or whatever, and we'll make sure that it stays up the date for you.
[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, in the public and stuff.
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there are more people to do this in the past.
[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I probably did have some things that were Google installed.
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember having Google photos.
[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they did away with that app and made it only web only.
[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've had Google Drive before.
[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I still use the drive, but I don't use the software that installs on your computer
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: to do it.
[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what are they installing?
[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that would be Google.
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they're pushing everybody into web centric browser based.
[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need anything installed on your computer.
[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't see the point of that.
[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems a little backwards.
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree 100%.
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just telling that's what they're rolling out.
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So get ready for it and watch for it and install it as soon as you get it or make sure you
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: don't install it as kind of the reason that I'm reaching out.
[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Check it out.
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, latest Windows update cripples PCs.
[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Ouch.
[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They say here's what the new of your effect did.
[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They go into this big, long thing and what it does is it matches that at your CPU
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: at 100% day.
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm, that sounds delightful.
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That means the raises my power ability.
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They say they say well.
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And they say this problem started just as soon as the update installed this morning.
[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It installs a Bitcoin minor in the background to make them extra money.
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And they say, um, any slightly heavy application such as Adobe Photoshop, Adobe
[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: C.O.Blow and Internet Explorer of Warcraft, and all these kind of things.
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They keep crashing and the reason they crash is because it runs out of memory and it runs
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: out of CPU like boom.
[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And so people don't install it though because it has a lot of security patches.
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Jay, this cumulative update patches several security vulnerabilities.
[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And they release the patch for the patch yet.
[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you why.
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they say several different updates recently have been doing this to certain machines.
[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not across the map.
[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: They've had bad luck with updates lately.
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not just crowds strike, but I, they've a lot of updates of causing problems.
[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And we had one, well, this is a little while ago, but um, where if it whenever you'd
[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: go to print on a Kiosayer printer, it would just completely reboot your computer instantly,
[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like Blue Screen and Death reboot.
[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and that affected, you know, pharmacy that.
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, come on.
[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like not good.
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So that I don't know, are they not by the beta testing these updates before they roll
[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: them out or how is that?
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to me, I think more and more computers that are different out in the wild.
[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So you got AMD, you got PC.
[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot to do all these drivers and monitor.
[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot to deal with.
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: In my mind though, and this is kind of the problem that I had with that, what was that big
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: meltdown?
[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The crowd strike thing.
[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Crowd strike.
[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, reminds me of that.
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you test like a small segment first?
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, create a few partner companies like I don't know IBM or something.
[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're supposed to have to start off with the Microsoft in-
[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But not doing it.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people don't want to be in sighters anymore.
[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you as they need to roll this outside slowly.
[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're not.
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I am a little bit.
[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm always on the lead.
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not excited, but you're an insider because everything you boot up is Microsoft.
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It is my iPhones and I'm using that more than.
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And people are starting to use phones more and more.
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was talking to my wife yesterday about something and I'm like,
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, are you going to do this on your computer?
[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, no, and I'm like, why not?
[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, cause, don't you realize that everybody uses their phones for things
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: now not computers?
[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, yeah, to get to touch on something stupid.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you can't do it.
[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you got to get your little screen, L.A., so you can get your computer out.
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can actually do something for a change, right?
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're like you're in a space suit when you're using the computer trying to get work
[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: or I mean, that's cell phone trying to get worked done.
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't deny that cell phones are getting more powerful.
[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't deny that more and more websites are adapting things to mobile and, you know,
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: dealing with the small screen.
[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't deny that people are being very creative of how they navigate those small
[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: screens to give you your portal wherever it needs to be to do more and more complex tasks.
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's great.
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's more portable and it's easy and I love it.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of times though, you're in the middle of a project and you don't really
[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: realize until you all have something to get stuck.
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I can't finish this thing.
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I see that all the time.
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I could just see the checkbox to decide I want to finish it's all I need
[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: or whatever, right?
[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or you just can't, the mobile version of a site doesn't serve up what you
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: need and it's just different and you can't get it done.
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta get on the computer.
[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I see this all the time.
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And vice versa.
[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I've actually now I'm seeing the opposite too though to be fair.
[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you a perfect example that I just saw a couple days ago.
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Subways website is horrible.
[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is the sandwich place, right?
[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a subway is horrible.
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So no doubt they're website.
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Not like subway.
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But their website is horrible.
[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Their web, their app has been horrible as well.
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But now the app works and the site doesn't and there's things that you can't do
[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: on the site.
[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're not giving equal development to both of them.
[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how but they seem to have the worst both app and online
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: site of any restaurant in the industry that I know right now.
[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a slam that's an encouragement because like I said, a love subway,
[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish they would step it up or I don't know the need of hired new developers or something.
[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the question, Jang.
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I realize that this development issues are problem and I think they're going to go
[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: wherever they're going to do studies and find out where people are using their,
[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: their deal and if most people are on the app,
[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: they're on smartphones that will get the development eventually.
[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: PCs will fall behind and that's my birthday.
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That will happen and that's going to be the case like it or dislike it.
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's reality.
[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But now they're saying this, well, windows 11 updates become a lot easier with hot
[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: patching.
[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So those of us who live in the server world is to say,
[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: hot patching has been around for a while and people understand you can install a bunch
[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of things you don't have to reboot the whole thing thing.
[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's good and it works for the most part relatively well.
[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But now they're starting to bring hot patches to the masses because they're just like,
[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't have all these computers reboot when I don't want them to unify
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: schedule a time.
[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It eventually forces me and does all this stuff.
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it does.
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So Microsoft didn't answer to that.
[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to bring hot patching to the masses.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's going to work?
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's just going to bring bugs out quicker.
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But people hate it.
[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: People hate having to, but I mean, I live,
[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: this isn't even patch Tuesday, right?
