Cracking the Code: Pen Testing and the Cybertruck Conundrum

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[00:00:36] I've got Newman with me. Welcome, sir.

[00:00:39] Jay Harrison's in the mix too. Hello, my friends.

[00:00:43] Hey, if we get time, we're going to talk about that cyber disaster, Cybertruck deal.

[00:00:47] But before we get to that, we've got a very heavy topic we want to talk about.

[00:00:51] Pen tests. You say, what the heck is a pen test?

[00:00:54] When I was a kid, a pen test was can you write?

[00:00:56] But nowadays it's a little different, Newman.

[00:00:59] Yes, it is. It's not more of how can you touch your brain with a pen?

[00:01:03] But it's more of penetration testing and how your network will will succeed as well as the internals.

[00:01:11] The controls from that that you've set in place.

[00:01:15] And this has to do with firewalls.

[00:01:17] It has to do with rules in the firewalls.

[00:01:19] It has to do with open ports.

[00:01:20] It has to do with how your network is set up internally.

[00:01:23] If you have certain things that need to be isolated on certain intranets,

[00:01:28] if you've got internal websites for certain things that your employees use,

[00:01:32] it's all that stuff mixed together in a big test of understanding of, hey,

[00:01:35] how vulnerable you in every bit of these areas. Right.

[00:01:39] You're correct. And it's it's really there's a lot of levels.

[00:01:42] There's level one, two and three.

[00:01:44] But the first level is the surface level.

[00:01:47] It's a level one, J's level two, Newman's level three.

[00:01:51] That's right. That's right.

[00:01:54] Three, three is you have no life. You're just a geek.

[00:01:57] So I shouldn't have said Newman was level three then people.

[00:02:03] I actually live it.

[00:02:04] No, but really there is there is levels.

[00:02:06] And the reason that level is important is because, you know what?

[00:02:09] You don't need to take on level three right now.

[00:02:11] Just take on level one and work on it and then say, hey,

[00:02:14] now I'm ready to consider level two. Right.

[00:02:16] You're correct, because it entails a lot.

[00:02:19] And, you know, really a lot of people ask me, well,

[00:02:24] well, should I even do that?

[00:02:25] They go, well, you know what?

[00:02:27] Let me ask a couple of questions.

[00:02:29] Do you trust every employee that they have security training

[00:02:31] and they know what they're doing?

[00:02:34] Or are you under a regulation or compliance need?

[00:02:37] That's the reason why ultimately everyone should do it

[00:02:41] just so they know where their baseline is and what they need to work on.

[00:02:46] And remember, I don't believe most people are malicious.

[00:02:49] You know what? I'm not saying those people don't exist.

[00:02:51] They do. And you've got to guard against them.

[00:02:52] But really, you're what you're dealing with most of the time is people with the

[00:02:57] well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[00:02:59] Is that how they say it?

[00:03:00] What I mean by that is, you know, people don't really even mean the harm.

[00:03:03] They don't really realize the ramifications until it's too late.

[00:03:06] And it's simply an error of lack of knowledge more than anything else.

[00:03:11] It's a misstep.

[00:03:12] It's not intentional or evil or sinister or that kind of stuff.

[00:03:15] It's just humans are humans and they do goofy stuff.

[00:03:19] Newman, you know what I would say also for the admins out there,

[00:03:25] you know, you get pulled in so many directions.

[00:03:27] Do you remember what you changed last?

[00:03:30] Whereas like, for instance, one company we went to,

[00:03:33] we did a risk assessment and we found out that port 3389

[00:03:38] was open on a second firewall that they had totally forgot about.

[00:03:44] Now, the admin didn't know about that.

[00:03:47] Also, he didn't remember that he had disabled the antivirus on his machine

[00:03:51] to test something and never put it back.

[00:03:54] These are things where they can be checks and balances for everyone.

[00:03:57] And we're not we're not trying to go after the admin.

[00:04:00] We're just saying, hey, look, you know what?

[00:04:02] Run that more than you want.

[00:04:04] And you'll know that you've oh, goodness, I forgot I left the back door open

[00:04:10] and go ahead and give it more as a set, a second set of eyes for the admin.

[00:04:13] And how do I think of it? Right.

[00:04:15] It totally is.

[00:04:17] And, you know, in the the point is, is that everybody gets busy.

[00:04:22] We make changes to train. Oh, did that work?

[00:04:24] OK, I'm going to change it back later tonight.

[00:04:27] You have a lot of things that go on before that night and you forget

[00:04:32] and it stays open for months and months because nobody's ever checked it.

[00:04:38] How often do people need to run these pen tests at how complicated,

[00:04:41] how expensive gives the breakdown?

[00:04:43] So the beautiful part is, is there they usually run about 250 bucks

[00:04:49] for the level one.

[00:04:50] But right now, network providers is providing a special that for free

[00:04:55] a level one risk assessment pen test on your environment till June 30th.

[00:05:01] And what that'll do is we can run it and see where your baseline is.

[00:05:06] But most people should run a penetration test every six months.

[00:05:11] That would be the key.

[00:05:12] So it's a semi annual event.

[00:05:14] And then you basically put those documents in a file

[00:05:17] so that if you have to, you can even go back and say, look,

[00:05:20] we know the breach didn't happen because we did the test on this date.

[00:05:23] We know that it was after that date or whatever.

[00:05:25] It's a help to narrow things down and create accountability as well.

[00:05:29] It is it is a protection if you ever need to pull that kind of documentation

[00:05:33] out, right? Correct.

[00:05:35] And that's the key is the documentation of all changes.

[00:05:38] Even if you're a medium to large business, change management

[00:05:43] will love this pen test because this shows that, OK,

[00:05:47] the changes are in place.

[00:05:49] They're actually what they say they are.

[00:05:51] Oh, but we miss these two.

[00:05:53] So you can go back and make sure that change management is successful.

[00:05:58] Tell me the difference between level one, two and three.

[00:06:00] Is there kind of a general understanding that you can explain?

[00:06:02] Yes. Yeah.

[00:06:03] Level one is more of a scan of the machine environment

[00:06:09] and they're going to do an internal.

[00:06:11] And then we also have the external IPs that we scan.

[00:06:15] We look for two F a encryption and a virus.

[00:06:19] Level two is all the above, but it also includes backup

[00:06:23] and email because we all know that, you know, three sixty five.

[00:06:29] We need to audit it from time to time so we don't get the middleman

[00:06:33] attacks, things like that IP spoofing.

[00:06:36] Level three is all about where you go on.

[00:06:38] So think of level one as a baseline.

[00:06:40] Think of level two as everything level one has plus email, plus, etc.

[00:06:45] And then level three is even double plus right level.

[00:06:48] Three is even education policies, procedures

[00:06:52] and maybe a simulated attack to see how it goes.

[00:06:56] So that's the point we want you to understand, folks.

[00:06:59] I.T. now has developed to the point when I started out in I.T.,

[00:07:02] one guy could just handle all the I.T. needs for a company.

[00:07:05] It's not even close to true anymore.

[00:07:06] There's just too many disciplines, too much knowledge.

[00:07:09] Unless you do something every day, you can't know.

[00:07:11] But we've gone to the point where now what we do is instead of just

[00:07:13] running tests internally and say, oh, look, our tests show you're good.

[00:07:17] Or, you know, hey, you know, you got a strong encrypted password

[00:07:20] for your email or whatever.

[00:07:21] Now we're starting to do active things

[00:07:25] to not only test the networks and the systems and for security,

[00:07:29] but to test the people involved.

[00:07:30] So, for example, we can send out test emails.

[00:07:33] And if you click on it, we can say, you know what?

[00:07:36] Thank heavens this wasn't a real.

[00:07:40] Fishing scam.

[00:07:41] This is our test.