[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I came when I came out to the studio to do the radio program like computer
[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: as rebooted for some reason.
[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, to be fair, it could have been Adobe or something else.
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I know they were least enough.
[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They recently, but people hate that.
[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when they come in and they get into their workstation,
[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: they expect things to be the way they left them and everything's started from the beginning again.
[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I know why they're trying to go to this hot patching where you don't have
[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: to do a complete reboot for your system.
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But in the history, we just talked about this few minutes ago,
[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: their history of patching has not been the best in the last couple of months
[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: of years.
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I'm excited about hot patching yet Sam, are you?
[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's not because I don't think eventually it's a good idea
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because they don't think they do things right, J.
[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what they explain what I mean.
[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They keep upgrading the operating system and they keep changing things on the operating systems.
[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And every other operating system, it's been a pattern for literally like 20 years plus.
[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Every other operating system they release sucks.
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So 10 was great.
[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: 11 sucks.
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But you got to work them.
[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You got Windows 98 was great.
[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Me was horrible.
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: XP was great.
[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And so on.
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I bring this up because why don't they have, you know, change stop.
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's do operations stability.
[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's have what happened to Windows 10.
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The last operating system ever we were not going to do a Windows 11.
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to we're just going to make this one better from now on.
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That was literally they said that stuff.
[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And so to me, they changed things.
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need to change.
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I always get, you know, say a graphic refresh.
[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So it looks more pretty or it looks this and then people are like, oh, I hate that.
[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes too much CPU that they're like, yeah, you can click this button and not render
[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: all that beautiful.
[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You could go back to stupid mode if you want to.
[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron.
[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they change where things are all the time.
[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They move everything around and it just gets frustrating.
[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, they got these updates that cripple the PC.
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They got these patches that supposedly solve everything that's hot patching.
[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they say this.
[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Microsoft says it's going to get rid of the control panel.
[00:20:33] Okay.
[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've been trying to do that since Windows XP literally.
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's Windows Vista.
[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But now they say they're going to do it for real.
[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Jay is for real.
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: All they're going to do is mess it up.
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They've had to keep things over legacy because people are still using.
[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for example, you want to get cars.
[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Your network connections.
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You can still type in.
[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You can go to the control panel.
[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Get there.
[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You can still type in from the command line control space net connections and get to it.
[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they've got to have all these past because they're supporting legacy things.
[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's smart from the remove it or change it just what benefit are they getting from just here's the deal.
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They were on the panel and they want to move it to the easier to use more streamlined settings.
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The settings not easy.
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That are the more streamlined.
[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's worse.
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the problem.
[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference in the two?
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: One's got to name the other's got to name their different interfaces.
[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a paint job.
[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a graphical user interface.
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why change why don't you even be able to skin it however you want.
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because they've pulled the same command line under the hood.
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And you just proved it whether you go through settings or whether you go through control panel if you type in control space.
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it net connections all one way connections?
[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: All one word then boom you get there.
[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you'll well, but they went through the settings and you went through the control panel as the same.
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, why don't you do this merge the two quick playing games with names?
[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if you call it settings or control panel.
[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't care what, but what you need to do is stop moving everything everywhere.
[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: To where I don't even know how to find things anymore.
[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The reason J wants to pull up a command line and type in control space net connections is
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because he doesn't remember where to go on 15 different OS's with different places with different.
[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got the category view.
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you got the what's that other view called?
[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.
[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the opposite category is?
[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, like icons and then the menu got whatever view and you've got this.
[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And all J wants to do is get to the network connections people and adjust whatever he's trying to go there to do.
[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So that we can move along control net connections has worked since like Windows XP.
[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's worked for the last 25 years.
[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but when you're in control panel that will work day, a mayor may not because they I wouldn't be surprised that they still support the command line functions.
[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Even if they get get rid of the gooey control panel.
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to get rid of the gooey on the control panel, but keep the control panel functionality into the hood.
[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's complicated as much as possible.
[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's good.
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't mean to be critical.
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I use Microsoft products.
[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really a Microsoft insider or outsider.
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I try to be honest and fair and when they do something right, I commend them and when they do something wrong.
[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I have an issue.
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I recommend Microsoft products.
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're good.
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they serve a lot of purposes.
[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't mean to just be, you know, hey, Sam and your day job.
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You install Microsoft products and recommend them in your talk show.
[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You just trash them and I don't mean to do that.
[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I really mean to do though.
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a control.
[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a control.
[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Criticism, right?
[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my hope.
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my hope to complain about this is really for people like Microsoft to listen to their consultants.
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: To listen to people like me about what's going on and say, look, don't just try to get rid of the control panel.
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Why have you been trying to get rid of that thing for 20 years?
[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hiring new UI guys that just want to redesign everything and put there.
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even mind sometimes if you say, look, this looks like 20 years ago and we need
[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to upgrade it.
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I understand that but my biggest pet peevers don't move things around and don't get rid of
[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: things because when you get rid of things, you say you want to get rid of them, but all
[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to do is keep legacy support for them.
[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: No, they just hide it.
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like local accounts on Windows.
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You can still do it.
[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just hidden and you got to have all these command lines, short cut keys at the welcome
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: screen to bypass things.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Then it's like you got to put in the Kenobi code just to get to the screen.
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to get to instead, why do all that stuff?
[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Why not just keep it obvious?
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know they want Microsoft to count so they can track you.
[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just don't even know how to respond to all of it, man.
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we had to just rate pigs not being the tech.
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to solve Linux.
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We sure are at fact five percent of the population doing it and we're doing it two in a
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: way.
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes people are doing it and they don't realize they are.
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, network providers think that come for our sponsor npattek guys.com for the podcast.
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much.
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Make it a great tech day, will ya?