[00:07:43] You know what? We got you.

[00:07:44] You should not have clicked on that.

[00:07:45] And then we provide feedback and training and guidance

[00:07:48] so that people get smarter.

[00:07:50] Same thing with this level three for the pen test.

[00:07:53] We can literally do our best to simulate a penetration

[00:07:57] and see how the system acts. It's quite different.

[00:07:59] It's another level from just saying I ran some tests and everything looks good.

[00:08:03] It's actually active interaction about

[00:08:07] how your system responds to different things.

[00:08:09] And we can probe that and test it.

[00:08:11] And that's how the best in the business do it.

[00:08:12] Newman, that's correct.

[00:08:14] And really, ultimately, we're not we're not there to find the flaws

[00:08:19] and everything.

[00:08:19] We're there to run a risk assessment, a pen test

[00:08:22] and show the vulnerabilities so that you're protected.

[00:08:26] And maybe cyber insurance is a piece of this or your regulations.

[00:08:30] You need to get a baseline for regulations.

[00:08:33] This is a great way to do it.

[00:08:35] This pen test also we're actually throwing in

[00:08:39] something else that ties to this.

[00:08:41] And we're actually doing a dark web scan

[00:08:44] as part of this penetration test and risk assessment

[00:08:48] so that we can find out what's really on the dark web.

[00:08:51] Now, I want to explain the dark web a little bit,

[00:08:53] because I think people are confused.

[00:08:54] It's not a different place than the regular web.

[00:08:58] It's different in that

[00:09:02] there's different ways to access it or connect to it.

[00:09:05] So my point is it's not you know, you don't have to,

[00:09:08] you know, get a computer that can support the dark web or anything.

[00:09:10] It's not a different location.

[00:09:12] It's just merely different ways of accessing things on the regular web.

[00:09:15] But they become the dark web because it's kind of all underground.

[00:09:18] It's hard to know who's who.

[00:09:20] It's hard to know what's what.

[00:09:21] It's just like driving.

[00:09:22] Well, it's just like walking down an alley as opposed to walking

[00:09:25] down the normal streets of society, right?

[00:09:28] It really is.

[00:09:29] The dark web is a whole different place where things are bought and sold.

[00:09:34] Identities are bought and sold.

[00:09:37] It's just it's really dark.

[00:09:39] It's it's got a lot of nefarious type actions to it.

[00:09:43] Think about it as the back alleys of the Internet, right?

[00:09:45] It really is.

[00:09:46] It's it's like it's just the the sewers and, you know,

[00:09:50] the dark Batman type atmosphere.

[00:09:53] That's where that's where a lot of stuff goes on.

[00:09:56] And and people often, you know, treated as like in marketing,

[00:10:01] they put a hacker inside of a vault room and that it's even worse than that.

[00:10:06] I mean, it's just you you get some horrible stuff.

[00:10:10] And with that, whenever we do a dark web scan,

[00:10:14] we always find current passwords for customers on the dark web.

[00:10:19] And this is a reason why is because the biggest of companies get breached

[00:10:23] and hacked all the time.

[00:10:24] And you know what?

[00:10:25] It's impossible to stop it because it's not even you that got hacked.

[00:10:28] Correct.

[00:10:28] Whoever had your information that got hacked and they wholesale leak all this stuff.

[00:10:33] I even sometimes wonder if it's intentional

[00:10:35] part of some of these companies that happen so often.

[00:10:38] And that's what, you know, we have internal employees that leave to scramble.

[00:10:43] They also can, you know, sell off things.

[00:10:46] And a lot of times they do, especially at bigger companies,

[00:10:49] because they don't get caught,

[00:10:51] because they might have just been a bank teller or something else.

[00:10:53] And they get on the dark web, they sell, they make their money

[00:10:56] and then they move on.

[00:10:57] And ultimately, we find that

[00:11:01] we can also in this first risk assessment, this level one,

[00:11:05] we can crack the passwords on Windows

[00:11:08] and then provide just a hash of it so that they can see.

[00:11:12] And I'm not going to lie, 90 percent of the time

[00:11:17] people do passwords with the company name in them.

[00:11:22] Not good, not a plan, people get a strong password manager,

[00:11:27] make all your passwords unique to everything you do

[00:11:30] and make sure that you don't even know the password.

[00:11:33] OK, so you want that kind of zero trust component involved, right?

[00:11:36] Correct. And that's where this can come into play is we can also look at

[00:11:41] how many characters you have, how many are you doing,

[00:11:45] intruder lockouts, things like that.

[00:11:47] This is the baseline risk assessment to give you that.

[00:11:50] We've gone into companies where they had three characters minimum

[00:11:53] on their password and no intruder lockout.

[00:11:58] So we find it and then we want to help fix it or you can fix it.

[00:12:03] And, you know, sites are getting better at this.

[00:12:06] They're requiring two factor or multi factor authentication.

[00:12:09] They're starting to demand that you have longer passwords,

[00:12:11] that they have letters and numbers and mixed case

[00:12:14] and special characters and things like that.

[00:12:15] So we're getting better all the time, societally speaking.

[00:12:19] But you don't want to be the low hanging fruit.

[00:12:20] That's really the bottom line point that we're trying to make.

[00:12:22] Jay, do you have any follow up input or questions?

[00:12:25] Well, I was going to ask you when you do penetration testing

[00:12:27] and you've got these levels one, two, three,

[00:12:30] you're doing everything software wise.

[00:12:32] Do you guys ever handle any physical like security penetration

[00:12:36] testing locks, server rooms, things like that?

[00:12:38] Or is it all? Yes, that's actually that's part of the level three

[00:12:42] because we look at policies and procedures.

[00:12:45] And if you don't have locks on your server rooms,

[00:12:48] you don't have key access.

[00:12:49] You're not tracking the visitors that are coming into the environment.

[00:12:53] These are all things that we educate people on,

[00:12:55] because ultimately you've got not just ethical hacking,

[00:13:00] you have social engineering, things like that

[00:13:04] that can be put in place to test these policies.

[00:13:09] You also have pre texting where, believe it or not,

[00:13:11] it's not even a super high tech solution.

[00:13:13] It's just that I get on the phone with a girl and she gives me the password

[00:13:15] or she hey, I'm with the ID department.

[00:13:17] I need to do this and this for you.

[00:13:18] And she divulges this or that.

[00:13:19] And a lot of times it's just pre texting.

[00:13:21] Jay, it's super simple, but yet it becomes very elaborate

[00:13:24] and it's carrying out of the simplicity where they got the information.

[00:13:27] Then they do some real sinister stuff.

[00:13:29] But it was very simple how it all started out.

[00:13:31] Yeah, the social engineering.

[00:13:33] That's the hardest one, I think, to prevent.

[00:13:35] You know, you can have software and safeguards and physical access,

[00:13:39] but people are sometimes the weakest link as far as they're able

[00:13:42] to get duped by people.

[00:13:45] All right, if you want to get go ahead, Newman.

[00:13:47] Well, I was going to say you actually just put pictures of Hawaii

[00:13:51] on a CD with a program.

[00:13:54] They end up always taking that CD when we did it at one bank in New York.

[00:13:59] We ended up getting 45 machines inside of two hours.

[00:14:02] Oh, my gosh.

[00:14:04] Reminds me of people seeding a parking lot.

[00:14:06] I got a ticket for you, buddy.

[00:14:07] Yeah, remind people seeding a parking lot with thumb drives

[00:14:10] just to see who will pick them up and stick them in a machine

[00:14:13] to see what's on there.

[00:14:14] You're right.

[00:14:15] Thumb drives off eBay.

[00:14:16] What's more dangerous than that?

[00:14:18] I mean, yeah, I just don't get these people

[00:14:21] that are streaming and doing this.

[00:14:22] So amen to that.

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[00:15:03] All right. I want to wrap up this

[00:15:05] episode by talking about the cyber truck.

[00:15:09] Headline says cyber truck owners are not thrilled.

[00:15:13] Quote, what a nightmare.

[00:15:15] Tesla is getting slammed in the forums

[00:15:17] after they released their cyber truck.

[00:15:19] The truck is dead.

[00:15:21] I'm waiting for a tow truck.

[00:15:24] One customer writes, tried everything, restarted, did all this.

[00:15:27] That doesn't work now.

[00:15:28] Look, Elon Musk, you could have seen the writing on the wall with this.

[00:15:31] He he demonstrated the truck literally shattered a window

[00:15:34] that wasn't supposed to break.

[00:15:35] That's how it started out.

[00:15:37] Then he promised that they would be delivered at a certain time.

[00:15:39] It never was.

[00:15:40] Finally, they're rolling out the assembly line, but everybody says

[00:15:43] they're not what they hoped that be.

[00:15:45] How do I return this thing?

[00:15:46] How do I?

[00:15:47] And they're finding that people are ending up on the side of the road.

[00:15:50] If it's super cold or hot,

[00:15:53] the amount of charge they have was supposed to last a certain amount of miles.

[00:15:55] It's not.

[00:15:56] Then if you're towing something and it's cold or hot, just forget it.

[00:15:59] You can't even go anywhere.

[00:16:00] There's not enough.

[00:16:01] Even Tesla has more charging stations than anybody else,

[00:16:03] but it's not enough. People are getting stuck.

[00:16:06] The if these trucks have a problem or any of these

[00:16:10] EVs or electronic or electric vehicles or whatever you want to say.

[00:16:14] A lot of these are they're catching on fire.

[00:16:17] If they get flood, then their salt from the salt water

[00:16:20] that then eventually combusts and it they're too heavy for the roads.

[00:16:25] This is just a disaster.

[00:16:26] Jay, your thoughts, and then we'll go to Newman.

[00:16:28] You know, I I personally I don't own a cyber truck, so I can't say

[00:16:32] how good or bad they are.

[00:16:33] I've only can look at people's reviews.

[00:16:35] I love the concept, though.

[00:16:36] I love the idea of this hardened truck electric futuristic.

[00:16:41] I mean, I love the way the thing looks.

[00:16:42] A lot of it gets a lot of grief over that.

[00:16:45] So I'm kind of a fan, but I don't know.

[00:16:47] I mean, the reviews are coming in and people are having some problems with them.

[00:16:51] So it's a mixed bag.

[00:16:53] But I admire Elon Musk for he has an idea

[00:16:58] and he and he puts wheels on it, man.

[00:17:00] He makes it happen.

[00:17:01] And that's pretty interesting.

[00:17:03] I agree 100 percent.

[00:17:04] But how much of these things cost?

[00:17:06] Well, they're expensive, no doubt.

[00:17:08] I mean, you know, they were supposed to be 40 grand.

[00:17:10] Now the base model is about 60.

[00:17:13] You can get in, you know, the super model for like a hundred or a hundred thousand.

[00:17:17] But if I spend that kind of money, 40, 60, 100 on a vehicle,

[00:17:20] I don't want to be the guinea pig experiment.

[00:17:23] I know, but it's bleeding edge technology.

[00:17:26] You know, it is it is the cutting edge.

[00:17:28] And so you've got some of that, I think, when you're almost like an investor,

[00:17:31] if you're buying a cyber truck and like a capital, you know, venture capitalist,

[00:17:36] you you don't know if the thing is going to happen.

[00:17:38] It's brand new. There is no history on it.

[00:17:41] But I love the concept.

[00:17:42] I just got to say, you know, if there's if there's a fanboy on the show,

[00:17:45] if it is worth it, it'd be awesome.

[00:17:46] I would I believe that there should be just like perpetual motion energy to it.

[00:17:50] It'd be incredible. Right, Newman?

[00:17:52] I totally agree.

[00:17:53] I mean, and the thing is, I would have expected, you know, solar panels

[00:17:56] all across the vehicle, you know, to say you didn't have to be at

[00:18:00] so many fill up stations. Yeah.

[00:18:02] And so, you know, but it it really is.

[00:18:05] It's great technology.

[00:18:06] It's just it hasn't been tested like it should have.

[00:18:10] And, you know, it's funny problem with the progress

[00:18:12] in the technology or anything else.

[00:18:13] My problem is that they're mandating these things and people are being forced

[00:18:16] into these worlds where it's just not a reality.

[00:18:19] I mean, I got to get from A to B.

[00:18:21] That's what I need.

[00:18:21] And, you know, when I was a kid, it was like,

[00:18:23] can you afford a car that's reliable?

[00:18:25] Well, now you can you afford to buy a car that's what?

[00:18:28] Now it's not worth the dollars.

[00:18:30] It's not reliable.

[00:18:31] Yeah. People are not buying these like they thought they could mandate and do.

[00:18:36] And, you know, it's it's it's the fact that like

[00:18:40] watch the YouTube of people that try to run through a puddle.

[00:18:44] And now they're Tesla trucks completely fried and.

[00:18:47] Oh, no. It all based upon one that I saw was a sensor in the fender

[00:18:52] that was under the fender sealed up, got water in it

[00:18:56] and fried the rest of the truck.

[00:18:58] So it's kind of it needs a little bit more usability testing.

[00:19:05] It's got to be tougher.

[00:19:06] Anyway, I don't mean to mock it, and I don't mean to make fun

[00:19:08] of anybody who's bought one of these.

[00:19:10] And I don't I don't mean to be flippant like that.

[00:19:12] I laugh a little bit because, you know, again, it's the

[00:19:16] it's the big showmanship up front where this thing is incredible.

[00:19:20] You've got to get one.

[00:19:21] It's 40 grand.

[00:19:22] And look, the windows won't even shatter.

[00:19:23] And then the windows shatter and it's not 40 grand.

[00:19:25] The now it doesn't run.

[00:19:26] And it's just like, man, I don't mean to be rude,

[00:19:28] but why don't we do a little bit more testing before we do that?

[00:19:31] Quote marketing.

[00:19:32] I'm just thinking.

[00:19:33] And it's not the testing that YouTube did

[00:19:36] where a lot of the one got the Cybertruck went out with a 50 cal

[00:19:40] and started shooting the doors and everything.

[00:19:42] Now, I'll drive one of those around that have the bullets in the doors.

[00:19:46] I kind of think that's cool, but that is way cool.

[00:19:50] But yeah, I mean, testing, though, day to day, like get the CEO

[00:19:54] and put him in California like San Francisco or something or whatever, L.A.

[00:19:58] And say, you know what?

[00:19:59] I need you to drive to New York in this bad boy and just drive.

[00:20:02] Don't do something crazy.

[00:20:03] We don't need, you know, to do the Ram tough whatever test.

[00:20:07] We just need to like do mere mortal driving tests.

[00:20:10] Hey, when it's cold, does it work?

[00:20:11] I drove it in winter. I drove it in summer.

[00:20:13] It worked great every time.

[00:20:14] I even towed my trailer and it worked great.

[00:20:16] Those kind of basic.

[00:20:18] We talked about baselines and our testing.

[00:20:20] What about baselines in this?

[00:20:22] It's like I want the thing to run and get me to be.

[00:20:24] Well, we'll do the fancy testing and the cool marketing whatever later.

[00:20:29] Right. But they didn't do that stuff is the problem.

[00:20:32] And the reason I bring this up now is I want you to compare that

[00:20:34] to your own internal I.T. at your company.

[00:20:37] Do the basics, do the testing, do the reality checks.

[00:20:41] And that's what we're here to help make happen.

[00:20:42] Newman, are you headed for an electronic fire in your vehicle

[00:20:47] or your network?

[00:20:48] I mean, these are things that we need to check

[00:20:51] and we need to know before it happens.

[00:20:55] Yeah, it's like the country song, you know, your truck catch on fire.

[00:20:58] I'd rather roll it down a hill than I would rather have a coupe de Ville.

[00:21:01] Right. So I've got to have the truck.

[00:21:04] Jay wants one of those cyber trucks.

[00:21:06] He's waiting for one used, aren't you?

[00:21:07] Jay? Yeah, I haven't seen them on the used market yet.

[00:21:10] So yeah.

[00:21:11] Yeah. When you get a used one, it won't have a good battery, though.

[00:21:13] That's the no.

[00:21:14] And then the battery will cost just as much as the vehicle.

[00:21:16] No, because if somebody loves it, they probably aren't going to sell it.

[00:21:19] Right. Maybe so.

[00:21:22] Anyway, I hope they get their act together,

[00:21:23] because I do agree that it's very cool technology to keep an eye on,

[00:21:26] to watch, to learn about and eventually hopefully it can roll down

[00:21:29] the road.

[00:21:30] I mean, I'm not saying that

[00:21:31] the torque enumer is incredible, the power that they have is incredible.

[00:21:34] They're even talking about the semis.

[00:21:37] Now, I don't know how well that's going to go.

[00:21:39] But yeah, there are other companies like Edison that's trying to do

[00:21:42] EV semis and but I love to see the innovation.

[00:21:45] And, you know, as a technology show and as a technology person,

[00:21:49] I'm always looking forward to that stuff.

[00:21:51] And we know that a lot of it doesn't pan out.

[00:21:52] I mean, one of the things we've always said on the show

[00:21:55] is that we want to make sure that we're not just making

[00:21:57] something that's not going to pan out.

[00:21:59] I mean, one of the things we've always said on this show was

[00:22:00] you kind of avoided some of the stuff until it was really for market

[00:22:03] and really you could get your hands on it because there's so much things

[00:22:06] that turn out to just be vaporware.

[00:22:08] They never, you know, they talk about things

[00:22:10] and it never even makes it to market.

[00:22:12] So I care about anything with the truck.

[00:22:15] All I want to know is that the radio works, Newman.

[00:22:17] Come on. That's right.

[00:22:18] It does. Does it play?

[00:22:20] Does it have any type of, you know, Billy Idol or even,

[00:22:25] you know, Ozzy Osborne or tech tunes?

[00:22:27] You got to have tech to write your tech tunes.

[00:22:31] All right. Anyway, later, we want you to know that we are available

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[00:23:23] To do when it comes to things that happen,

[00:23:27] you know, fishing or, you know, your computer network or your computer.

[00:23:30] You know what? I'm at a cyber cafe or I'm here or there.

[00:23:33] I'm going to Starbucks or what?

[00:23:34] You know, hey, don't just connect to those networks and think it's all cool

[00:23:38] because, you know, you connect to too many things.

[00:23:40] You're a little too loose with your connectivity and it doesn't go well.

[00:23:43] You get all kinds of viruses and stuff like that.

[00:23:45] And so we want to make sure that you.

[00:23:48] Have enough knowledge to make sure you're not the low hanging fruit.

[00:23:50] It's always a risk reward analysis,

[00:23:52] but we're convinced that we can make sure that that you're in pretty good shape.

[00:23:56] And believe it or not, the 80 20 rule here works.

[00:23:59] You know, you get a little bit done.

[00:24:01] It takes you a lot further than you think it does.

[00:24:04] And even though you say, you know what?

[00:24:04] I don't have all of it done.

[00:24:06] A little bit goes quite far, Newman.

[00:24:09] It truly does.

[00:24:10] I appreciate this avenue of getting this information out to everybody.

[00:24:15] All right. Final thought, Jane.

[00:24:17] Now, I appreciate it.

[00:24:18] We look forward to seeing you guys next week.

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